• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Sailor Moon Tier 1 Upgrade

Status
Not open for further replies.
Iamunanimousinthat

Iamunanimousinthat

3,295
1,272
The God Tiers of Sailor Moon should be 1-A via the Lambda Power or scaling to it.

1. The Corridor of Spacetime has no concept of distance or direction. Sailor Mercury, who can create Super Dimensional Structures with in-world math*, and can track people outside normal space axis, who are in separate spacetimes, could not make any heads or tails of the corridor and felt like they weren't moving while physically traveling though this space.

*the fact that Sailor Mercury could create super dimensional structure, means that super dimensional space must exist as, a 4D object, regardless of size, cannot fit in 3D space.

2. All points in time and space are embedded in it. Including multiple layers of time. Sailor Pluto can use it to even seal away entire spacetimes.

3. The Silver Crystal transcends Space and Time

4. Via a special circumstantial paradox, the silver crystal can destroy everything in existence, including the Corridor of Spacetime

5. The Galaxy Cauldron created the Silver Crystal and all it's property.

6. The Galaxy Cauldron is the source of everything and including all Possibilities.

7. With the Lambda power, Sailor Moon is able to purge Chaos from the Cauldron, regenerate all the sailor crystals that were melted away by it. As well as can regenerate the cosmos.

8. Sailor Moon is stated to be cable of destroying the Galaxy Cauldron.

TL;DR The Corridor of Spacetime should be 1-A as it has no concept of distance or direction. The Galaxy Cauldron is superior to it as it is the source of everything and all possibilities. Sailor Moon. With the Lambda Power Sailor Moon has full control of the Cauldron's capability and possessed the power to destroy it.

Who would this apply to?

Tier:

Lambda Sailor Moon, Chaos, Sailor Chaos, Sailor Cosmos

Range:

Sailor Moon, Death Phantom, Black Lady, Sailor Pluto (they are able to affect the Corridor of Spacetime)
 
can you explain why exactly this is 1-A and not like, at best scaling to the current cosmology, i'm not acknowledged in the verse but none of this, by itself at least, seems 1-A or even low 1-C to me


1. The Corridor of Spacetime has no concept of distance or direction. Sailor Mercury, who can create Super Dimensional Structures with in-world math*, and can track people outside normal space axis, who are in separate spacetimes, could not make any heads or tails of the corridor and felt like they weren't moving while physically traveling though this space.

*the fact that Sailor Mercury could create super dimensional structure, means that super dimensional space must exist as, a 4D object, regardless of size, cannot fit in 3D space.

lacking the concept of space/stuff like distance and directions isn't 1-A by itself, and why would her being unable to track the place that lacks aspects of space, with her ability of tracking people in other spaces, mean it is 1-A? and not just her not being able to track directions or distance in a place without neither

2. All points in time and space are embedded in it. Including multiple layers of time. Sailor Pluto can use it to even seal away entire spacetimes.

so it is connected to sapcetime as a whole? well i don't see how this is 1-A instead of just being like, 2-C or something

3. The Silver Crystal transcends Space and Time

lack of context doesn't help, since it is talking about power, it just scales to the cosmology at best

4. Via a special circumstantial paradox, the silver crystal can destroy everything in existence, including the Corridor of Spacetime

5. The Galaxy Cauldron created the Silver Crystal and all it's property.

2-C because the corridor doesn't seem 1-A

6. The Galaxy Cauldron is the source of everything and including all Possibilities.

really just sounds like something related to creation

7. With the Lambda power, Sailor Moon is able to purge Chaos from the Cauldron, regenerate all the sailor crystals that were melted away by it. As well as can regenerate the cosmos.

8. Sailor Moon is stated to be capable of destroying the Galaxy Cauldron.

Scales to the cosmology i guess?

TL;DR The Corridor of Spacetime should be 1-A as it has no concept of distance or direction. The Galaxy Cauldron is superior to it as it is the source of everything and all possibilities. Sailor Moon. With the Lambda Power Sailor Moon has full control of the Cauldron's capability and possessed the power to destroy it.

so the whole reasoning for 1-A is lacking the concept of distance and direction? well, we don't scale characters lacking concepts like those nor time, space or dimensions to 1-A, so unless there is more context or something, maybe this can be low 1-C, but nowhere near 1-A
 
Thelastmlg said:
lacking the concept of space/stuff like distance and directions isn't 1-A by itself, and why would her being unable to track the place that lacks aspects of space, with her ability of tracking people in other spaces, mean it is 1-A? and not just her not being able to track directions or distance in a place without neither
Click to expand...
It confirms the lacking of concept of distance and direction. Sailor Mercury is a reliable source, who has shown ability to track others in weird and unconventional spaces. She is confirming that no matter where they go or move they aren’t actually going anywhere. This would be different from another character like, say Sailor Moon who would feel lost even in a place with distance and direction if it was simply unconventional.


Thelastmlg said:
so it is connected to sapcetime as a whole? well i don't see how this is 1-A instead of just being like, 2-C or something
Click to expand...

No. All of the different spacetimes are connected to to this place, meaning they are a subset of this place, but this place is not a subset of them.

And it cannot be 2-C because it is not 4 dimensional. It is has no dimension because it has no concept of direction or distance.


Thelastmlg said:
so the whole reasoning for 1-A is lacking the concept of distance and direction? well, we don't scale characters lacking concepts like those nor time, space or dimensions to 1-A, so unless there is more context or something, maybe this can be low 1-C, but nowhere near 1-A
Click to expand...
realms that have no concept of dimensions are considered 1-A. There are several verses that rate such.

the characters would gain 1-A for being able to destroy that realm or scale above power that can.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them.

1-A is qualitative superiority over space-time. If it’s not superior then it’s not 1-A.
Click to expand...
A realm with no concept of distance or direction, that is inaccessible to dimensioned space which are subsets to it, should count as qualitative superiority.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
A realm with no concept of distance or direction cannot be 5D.
Click to expand...
It can't be Outerversal either. Or any tier whatsoever..
Iamunanimousinthat said:
This page you keep listing is for characters. Nothing says here about places.
Click to expand...
What's the difference, both of them transcend time and space, within their verse..

Transcending time and space alone, requires context, and that's very often just low 1C.

If we took this thread very seriously, I can see 5D for the thing that transcends time and space as that seems to be referring to its power
Iamunanimousinthat said:
also, the characters given as examples are 1-A.
Click to expand...
It's because it was overlooked when the standards were revised to allow for BDE to apply to all characters who's nature qualifies for being beyond time and space within their verse.

Won't help ya!

Those verses have Infinite and beyond infinite planes. What Sailor Moon got?
 
I don't see anything near enough to be Tier 1, take it Low 1-C or 1-A, every interpretation seems stretched. I Disagree.
 
Reiner said:
I don't see anything near enough to be Tier 1, take it Low 1-C or 1-A, every interpretation seems stretched. I Disagree.
Click to expand...
No concept of distance or direction isn’t stretched and is as straight forward as can be.

why are we ignoring direct factual statement?
Sniper670 said:
What's the difference, both of them transcend time and space, within their verse..

Transcending time and space alone, requires context, and that's very often just low 1C.
Click to expand...
Address the whole argument. We already have statements of trancending time and space, along with everything else.
 
We nuked the whole transcend the concept of space-time, dimension, etc..... being 1-A long ago. Unless you have extreme evidences to prove

That is fortunate that now one argue the statement of lacking concept of distance or direction being flowery rather than literal fundamental abstract concept/ideas
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Please be serious. There is difference between a timeless void and a realm with no concept of distance or direction.
Click to expand...
What do you mean by difference? It's not talking about concept of space but distance and direction which are bound to Spacetime, nuke the time and time and concept of distance and direction will be nuked.
 
Vietthai96 said:
We nuked the whole transcend the concept of space-time, dimension, etc..... being 1-A long ago. Unless you have extreme evidences to prove

That is fortunate that now one argue the statement of lacking concept of distance or direction being flowery rather than literal fundamental abstract concept/ideas
Click to expand...
This argument would be relevant if my argument was just trancendence.

Also a direct statement about the cosmology from the most trusted authority is not flowery language.
 
Reiner said:
What do you mean by difference? It's not talking about concept of space but distance and direction which are bound to Spacetime, nuke the time and time and concept of distance and direction will be nuked.
Click to expand...
Thats literally not true. Please stay on topic.
 
Our current tier system has it that characters can gain higher tiers by cresting/destroying spsces with more than 4 dimensions OR existing in a layer/world/etc. that is ontologically superior to a baseline 4 dimensional layer/world/etc.

This is a place that has no concept of distance or direction. By its very virtue, it is superior to any place with any amount of dimensions. Even a character who can move in an infinite number of dimensional directions would not be able to move anywhere in this space without special narrative mechanics.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Our current tier system has it that characters can gain higher tiers by cresting/destroying spsces with more than 4 dimensions OR existing in a layer/world/etc. that is ontologically superior to a baseline 4 dimensional layer/world/etc.

This is a place that has no concept of distance or direction. By its very virtue, it is superior to any place with any amount of dimensions. Even a character who can move in an infinite number of dimensional directions would not be able to move anywhere in this space without special narrative mechanics.
Click to expand...
that is clear cut NLF
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Our current tier system has it that characters can gain higher tiers by cresting/destroying spsces with more than 4 dimensions OR existing in a layer/world/etc. that is ontologically superior to a baseline 4 dimensional layer/world/etc.

This is a place that has no concept of distance or direction. By its very virtue, it is superior to any place with any amount of dimensions. Even a character who can move in an infinite number of dimensional directions would not be able to move anywhere in this space without special narrative mechanics.
Click to expand...
So you are claiming that 0 dimensional realms are 1-A, with this argument any 0 dimensional being is also 1-A in nature.
 
If I have not misunderstood, you would like to point out that the space you specified exceeds the concepts of space and time, that is, the concept of dimension, and is exempt from the aspects specific to dimensions, because it exceeds the concept of spacetime and dimension. it would be nice if there are 2 3 statements or something else that supports what you say, I'm inclined to join right now. but as I said, it should give us the idea that the reason why the "directionless space" does not have a direction is because it exceeds dimensions.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Iamunanimousinthat
  • Locked
Sailor Moon: Tier 1 Corridor of Spacetime Door
2 3 4
Replies
137
Views
10K
Deagonx
Deagonx
Iamunanimousinthat
  • Locked
Why not? Sailor Moon Tier One: The Last Time
2 3
Replies
83
Views
5K
Qawsedf234
Qawsedf234
Iamunanimousinthat
  • Locked
Sailor Moon! Tier One! The Ultimate Panacea!
4 5 6
Replies
205
Views
12K
Lonkitt
Lonkitt
Iamunanimousinthat
  • Locked
Sailor Moon Tier 1 Upgrade (Reformatted)
2 3
Replies
101
Views
8K
Deagonx
Deagonx
Maverick_Zero_X
  • Locked
Tier 1 Sailor Moon Discussion Rule?
Replies
28
Views
3K
Deagonx
Deagonx
Back
Top