real quick dragon ball thing

[Nullflowerblush]

"Heaven is also stated to be as big as a universe multiple times. Hell is stated to be even bigger than Heaven, so that would mean it’s as a big as a universe too." is accepted as part of the canon cosmology, which is very evidently incorrect. Two of the three links cited include information from the handbook for Dragon Ball Z: The Anime Adventure Game, which was written without input from Shuiesha, Viz Media, Bird Studio, Toei Animation, or even FUNimation and based upon the Ocean Group dub of the TV anime; the first link includes information exclusive to the original TV anime continuity.

This information is invalid. Therefore, unless further proof is provided, the main canon's Heaven and Hell are no longer to be accepted as universal.

 

[NiniAtheist2005]

Agree

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I disagree, it is presented in Akira toriyama's canonical materials, you will have to make a CRT to unmask the entire databook.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Akira Toriyama didn't write any of this.

 

[Dalesean027]

I'd like to wait to see if anyone can bring up official evidence before just disagreeing

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

This would only make Hell not universal in size, Heaven won't be affected

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The information about Heaven being universal in size is exclusive to the anime.

 

[omegabronic]

i agree

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

The information about Heaven being universal in size is exclusive to the anime.

Oh. Thought this was the Toei one.
Still, isn't it being universal mentioned in the Daizenshuu?

 

[Spinoirr]

We still have that cannon map of heaven, the mortal realm and hell that has shown up in the super Manga

 

[omegabronic]

We still have that cannon map of heaven, the mortal realm and hell that has shown up in the super Manga

scan?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The map does not include any information regarding the sizes of the dimensions. All of the texts claiming that Heaven is as wide as the universe and that Hell is even larger are derived from non-canon sources.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Oh no! "it's not canonical because yes", Wiki considers it as a canonical databook, it's every shame I have to see, you have to lower yourself to saying that it's not canonical because "yes"

 

[God900]

Oh. Thought this was the Toei one.
Still, isn't it being universal mentioned in the Daizenshuu?

No. He's just saying only Toei has such feats.

We are debating the Canon cosmology

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Neutral for Hell but the chouzenshu and daizenshuu both state Heaven is as wide as a universe disagree with Heaven

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

scan?

He means to this

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

He means to this

I ended up forgetting that there are maps of cosmology and hell is all that red part, and underneath the weird writings is the Universe, just calculate the size of hell, according to map presented, need not even mention.

 

[Vizer04]

I agree, if it's from a non-canon source then it's not valid and should not be used for the canon cosmology.

 

[Damage3245]

We still have that cannon map of heaven, the mortal realm and hell that has shown up in the super Manga

We have no reason to assume that map is to scale.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree, if it's from a non-canon source then it's not valid and should not be used for the canon cosmology.

Oh no! "it's not canonical because yes", Wiki considers it as a canonical databook, it's every shame I have to see, you have to lower yourself to saying that it's not canonical because "yes"

.

 

[omegabronic]

He means to this

well, that showns heaven as far smaller then the living universe

 

[Nullflowerblush]

the chouzenshu and daizenshuu both state Heaven is as wide as a universe

"Anime: Those sorted out as good people among the dead gather here. It is about as wide as the universe, and its entire surface is a field of flowers."

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

We have no reason to assume that map is to scale.

Like this?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I feel like every time I engage with this verse in a CRT, nobody reads anything I say.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Wiki considers it as a canonical databook

The Dragon Ball Wiki?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

"Anime: Those sorted out as good people among the dead gather here. It is about as wide as the universe, and its entire surface is a field of flowers."

It's not just anime saying that, but the databook that is canon, having a Universal size quoted twice, first you will have to refute all canonicity of the databook to disprove the databook.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Shut up.

 

[Damage3245]

I agree with the CRT.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Well, scans speak louder than words
I can't believe I missed that "Anime:" thing tho

 

[Vizer04]

Shut up.

Please, let's keep the discussion peaceful.

 

[Damage3245]

It's not just manga saying that, but the databook that is canon, having a Universal size quoted twice, first you will have to refute all canonicity of the databook to disprove the databook.

Databook statements are typically taken on case-by-case basis. One wouldn't need to disprove the entire databook just to disprove one statement.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Oh, and ignoring the continuity of the text in question, in regards to the databooks...

I'd like to point out that the Wiki refuses to accept information from the guidebooks unless said information is vindicated by the source material. For example, Power Levels presented in guidebooks are unusable because said Power Levels are absent from dialogue; the Super Exciting Guide's multipliers of Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 are rejected because they are contradicted by on-screen depictions of the forms, the El Manga Legendario's Grade Three multiplier was refused because this information is never brought up by users of the form, and the Daizenshuu 7's logic that "In order to cancel out an opponent's attacks, the user must be twice as powerful" was rejected because this information is never supported by in-universe statements; and descriptions of characters's power (e.g., Daizenshuu 4 stating 23rd Budokai Goku can destroy the Moon) have only been accepted after previous feats from the original story (i.e., Jackie Chan destroying the Moon) were brought into consideration.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Please, let's keep the discussion peaceful.

Apologies.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Shut up.

Have some tea and try to calm down, my little friend

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

It's funny that Zamasu's calc doesn't even mention Heaven being universal in size, so nothing really changes lel

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Databook statements are typically taken on case-by-case basis. One wouldn't need to disprove the entire databook just to disprove one statement.

But work portrayed as being Universal size and the guide is considered canon for both, I don't see how it will disregard, plus it has been updated by Akira toriyama

 

[omegabronic]

It's not just anime saying that, but the databook that is canon, having a Universal size quoted twice, first you will have to refute all canonicity of the databook to disprove the databook.

it is an entry about the anime, so it is only valid for the anime since it is a information of an entry about the anime, there is 0 reason to use it for the manga

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Not saying that this CRT is pointless tho, removing wrong information is never bad

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It's funny that Zamasu's calc doesn't even mention Heaven being universal in size, so nothing really changes lel

There is a rule about talking about the afterlife, now you can understand why we can't even mention it?

 

[omegabronic]

But work portrayed as being Universal size

it never did in the main canon