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I really don’t wanna have to do this, but sometimes things need to be done.
Metroid as a verse currently has several Planet level feats, as well as a Small Star level one. However, after talking with others and examining all these feats myself, I don’t think they hold up that well, so let’s get into it.
The Super Power Bomb+Star Ice Beam
In the manga, Samus comes across Blast of the Seven Stars, who possesses Samus’s bomb capsule. Using it, he created a super power bomb that could blow up a planet, and as such it’s treated as if Samus can blow up planets with her basic power bomb. However, this bomb is a super power bomb; many times bigger than an average power bomb. In the past, some have written this off and stated regular power bombs could still downscale due to the nature of how “Super” weapons function in the series, namely how the Super Missiles are equal to 5 regular missiles, ergo the SPB is 5 regular power bombs. Unfortunately, the super weapon convention has only applied to one weapon, so it hardly qualifies as a universal standard. Moreover, the super prefix in Japanese for the Super Power Bomb is not the same as the Super Missile (Former is 超, latter is スーパー). Samus doesn’t even really tank the full blast of the bomb, and the character who did was immediately disintegrated. As such, this feat should not be used, as there’s no way to reliably gauge how strong a normal power bomb is compared to the super version.
On a similar note, the ice beam freezing a star also shouldn’t be counted, since the beam was amped by turning it into a full ice making facility, far larger than a standard ice beam, and when Samus got the beam back, it could barely hold back the sun’s temperature so her gunship could escape. So, the standard ice beam likely isn’t capable of the same feat as the ice facility based on showings.
Leviathans
So, I was told that Dark Samus has consumed three full-grown Leviathan cores at one point, but no source was given. If that could be provided, that would be extremely helpful.
Leviathans currently have a calc of their collision strength being planet level, and this has been used to scale to other characters because of Tallon Metroids tanking the impact. However, there’s no indication for how far away from the impact of the Leviathan, and surface area likely lowers the durability needed to survive such an impact immensely. And while one could bring up Samus destroying Leviathan cores in Prime 3, which would likely be as durable as the rest of the Leviathan, those Leviathans were not fully matured, and likely not as powerful, as the one scaled to Samus currently. As such, Samus scaling to full-grown Leviathans completely has little basis.
Dark Aether
Currently, Light Suit Samus is scaled to Dark Samus surviving the destruction/mass-energy conversion of Dark Aether, as well as fighting Emperor Ing amplified by the Light of Aether. However, like everything else, these are a little questionable.
Starting with Emperor Ing, he is indeed amped by the Light of Aether. However, there’s no indication that the portion he was using was the full power of Dark Aether, or even a significant fraction of it. His temporary log entry even stated that he is only siphoning it.
“Target is drawing energy from the unstable Energy Controller. Eliminating target's connection to the energy may be an effective strategy.”
Logbook entry
Bioscans indicate that this is the eldest, strongest Ing in the Horde, the alpha and the omega. It has absorbed enormous amounts of Phazon energy into its body, mutating itself in the process. Apparently this power is not enough for the creature, as it is now siphoning energy from the final Energy Controller.
To siphon is to drain away over time, and it also states in the log entry that the strategy is to outright cut off the connection the Emperor has to the light, stopping it from absorbing the energy further. As a result, there’s no way to tell how much of the energy the Emperor absorbed, and therefore no way to know if he scales to a significant portion of the Light of Aether’s power. Samus herself may have the Light Suit energized by the Light of Aether, but the same issue as Emperor Ing arises in that there’s no way to tell how much of the Light of Aether is powering Samus’s suit, since the Light is just energizing it, not absorbed completely into it.
Samus taking the Light of Aether into herself is likely not a feat either. She accomplished this with the use of the energy transfer module, a device specifically engineered to hold Aether’s light within it, akin to a chargeable battery pack. As such, Samus isn’t actually taking in any energy to herself, only into the module. And this makes sense, as Samus only is shown taking in planetary energy while holding the module (barring speedrun tech).
As for Dark Samus, what happened at the end of Prime 2 isn’t very clear, and it should not be automatically assumed Dark Samus survived the destruction of Dark Aether. Given how the scene is framed, it’s entirely possible Dark Samus’s particles were destroyed, and she simply regenerated using the Phazon within Aether’s atmosphere, a possibility even hinted on her profile with Low-Godly regen and the fact her essence was disrupted by Phazon before she dissipated. The vagueness of the event makes using this as a durability feat extremely sketchy.
Removing precog negation from Phazon
Simply put, the ability is exclusively from the North American Metroid Prime 1, and the lore was retconned by Nintendo to remove all references to the Chozo going beyond time and space, as well as the Hatchling lore with the precog negation not being in Trilogy. Since Trilogy retconned the only evidence for the ability, it should be removed, or maybe make a “North American” tab for DS to include it
Conclusion
Any 5-B non-self destruct rating, as well as Low 4-C and potentially High 6-A, may need to be scrapped for named important characters, unless evidence can be provided otherwise.
Metroid as a verse currently has several Planet level feats, as well as a Small Star level one. However, after talking with others and examining all these feats myself, I don’t think they hold up that well, so let’s get into it.
The Super Power Bomb+Star Ice Beam
In the manga, Samus comes across Blast of the Seven Stars, who possesses Samus’s bomb capsule. Using it, he created a super power bomb that could blow up a planet, and as such it’s treated as if Samus can blow up planets with her basic power bomb. However, this bomb is a super power bomb; many times bigger than an average power bomb. In the past, some have written this off and stated regular power bombs could still downscale due to the nature of how “Super” weapons function in the series, namely how the Super Missiles are equal to 5 regular missiles, ergo the SPB is 5 regular power bombs. Unfortunately, the super weapon convention has only applied to one weapon, so it hardly qualifies as a universal standard. Moreover, the super prefix in Japanese for the Super Power Bomb is not the same as the Super Missile (Former is 超, latter is スーパー). Samus doesn’t even really tank the full blast of the bomb, and the character who did was immediately disintegrated. As such, this feat should not be used, as there’s no way to reliably gauge how strong a normal power bomb is compared to the super version.
On a similar note, the ice beam freezing a star also shouldn’t be counted, since the beam was amped by turning it into a full ice making facility, far larger than a standard ice beam, and when Samus got the beam back, it could barely hold back the sun’s temperature so her gunship could escape. So, the standard ice beam likely isn’t capable of the same feat as the ice facility based on showings.
Leviathans
So, I was told that Dark Samus has consumed three full-grown Leviathan cores at one point, but no source was given. If that could be provided, that would be extremely helpful.
Leviathans currently have a calc of their collision strength being planet level, and this has been used to scale to other characters because of Tallon Metroids tanking the impact. However, there’s no indication for how far away from the impact of the Leviathan, and surface area likely lowers the durability needed to survive such an impact immensely. And while one could bring up Samus destroying Leviathan cores in Prime 3, which would likely be as durable as the rest of the Leviathan, those Leviathans were not fully matured, and likely not as powerful, as the one scaled to Samus currently. As such, Samus scaling to full-grown Leviathans completely has little basis.
Dark Aether
Currently, Light Suit Samus is scaled to Dark Samus surviving the destruction/mass-energy conversion of Dark Aether, as well as fighting Emperor Ing amplified by the Light of Aether. However, like everything else, these are a little questionable.
Starting with Emperor Ing, he is indeed amped by the Light of Aether. However, there’s no indication that the portion he was using was the full power of Dark Aether, or even a significant fraction of it. His temporary log entry even stated that he is only siphoning it.
“Target is drawing energy from the unstable Energy Controller. Eliminating target's connection to the energy may be an effective strategy.”
Logbook entry
Bioscans indicate that this is the eldest, strongest Ing in the Horde, the alpha and the omega. It has absorbed enormous amounts of Phazon energy into its body, mutating itself in the process. Apparently this power is not enough for the creature, as it is now siphoning energy from the final Energy Controller.
To siphon is to drain away over time, and it also states in the log entry that the strategy is to outright cut off the connection the Emperor has to the light, stopping it from absorbing the energy further. As a result, there’s no way to tell how much of the energy the Emperor absorbed, and therefore no way to know if he scales to a significant portion of the Light of Aether’s power. Samus herself may have the Light Suit energized by the Light of Aether, but the same issue as Emperor Ing arises in that there’s no way to tell how much of the Light of Aether is powering Samus’s suit, since the Light is just energizing it, not absorbed completely into it.
Samus taking the Light of Aether into herself is likely not a feat either. She accomplished this with the use of the energy transfer module, a device specifically engineered to hold Aether’s light within it, akin to a chargeable battery pack. As such, Samus isn’t actually taking in any energy to herself, only into the module. And this makes sense, as Samus only is shown taking in planetary energy while holding the module (barring speedrun tech).
As for Dark Samus, what happened at the end of Prime 2 isn’t very clear, and it should not be automatically assumed Dark Samus survived the destruction of Dark Aether. Given how the scene is framed, it’s entirely possible Dark Samus’s particles were destroyed, and she simply regenerated using the Phazon within Aether’s atmosphere, a possibility even hinted on her profile with Low-Godly regen and the fact her essence was disrupted by Phazon before she dissipated. The vagueness of the event makes using this as a durability feat extremely sketchy.
Removing precog negation from Phazon
Simply put, the ability is exclusively from the North American Metroid Prime 1, and the lore was retconned by Nintendo to remove all references to the Chozo going beyond time and space, as well as the Hatchling lore with the precog negation not being in Trilogy. Since Trilogy retconned the only evidence for the ability, it should be removed, or maybe make a “North American” tab for DS to include it
Conclusion
Any 5-B non-self destruct rating, as well as Low 4-C and potentially High 6-A, may need to be scrapped for named important characters, unless evidence can be provided otherwise.
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