- 256
- 72
Last edited:
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Predator Vs Arthur Morgan
- Thread starter MatterNerd
- Start date
- Status
Arkansalter2
He/Him- 8,182
- 2,638
Deadeye GGs.
Arkansalter2
He/Him- 8,182
- 2,638
Also you linked the species. Not like it matters since any predator is getting deadeye stomped.
- 14,996
- 10,332
you acting like deadeye is invincible
- 7,705
- 3,955
It isn't, but what does the Predator have that can counter it?
- 256
- 72
- Thread starter
- #6
probably with vanguard armor
- 256
- 72
- Thread starter
- #8
How Arthur will prevent his bullets from vaporizing (I haven't played rdr2 so I don't know much about dead eye)
Arkansalter2
He/Him- 8,182
- 2,638
His firearms easily penetrate steel doors and can also use dynamite.
- 7,705
- 3,955
Brother, read the god damn profile.
Dead Eye lets him shoot much faster akin to that of a machine gun, or he can just use shotguns.
Last edited:
Arkansalter2
He/Him- 8,182
- 2,638
higher with firearms (His firearms can easily penetrate thick steel doors
Straight from the profile lmfao.
- 7,705
- 3,955
"Vanguard Armor: Vanguards are high ranking predators that deign to assist only the most skilled of clans, wielding the Plasma Scythe. They wear heavy, durable blue and silvery armor that staves off light and medium assaults fairly well, however they do move slower than the rest of their much swifter clan brothers, such as the Brawler or Spear Master. They carry one of the most powerful weapons in the game: the Plasma Scythe, which kills anything it strikes in four hits maximum. What makes it different from the other armors is its unique defensive system; the Killscreen Generator. This generator emits unstable streams of dark plasma particles that vaporizes incoming enemy projectiles from sniper rounds to missiles. However, it can only vaporize so much mass per unit time, therefore, multi-projectile or/and rapid-fire weapons such as shotguns and machine guns can bypass this defense, energy-based attacks also bypass it."
Shots with Dead Eye can probably bypass that shit if he's rapid firing fast enough but normal shots with anything but a shotgun ain't getting past it.
Arkansalter2
He/Him- 8,182
- 2,638
Good ole "Do it again" method.
- 256
- 72
- Thread starter
- #14
his mask will analyze the explosives and when he warns him about the danger he will open the distance between them and use the plasma gun
" The Bio-Mask has many different systems that perform various tasks that aid in a hunt, such as predicting and anticipating strikes, calculating the trajectory for killshots, picking up brain waves to help alert the user for danger,[6] identifying a weapon and its ammunition"
- 7,705
- 3,955
Yeah, Pred only needs one hit to down Arthur but he can still harm it with his weapons.
- 256
- 72
- Thread starter
- #17
Damn it I didn't notice this
- 3,986
- 2,260
I think this match would be easier to call if a more specific Yautja was used? I'm honestly not sure if some of the stuff on the Predators page is even standard equipment
- 3,153
- 931
AP doesnt matter for the first half of the battle here, unless this is immediate close range with no weapons, Arthur rarely engages in a fist fight. If that is the scenario he does get stomped, but otherwise:
Dead Eye + stronger weapons and just straight up blasting gets the job done, especially with things like explosive rounds. He can shoot at least 14+ times in rapid succession from my own gameplays. Voting Arthur. I'm pretty confident in saying if he immediately went into dead eye for a bear, he'd do the same for some weird alien looking thing.
Dead Eye + stronger weapons and just straight up blasting gets the job done, especially with things like explosive rounds. He can shoot at least 14+ times in rapid succession from my own gameplays. Voting Arthur. I'm pretty confident in saying if he immediately went into dead eye for a bear, he'd do the same for some weird alien looking thing.
koopa3144
He/Him- 8,642
- 5,367
Afaik, his guns only upscale from his physical value, so they're still 62x weaker than the Predator and prob won't even be able to scratch their armor.
Ebihara
Any/All- 2,108
- 1,650
- 7,705
- 3,955
Pretty sure they're comparable to his explosives due to both having the higher rating.
koopa3144
He/Him- 8,642
- 5,367
I'm not knowledgeable on Arthur, but going by what the profile says, his firearms ain't compared to dynamite so I'm pretty sure they don't scale to each other.
- 3,153
- 931
A specific predator should be used, by the way, they all don't seem to have the same thing AFAIK.
I'm not sure on specific values, but explosive rounds can completely blow up and leave almost no traces of whatever part of the body Arthur shoots off, even the entire body, so it does significantly upscale, and thats just one shot from an explosive round. At least in game mechanics, you can shoot off 14 bullets before Dead Eye Runs out, and of course do it again outside of Dead Eye. Can Predator survive this? We know their shit ***** up if shot in rapid succession. One thing is for sure, due to Dead Eye Arthur will get the first shot.
If they can then this would probably just end up as a stomp match, yeah.
if you do some weird calc stacking shit, it takes two dynamite sticks to kill something that would take Arthur's gun about 10, so in that way, the guns can scale comparable to his dynamite, though, im not sure if that kind of scaling can be used.
I'm not sure on specific values, but explosive rounds can completely blow up and leave almost no traces of whatever part of the body Arthur shoots off, even the entire body, so it does significantly upscale, and thats just one shot from an explosive round. At least in game mechanics, you can shoot off 14 bullets before Dead Eye Runs out, and of course do it again outside of Dead Eye. Can Predator survive this? We know their shit ***** up if shot in rapid succession. One thing is for sure, due to Dead Eye Arthur will get the first shot.
If they can then this would probably just end up as a stomp match, yeah.
if you do some weird calc stacking shit, it takes two dynamite sticks to kill something that would take Arthur's gun about 10, so in that way, the guns can scale comparable to his dynamite, though, im not sure if that kind of scaling can be used.
- 256
- 72
- Thread starter
- #25
Arthur morgan's explosive bullets give him an advantage, but predators can use their acid bottles . He vaporized a pool of water and xenemorph corpse.
Dissolving Acid: Vials of an extremely corrosive blue dissolving liquid that the Predators’ use to eliminate evidence of aliens, powerful enough to evaporate a pool while disintegrating a Xenomorph and a human body. This can be used more offensively in the form of grenades filled with this liquid
If he uses it against Arthur, there is nothing Arthur can do.
Dissolving Acid: Vials of an extremely corrosive blue dissolving liquid that the Predators’ use to eliminate evidence of aliens, powerful enough to evaporate a pool while disintegrating a Xenomorph and a human body. This can be used more offensively in the form of grenades filled with this liquid
If he uses it against Arthur, there is nothing Arthur can do.
- 3,153
- 931
Again, which predator lol, or are we using this composite one.
Doesn't matter though.. Arthurs going to be the one shooting with his weapons first because of Dead-Eye. I don't see predator surviving upwards of 14+ explosive rounds, and even if they do they'd likely be extremely damaged and arthur can just start blasting again outside of dead-eye until they're dead. Arthur isn't missing with superhuman like precision of vital areas either.
Doesn't matter though.. Arthurs going to be the one shooting with his weapons first because of Dead-Eye. I don't see predator surviving upwards of 14+ explosive rounds, and even if they do they'd likely be extremely damaged and arthur can just start blasting again outside of dead-eye until they're dead. Arthur isn't missing with superhuman like precision of vital areas either.
- 256
- 72
- Thread starter
- #27
I don't know. It doesn't say which predators are on the profile but I think the predator page will need to be separated into keys.
- 3,986
- 2,260
Does the feral predator from Prey have a page, yet? perhaps that would be a solid matchup given the similar settings (although Prey takes place over 180 years before RDR2)
- 3,153
- 931
Gone through the existing profiles, I don't see any of them surviving Arthur's initial onslaught if he has his stronger weapons and is dual-wielding with explosive rounds. Who y'all voting for, anyway?
- 3,153
- 931
Stomps are matches where the opposing side doesn't have a win-con at all. The Predator has more win-cons, and a better arsenal in general, but Arthur is more likely to get his things off first. That and it's mostly due to Dead-Eyes time/speed stuff
- 3,153
- 931
Stomp Thread
A stomp thread is a VS thread where, for all intents and purposes, one of the characters is unreasonably outmatched by their opponent. Whether it is through a difference in statistics, abilities or even (in very rare cases) skill between the two parties, these matches are heavily one-sided and...
vsbattles.fandom.com
Examples of non-stomps:
- Both characters have several methods of winning. However, one character can reliably use/activate their winning move(s) first.
koopa3144
He/Him- 8,642
- 5,367
You said he always starts with Dead-Eye, so the Pred can't really do anything to get their wincons off.
- 3,153
- 931
Refer to the link above.
koopa3144
He/Him- 8,642
- 5,367
I'm saying that since Arthur is always gonna start with Dead-Eye, the Pred never has a chance to even try to pull off any of their wincons.
- 3,153
- 931
Just sounds like a decisive victory to me
"Unlike a match which is decisive in one character's favor, stomp matches very rarely leave any room for debate"
- Both characters have several methods of winning. However, one character can reliably use/activate their winning move(s) first.
- One character has more ways to win than the other, but the other character wins more times than not due to matchup specifics that allow/cause them to use their winning move(s) immediately.
Also, it can be argued an initial onslaught with the specifics Arthur needs can't kill immediately, so he has to do it a second time, so there is windows to argue for predator to win.
- 3,153
- 931
Also from the stomp thread page
Arthur's the one outmatched in most areas, funnily enough, a massive AP disadvantage, naturally slower without his abilities, no real combat-related hax, etc, the starting distance can mess him up depending on the range of predators stuff, etc. So yeah, he can just reliably get his best technique out there first
Arthur's the one outmatched in most areas, funnily enough, a massive AP disadvantage, naturally slower without his abilities, no real combat-related hax, etc, the starting distance can mess him up depending on the range of predators stuff, etc. So yeah, he can just reliably get his best technique out there first
koopa3144
He/Him- 8,642
- 5,367
The Preds number of wincons doesn't matter since they're never gonna get a chance to pull them of since Arthur just Dead-Eye GG's them. All of their wincons require actions that would take to long to pull off compared to Arthur using his thought-based ability to blitz them.
You've been arguing that explosive rounds downscale from Arthur's dynamite sticks, which are much stronger than the Pred (2847.52444 Kilojoules vs 120936.0575 joules) so Arthur's the one with the AP Advantage.
Speed is equalized, so both are the same in speed, or would be if Arthur didn't have a massive perception boost he can whip out whenever.
The Pred has only Tens of Meters of Range compared to Arthur's Hundreds of Meters, so the Pred can't even reach Arthur before he Dead-Eye GG's them.
- 7,705
- 3,955
Alien: Isolation - Pipe Bomb
vsbattles.fandom.com
koopa3144
He/Him- 8,642
- 5,367
Yeah, but going off what @Zenkaibattery1 is saying, Arthur's bullets downscale from his explosives, which are 2847.52444 Kilojoules vs the Preds 120936.0575 Joules/120.936058 Kilojoules, which is over the one-shot gap.Bruh, doesn't the Predator scale to this?Alien: Isolation - Pipe Bomb
- Status
Similar threads
