We don't want zombies on our lawn part 3

[OrangeFR]

lesson learned through what are ur opinions on the respawns being appliable for basic/boss characters

What's the evidence for that again? It seems fine for the bosses since Torchwood can respawn and he is both a boss and playable character, but I haven't seen evidence for basic troops.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

respawning applying to all of the plants/zombies (basic and bosses) and an addition to respawning:
It has shown multiple times in the comics and games that regular plants and zombies can respawn/randomly come back to life as for example potato mine and dandelions(that isn't a hero plant and rather an spawn able) can respawn from blowing themselves up(which dandelion treats as an usual thing she regularly does) with other spawn able's which are playable like wildflowers and tv heads who both are treated as being basic plants and zombies are also able to respawn(with one of their abilities quite literally being based around this) with other characters like major sweetie treating it as an in universe thing all the plants and zombies can do added in that basic zombies like Mr. Stubbins have came back from being eaten and digested by chomper further implying that this is rather just an in universe thing all of the plants/zombies can just do.

• immorality 4(low godly body and soul if respawning gets applied to the basic physiology): ghost pepper can respawn from blowing up despite her being an ghost with this being consistent with ghost zombies coming back from having their souls destroyed.
• layered 4 transmutation: it's implied by zomboss that if the zombies respawned while being turned into a goat by royal hypno shroom(who transmutation is permanent unless undone by eating specific candy) they would respawn back completely normal as their regular self.

What's the evidence for that again? It seems fine for the bosses since Torchwood can respawn and he is both a boss and playable character, but I haven't seen evidence for basic troops.

here

 

[Thanganimator]

Actually, I think the Power Mimicry of Plants should be removed.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Actually, I think the Power Mimicry of Plants should be removed.

it's shown that the plants can copy abilities/techniques of other variants or even completely different plants like peashooter gaining the party time from the party plants (despite the fact peashooter doesn't have a party variant with each of the party characters being completely different plant species compared to peashooter) and sunflower gaining vampire sunflower ability to drain the life force out of people she shoot to heal herself.

 

[OrangeFR]

here

Looks good then

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Thanganimator]

royal hypno-flower

• layered mind manipulation: for the same reasons as hypno shroom.
• layered 4 transmutation: for the reasons explained here.
• shield creation: in bfn her and sunflower queen create a force shield around themselves to protect themselves from attacks while charging up with hypno flower specifically leaving this shield on herself until she uses goat purge.

Yeah

• power nullification: hypno-flower can take away the zombie abilities after turning them into a goat or force them out of pure energy states to turn them into an goat.

Idl this is maybe power nullification or NPI [Incorporeality]

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Idl this is maybe power nullification or NPI [Incorporeality]

she specifically forces the scientist out of that state before turning him into an goat.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

This is just disease

the virus removes one memory's and then plain out kills them corrupting them into an undead so I think that counts as resistance to memory manipulation and corruption (as the zombie virus is also labeled as corruption on its profile) at least through i will remove the death manipulation stuff.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Thanganimator]

she specifically forces the scientist out of that state before turning him into an goat.

I mean, it could also be NPI.

 

[Imaginym]

What do you think about Information Type 2?

Currently neutral due to unfamiliarity on the basis & ability.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Currently neutral due to unfamiliarity on the basis & ability.

what are ur opinions on the other stuff so far (based off of ur knowledge and other members relies)

 

[Thanganimator]

Currently neutral due to unfamiliarity on the basis & ability.

Well, to explain, the Real World in PVZ is accepted as a separate universe that views the entire PVZ world as fiction; it also views the entire world as data on the screen. My point is that Looney Tunes also achieves this, with its Real World viewing the entire Looney Tunes world as data on a computer so i think it should be "possible".
Additionally: In this discussion, the data that makes up the world will be considered Information Type 2.

 

[Thanganimator]

Can anyone review the entire Gnomes section? I'm really too lazy to look through all of that.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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Can anyone review the entire Gnomes section? I'm really too lazy to look through all of that.

could u pls do this?

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[OrangeFR]

could u pls do this?

Yeah sure

 

[OrangeFR]

king Gnomus​

abilities

• immorality type 4(low godly) negation: all of the mystery portal modes is caused and done by king gnomus with this including him stopping the plants and zombies can respawning or reviving one other until the round is over.

good, maybe could also be resurrection negation but IDK

• further space-time/causality manipulation: should be comparable to the gnome targets can stop time with king gnomus being able to collapse the space-time continuum on itself in pvz in soil survivors/cat vs dinos and can revert it effects instantly resetting it and everything else back to normal.

Seems alright

• regeneration (low-mid to low-high) negation: king gnomus can stop the plants and zombies from regenerating in soil survivors and other mystery portal modes.

Works

• explosion manipulation: king gnomus in some gamer modes can make the plants and zombies randomly explode.
• gravity manipulation: king gnomus can decrease gravity making it low and increasing the knock back characters get from being hit.
• creation: king gnomus can give the plants/zombies infinite ammo.

this is good

• statistics reduction/amplification: king gnomus can increase the plants/zombies strength speed or decrease their durability to them being on hit.

yeah

• fourth wall awareness:king gnomus refers to himself as going aka, can challege the players and other gnomes acknowledge the players as playing as the plants/zombies.

It’s AFK, not AKA, otherwise good

• immorality type 2,3,6,7: the gnomes can still kill the zombies despite their listed immorality's above.

Should be combined with the immortality type 4 negation, I think

• cosmic awareness/further justication for precognition: king gnomus knew exactly when citron found all of his secrets(despite them being two different dimensions) with it being stated that he and the rest of the gnomes are always watching the plants/zombies or whenever the plants/zombies enter the gnomeverse and that the plants/zombies were after his chest of etenery despite them not knowing they even existed at the time.

Looks good

• self-sustain: the gnomes can survive in space and go a infinite time without eating,sleeping nor resting.

Should also be space survival if not already on the profile

resistances

• transmutation (layered 2): king gnomus similar to other bosses can't be turned into an goat by rose.

Looks good

• poison, radiation, acid, diseases, corruption: zombies are unable to infect the gnomes with their virus which erases the victim memorys turning them into an undead and they can survive attacks from the poison variants.

We don’t know if they can be infected or not, so this should probably be axed

• electricity manipulation: king gnomus can survive attacks from electric variants.
• existence erasure(history) and reality warping: king gnomus and his species live inside of the gnome verse(where space-time is completely destabilized) with time itself removing things from existence on the temporal level and distorting reality whenever time becomes destabilized with this distorting time to the point that moments stop following another making it nonsensical and super wacked-out with them being timeless beings immune to anything time related which is all consistent with escape though time effects.

Looks good

• information analysis/precognition: should be comparable to the bfn zombies fighting style being even more unpredictable than Dave strategies which are so unpredictable that a supercomputer brain(should likely be superior to past machines zomboss made like Steve who can process over 40 quadrillions terra's of computations that zomboss created to only to just baby sit and take care of the imps) created and filled with all knowledge on Dave/the plants to predict every possible move he could make literally collapse on itself trying to predict him added in that the gnomes could still know that the plants and zombies were still coming despite this.

I dunno if we can cross scale abilities like this without more justification, I say this gets removed

• status effects: plants and zombies status effects don't affect him.
• further justification for matter manipulation: citron emp peach doesn't affect him and only stuns the weaker gnomes for a bit.

Looks good

• life force absorption: The gnomes can’t die from and can still regenerate from vampire sunflower or sunflower and other bfn plants and zombies draining their life force.

This isn’t resistance because they are still healed by it.

Range upgrade: king gnomus should have interdimensional range due to him being able to use his powers interdimensional from completely different realms or space-times/dimensions.

Yeah, looks good.

I don’t wanna touch the dream stuff rn so just take this

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

We don’t know if they can be infected or not, so this should probably be axed

Zombies has shown to be able to infect anything ranging from humans to animals and what not so its more possible they are just immune to it which from an narrative standpoint makes sense as they are supposed to be the lords/gods of time.

I dunno if we can cross scale abilities like this without more justification, I say this gets removed

Its from being comparable to the bfn zombies/plants skill wise who are massively more unpredictable then crazy dave who was able to do that via being just too unpredictable.

This isn’t resistance because they are still healed by it.

Its more so from the fact that it can't kill them nor affects them much outside of destroying their body(which they can just regenerate from) compared to how it plainout murders the zombies.

 

[OrangeFR]

Zombies has shown to be able to infect anything ranging from humans to animals and what not so its more possible they are just immune to it which from an narrative standpoint makes sense as they are supposed to be the lords/gods of time.

We don’t see them attempting to infect gnomes, and we have no statements for it.

Its from being comparable to the bfn zombies/plants skill wise who are massively more unpredictable then crazy dave who was able to do that via being just too unpredictable.

I don’t think skill=being unpredictable

It’s more so from the fact that it can't kill them nor affects them much outside of destroying their body(which they can just regenerate from) compared to how it plainout murders the zombies.

Zombies still respawn tho just like the gnomes regen

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

We don’t see them attempting to infect gnomes, and we have no statements for it.

the zombies can in general infect things from just injuring them physically so super brainzs or tv head physically harming them with their punch's/smacks should qualify for this.

I don’t think skill=being unpredictable

being unpredictable can also scale in skill if ur fighting style is that unpredictable to the point that it makes super computer brains collapse on itself with the bfn zombies fighting style more unpredictable then crazy Dave strategy's which not just did that but dave in general has his own version of information analysis as he was also able to could accurately solve and figure out Zomboss' plans in seconds from even the smallest of clues then calculate where each of his machine parts went after they were send randomly across space-time itself

Zombies still respawn tho just like the gnomes regen

the zombies unlike the gnomes actually die and have to be either bought back to life or be resurrected by respawning while the gnomes never die and just regenerates back.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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i just seen this thread and as an genuine question should i rather change the plants and zombies newer justification to high godly and add the gnomes regen as high godly(due to them being able to respawn from wizards existance erasure)

as going based off of the thread i linked from the wiki standards a "smaller" potency of existence erasure wouldn't be able to affect a "bigger" one.

which would apply to this as the plants natural resistance to EE being at a historical potency, would ignore the layered/weaker status of the hax(existence erasure), thus forcing Wizards EE into a higher layer of potency, which the plants can respawn from, thus buffing it to high godly levels.(being history and informational type 2)?

 

[Thanganimator]

i just seen this thread and as an genuine question should i rather change the plants and zombies newer justification to high godly and add the gnomes regen as high godly(due to them being able to respawn from wizards existance erasure)

as going based off of the thread i linked from the wiki standards a "smaller" potency of existence erasure wouldn't be able to affect a "bigger" one.

which would apply to this as the plants natural resistance to EE being at a historical potency, would ignore the layered/weaker status of the hax(existence erasure), thus forcing Wizards EE into a higher layer of potency, which the plants can respawn from, thus buffing it to high godly levels.(being history and informational type 2)?

This is too controversial, especially since this CRT isn't finished yet and the staff hardly ever pay attention to this verse, so let's leave it for the future.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

This is too controversial, especially since this CRT isn't finished yet and the staff hardly ever pay attention to this verse, so let's leave it for the future.

Ok

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Breadbear83]

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Pretty sure "undying" and "ultra undying" zombies in pvz 2 (mainly zombosses, but probably also be cardio zombie, Z-Mech and Roman Caesar zombie) straight up negates shrinking violet size manipulation, with zomboss it happens that a lot of plants abilities don't work on his inventions, shrinking violet is the same

So they may have (maybe any zombies stronger than regular Gargantuars actually) have a "resistance to size manipulation" not limited one, if it's not limited one then it also shouldn't have the layers into it that you mentioned?

I think in pvz heroes shrinking violet can shrink cards that are based on zombosses of pvz2 but I don't think they are even the exact same invention

Prob I can quickly make a video for shrinking violet activating her ability in front of a zomboss (in Penny's pursuit or arena) that shows him negating the shrinking


Everything else seems fine, idk much about garden warfare era tho

Edit: here's the shark zomboss negating shrinking violet size manipulation:

Shrinking Violet cannot shrink a Zomboss

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[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Pretty sure "undying" and "ultra undying" zombies in pvz 2 (mainly zombosses, but probably also be cardio zombie, Z-Mech and Roman Caesar zombie) straight up negates shrinking violet size manipulation, with zomboss it happens that a lot of plants abilities don't work on his inventions, shrinking violet is the same

True(I kinda forgot)

So they may have (maybe any zombies stronger than regular Gargantuars actually) have a "resistance to size manipulation" not limited one, if it's not limited one then it also shouldn't have the layers into it that you mentioned?

Its layered as the stronger zombies can resist it shrinking weaker zombies into nothing who can resist it shrinking out zombies like imps or animals into nothing

I think in pvz heroes shrinking violet can shrink cards that are based on zombosses of pvz2 but I don't think they are even the exact same invention

They seem to upgraded versions with the zombot 1000 being an massively stronger versions of them still gets affected

Prob I can quickly make a video for shrinking violet activating her ability in front of a zomboss (in Penny's pursuit or arena) that shows him negating the shrinking


Everything else seems fine, idk much about garden warfare era tho

Edit: here's the shark zomboss negating shrinking violet size manipulation:

Shrinking Violet cannot shrink a Zomboss

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Thank you

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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[Thanganimator]

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[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Currently neutral due to unfamiliarity on the basis & ability.

Before I add in ur vote what is everything you do and dont accept with(as i know you are neutral on the infor 2 stuff)

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

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