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the zombies are able to recall and remember the events of the Chinese games just like how they could recall past games and victories with pvz great wall appearing in PVZ replanted with plants from PVZ2c appearing in the comics like peach for example(it is shown multiple times in post bfn comics that characters from different past games like heroes appear in them showing that they are events that happened in universe) making it consistent that these events of the Chinese games actually happened and are something canon with everything that isn't related to the story mode not being canon like evil Dave for an example.
Zomboss intelligent upgrades
heroes and boss upgrades
spawnables and pvz 2 era upgrades
agrees: @Ednaxel2 (agrees with zomboss stuff pvz great wall/journey to the west and will look at the other stuff later) Thanganimator (agrees with Edxanel) @FinePoint (agrees with Ednaxel views and seemly everything else besides pvz2c and the hero/boss characters being super genius in combat and strategies but agrees with extraordinary genuis for them in this range) @KingTempest (agrees with @Ednaxel2 and everything else)
disagrees: @Ednaxel2 (disagrees with pvz2c being canon) @KingTempest (disagrees with pvz 2 chinese being canon)
the zombies are able to recall and remember the events of the Chinese games just like how they could recall past games and victories with pvz great wall appearing in PVZ replanted with plants from PVZ2c appearing in the comics like peach for example(it is shown multiple times in post bfn comics that characters from different past games like heroes appear in them showing that they are events that happened in universe) making it consistent that these events of the Chinese games actually happened and are something canon with everything that isn't related to the story mode not being canon like evil Dave for an example.
Zomboss intelligent upgrades
he can make machines capable of stabilizing all of space-time in the Gnomeverse and other sentient machines he made like Steve can process over 40 quadrillions terra's of computations making them massively superior to most supercomputers in the world, literal time machines out of everything he could find in the period like literal tombs, cream that can manipulate probability to make whatever zomboss wants happen no matter what with him being comparable to dave in intelligent as zomboss has not just outsmarted dave multiple times(defeating him in gw1) but has also won against and killed him in the far future timeline with the two even thinking similar to each other at times with dave being capable of not creating two new languages, learning new languages but could create multiple inventions(usually from junk) ranging from gases that can control ur emotions, lawnmowers that mower sleepiness itself, to machines that can time travel and be fully sentient. He is even well knowledgeable in space-time relatively with dave being able to solve and figure out zomboss plans in seconds from even the smallest of clues(on top of calculating where each of zomboss machine parts went after they were send randomly across space-time itself) or figuring out the specific frequency that frogs have to burp at in Harmony to close his time portals with Dave also making machines capable of merging the whole entire multiverses together(dave merged all of the plants zombies and humans dreamworlds together ),creating an infinite amount of tall/wall-nuts and stabilizing all of space-time in the gnome verse(similar to zomboss) either in the time frame of a couple of minutes. with zomboss also upscaling his much more dumber zombie heroes who could create machines capable of warping reality an galaxy level extant.
Zomboss is a master of disguise able of quite easily masking himself or his zombies as regular humans to fit in or trick his enemies with him usually trying to trick his enemies into falling for his traps(like the plants and gnomes in the gw games) with zomboss using multiple different history war strategies or his own strategies as well as teaching his zombies in all branches of the military and he should be comparable to Dave who has who can can come up with genius plans on the fly/mid combat With zomboss also never playing fair and using anyway to win. He also is able to hold his own against Dave who is skilled in boxing and anti-karate with Dave own strategies themselves being so unpredictable that an machine that zomboss made to predict every possible move Dave and his plants could ever make with that has all of the information needed to do so ended up quite literally collapsing on itself within moments of even trying to understand Crazy dave with zomboss using many battle strategies from the shooter games letting his units take over plant bases like rose castle. with him usually trying to trick his enemies into believing they won to get a one up or using that trick them into falling for his trap with him usually remembering and learning from his mistakes so he makes his technology superior then their older counterparts. on top of him usually making his technology so easy to use to the point his own army can use it. zomboss also has a mastery of the of using all of zombots in combat even against other giant robots(like Dave's mechs for example) and is a skilled pilot in his Zombot Vulture Fighter with him being comparable to the plant/zombie heroes
plants like peashooter sunflower and wallnut regularly face off against zomboss in thyme events usually helping Dave or on their own defeating Zomboss (multiple times) with them not zomboss tricks nor his battle strategies making them comparable to him in intelligence/combat intelligence with the other hero plants/zombies being comparable to them in intelligent/combat with other plants have shown being able to speak english(and understand all of dave languages) to driving cars(even when lacking limbs) and being able to do humans on top of being way smarter than the zombies and having the capability to help dave create his machines or even outsmarting zomboss with their own disguises and competing trials made by the gnomes while also fighting them at the same time.
The plants can keep up with other plants skilled ninjas in martial arts(on top of being trained by them) with each plant in gw2 getting crazy Dave anti-karate training with them on multiple different occasions fighting and defeating zen sensei which is an martial artist master with him even having an army of karate zombies backing him up with the plants defeating multiple ninja zombies(in pvz heroes) with Bony Chog being boxers that Mastered Bonk Choyu Ninjits(which zombie heroes bosses or even regular zombies can fight) and the plants were also trained by Patrice who is skilled in over 252 different martials arts with some zombies(like the gargtanuar) are able to fight to even beat her(despite the fact she can beat dozens of zombies including gargtanuars in combat).
with plants like cactus having Academy training and being masters in disguise with other plants being silent skilled killers or learning/adapting to other plant strategies and on top of mastering the infinity mechs near instantly(while also using it for the first time without any training against the gnomes and zombies who zomboss trained after multiple battles with the gnomes in infinity time) while they also have been fighting against the undead ever since they were born and This isn’t even getting into the plants being rather experienced in war and peashooters having military experience against zombies that are trained with peashooters like Commando Pea who is referred as being the most skilled/experienced peashooter around making him superior to other plants like scooter that can hit buttons from across an whole entire city's via Ricocheting it off of walls/animals and experience in countering the plants fighting styles and even fighting against them for long periods of time like for example zomboss future self with his future army still being at war with the plants 1000 years into the future.
And the plants can also beat imps in hand to hand combat which on average are skilled in multiple different martial arts and other zombies that are known to be skilled swordsman and massively skilled zombies in the Air Force(in air raid) and ofc other skilled experience martial artists with foot soldier and his variants being trained in all parts of the military to counter plants or fight in environments like Antarctica and foot soldiers like general supremo winning a battle between the plants by himself via creating battle plans on spot in real time while fighting in war beating the smash which is an skilled experience wrestler including zombies that can predict the future and warn themselves of any possible move made by the plants.
With zombies like Super Brainz being fast thinkers with him beating rose by deflecting her goat spell back at her last second who is one of the strongest plant heroes with zomboss teaching his zombies strategies on how to fight and work as a team to cheating as much as possible with the zombies having great teamwork with zomboss making them train and learn on how to use the cats mechs on top of the zombies exploring the gnomeverse multiple times.
With them defeating the gnomes who are beings older than the earth which isn't surprising as the average gnome is older then infinity or the universe in general with their tech being beyond the plants and zombies understanding(including daves and zomboss's), to manipulating space-time. While also creating multiple creative yet hard puzzles and trials for the plants and zombies with them also being depicted as being smarter then dave and zomboss which the latter being super geniuses in their own rights.
with even regular zombies knowing how to spell and even resist their endless hunger for brains with ur average zombie being able to create whole entire villages or buildings on their own to heroes graduating from a superpower university and regular zombies graduating college usually coming up with their own ideas on spot on top of having great teamwork to even the trials made by said time gods to put the them to their limits on top of many different puzzles from moments of time(which the plants can do as well) without Zomboss help nor guidance.
added in that both the hero plants and zombies can keep up with/adapt to the bfn zombies fighting style who dave describes as being massively unpredictable even more then himself with dave as shown above in zomboss part being so unpredictable that machines made by the boss himself to predict every possible move Dave and his plants could ever make with all of the information needed to do so ended up quite literally destroying itself within moments of even trying to understand Crazy Dave after predicting over 40,000 things he possibly could have done added in literal seconds that should likely be superior to past machines zomboss made like steve who can process over 40 quadrillions terra's of computations(which he made to only to just baby sit and take care of the imps).
With said plants being able to adapt to any of Zomboss weapons with a nice example of this being peashooter adapting to being set on fire so fast to the point the heat doesn`t bother them and can rather use it to power themselves up with the variants being implied to just be plants which adapted to the environment or zomboss technology which the zombies could still beat via their skill and have shown the knowledge to use the environment to their advantage to either block attacks or gain weapons showing good situational awareness and adaptability.
its also shown that both the hero plants and zombies have shown to use their enemies' weaknesses against them taking advantage of it or placing bait to draw them out with them even changing their fighting styles to wear out their opponents to more easily defeat them via outlasting or further directly focusing on taking out the leader of their enemy groups instead of taking out their allies.
The plants can keep up with other plants skilled ninjas in martial arts(on top of being trained by them) with each plant in gw2 getting crazy Dave anti-karate training with them on multiple different occasions fighting and defeating zen sensei which is an martial artist master with him even having an army of karate zombies backing him up with the plants defeating multiple ninja zombies(in pvz heroes) with Bony Chog being boxers that Mastered Bonk Choyu Ninjits(which zombie heroes bosses or even regular zombies can fight) and the plants were also trained by Patrice who is skilled in over 252 different martials arts with some zombies(like the gargtanuar) are able to fight to even beat her(despite the fact she can beat dozens of zombies including gargtanuars in combat).
with plants like cactus having Academy training and being masters in disguise with other plants being silent skilled killers or learning/adapting to other plant strategies and on top of mastering the infinity mechs near instantly(while also using it for the first time without any training against the gnomes and zombies who zomboss trained after multiple battles with the gnomes in infinity time) while they also have been fighting against the undead ever since they were born and This isn’t even getting into the plants being rather experienced in war and peashooters having military experience against zombies that are trained with peashooters like Commando Pea who is referred as being the most skilled/experienced peashooter around making him superior to other plants like scooter that can hit buttons from across an whole entire city's via Ricocheting it off of walls/animals and experience in countering the plants fighting styles and even fighting against them for long periods of time like for example zomboss future self with his future army still being at war with the plants 1000 years into the future.
And the plants can also beat imps in hand to hand combat which on average are skilled in multiple different martial arts and other zombies that are known to be skilled swordsman and massively skilled zombies in the Air Force(in air raid) and ofc other skilled experience martial artists with foot soldier and his variants being trained in all parts of the military to counter plants or fight in environments like Antarctica and foot soldiers like general supremo winning a battle between the plants by himself via creating battle plans on spot in real time while fighting in war beating the smash which is an skilled experience wrestler including zombies that can predict the future and warn themselves of any possible move made by the plants.
With zombies like Super Brainz being fast thinkers with him beating rose by deflecting her goat spell back at her last second who is one of the strongest plant heroes with zomboss teaching his zombies strategies on how to fight and work as a team to cheating as much as possible with the zombies having great teamwork with zomboss making them train and learn on how to use the cats mechs on top of the zombies exploring the gnomeverse multiple times.
With them defeating the gnomes who are beings older than the earth which isn't surprising as the average gnome is older then infinity or the universe in general with their tech being beyond the plants and zombies understanding(including daves and zomboss's), to manipulating space-time. While also creating multiple creative yet hard puzzles and trials for the plants and zombies with them also being depicted as being smarter then dave and zomboss which the latter being super geniuses in their own rights.
with even regular zombies knowing how to spell and even resist their endless hunger for brains with ur average zombie being able to create whole entire villages or buildings on their own to heroes graduating from a superpower university and regular zombies graduating college usually coming up with their own ideas on spot on top of having great teamwork to even the trials made by said time gods to put the them to their limits on top of many different puzzles from moments of time(which the plants can do as well) without Zomboss help nor guidance.
added in that both the hero plants and zombies can keep up with/adapt to the bfn zombies fighting style who dave describes as being massively unpredictable even more then himself with dave as shown above in zomboss part being so unpredictable that machines made by the boss himself to predict every possible move Dave and his plants could ever make with all of the information needed to do so ended up quite literally destroying itself within moments of even trying to understand Crazy Dave after predicting over 40,000 things he possibly could have done added in literal seconds that should likely be superior to past machines zomboss made like steve who can process over 40 quadrillions terra's of computations(which he made to only to just baby sit and take care of the imps).
With said plants being able to adapt to any of Zomboss weapons with a nice example of this being peashooter adapting to being set on fire so fast to the point the heat doesn`t bother them and can rather use it to power themselves up with the variants being implied to just be plants which adapted to the environment or zomboss technology which the zombies could still beat via their skill and have shown the knowledge to use the environment to their advantage to either block attacks or gain weapons showing good situational awareness and adaptability.
its also shown that both the hero plants and zombies have shown to use their enemies' weaknesses against them taking advantage of it or placing bait to draw them out with them even changing their fighting styles to wear out their opponents to more easily defeat them via outlasting or further directly focusing on taking out the leader of their enemy groups instead of taking out their allies.
the plants and zombies should "gifted combat and intelligence(gained specifically average to above average) wise" downscale stuff above with brown coat being as intelligent as humans(if they pass college) with them being able to learn and be skilled in things like martial arts, using zomboss zombots, stealing equipment and using it to further their goals, using guns, pretending to be dead to gain knowledge on the enemy, making prefect human houses in seconds, spelling out words, creating their own civilizations or warning Zomboss of threats and telling him things they have seen with them also being teach by Zomboss letting them know how to dodge attacks trick enemies lay traps for them to even refusing to eat brains to help people which should be more evidence for these ratings.
agrees: @Ednaxel2 (agrees with zomboss stuff pvz great wall/journey to the west and will look at the other stuff later) Thanganimator (agrees with Edxanel) @FinePoint (agrees with Ednaxel views and seemly everything else besides pvz2c and the hero/boss characters being super genius in combat and strategies but agrees with extraordinary genuis for them in this range) @KingTempest (agrees with @Ednaxel2 and everything else)
disagrees: @Ednaxel2 (disagrees with pvz2c being canon) @KingTempest (disagrees with pvz 2 chinese being canon)
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