Self-evident intelligence revisions thread

[MonkeyOfLife]

Sure that just being able to navigate so he can survive doesn't count?

I mean there are moments there where he didn't even pay attention or even hold the steering wheel... So I probably don't think so

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I mean there are moments there where he didn't even pay attention or even hold the steering wheel... So I probably don't think so

He do see him do and pass the written test while driving, does it count of multi-tasking or just not paying attention?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Some tech based feats for DCAU Batman:

Batman hacking Hand Of Fate and beating minotaur:

Batman missile intercept:

Batman fooling Strange's machine: https://youtu.be/G2ZpdvhoBxw

Batman vs Riddler in Virtual Reality: https://youtu.be/v2l_EhwinD0 https://youtu.be/AO1Z50uXY1M https://youtu.be/-LEBY7Sp9eQ

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

He do see him do and pass the written test while driving, does it count of multi-tasking or just not paying attention?

Could be both? But just that he's not doing much on the driving part... Soo yee basically not paying attention

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

What intelligence rating can be given to a character for being able to reach the killscreen of Pac-Man when they were 3?

 

[Antvasima]

What intelligence rating can be given to a character for being able to reach the killscreen of PacMan when they were 3?

Probably Genius. It counts for slightly superhuman feats as well.

 

[Antvasima]

Well I think you would need proof or at least support that it was from his intelligence and not luck first

Which I don't think shows in that video

Agreed.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Some tech based intelligence feats for DCAU Batman:

Batman hacking Hand Of Fate and beating minotaur:

Batman missile intercept:

Batman fooling Strange's machine: https://youtu.be/G2ZpdvhoBxw

Batman vs Riddler in Virtual Reality: https://youtu.be/v2l_EhwinD0 https://youtu.be/AO1Z50uXY1M https://youtu.be/-LEBY7Sp9eQ

@Antvasima

 

[Antvasima]

You can probably embed links to them in his page in our wiki if you wish, but there is always a big chance that inofficial YouTube videos will be taken down, so gif files are much preferable.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Celestia

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Celestia is labeled as a Genius, but I don't think this is the case. She seems gifted. She's good at gambling, but even she says the key to that is luck. It takes intelligence too, but it's not like it's pure intelligence. She made a good murder plan, even outsmarted Byakuya, but Makoto and Kyoko could see through the plan. There have been so many better trials where the culprit performed and covered up the murders better

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Miu was originally but as Average normally, Genius as an inventor. However, I moved her to Above Average normally. She was outsmarted by Kokichi, who's at a higher level of normal intelligence, and an expert at detecting lies, but her plan was good, and even Kokichi said the group would be in trouble had she succeeded. She always guessed the culprits in the trials, and while it was arguably lucky guesses, she did genuinely realize that the wax sculptures in the third case were used as a distraction

 

[Antvasima]

The last two suggestions above seem acceptable to apply.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I've made a few more changes, specifically to Danganronpa.

Yasuhiro was put at average with no info. However, if you look at his character, it's more complicated. Many danganronpa characters are silly, and seem dumb for that reason, but Yasuhiro actually is dumb normally. He was held back several times, has been scammed into buying a fake crystal ball even though being the ultimate Clairvoyant means he should know better. A segment of the game was dedicated to convincing him that Kyoko, who was right in front of him, wasn't a ghost. His low intelligence is definitely more than simply comic relief. With tech matters, however, he seems at least fairly knowledgeable. He can dismantle a Monokuma unit, which we know are super complex, even by nasa standards. He can start up a train. These are things the average human would at the very least struggle with
to do with the ease we see him do this with. So he definitely is above average in tech matters

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Teruteru was put as average, but he committed a murder even though the ultimate imposter did everything to prevent one. The Imposter was seriously thorough, yet Teruteru anticipated him taking even the cooking prongs, and hid one in the chicken bone. Teruteru knew about the under the floor area, and not only figured out how to use this for the plan, but even decently hid that he was under there. Teruteru is definitely Above Average

 

[Antvasima]

I've made a few more changes, specifically to Danganronpa.

Yasuhiro was put at average with no info. However, if you look at his character, it's more complicated. Many danganronpa characters are silly, and seem dumb for that reason, but Yasuhiro actually is dumb normally. He was held back several times, has been scammed into buying a fake crystal ball even though being the ultimate Clairvoyant means he should know better. A segment of the game was dedicated to convincing him that Kyoko, who was right in front of him, wasn't a ghost. His low intelligence is definitely more than simply comic relief. With tech matters, however, he seems at least fairly knowledgeable. He can dismantle a Monokuma unit, which we know are super complex, even by nasa standards. He can start up a train. These are things the average human would at the very least struggle with
to do with the ease we see him do this with. So he definitely is above average in tech matters

Maybe "Below Average in general; Gifted with technology" then?

Teruteru was put as average, but he committed a murder even though the ultimate imposter did everything to prevent one. The Imposter was seriously thorough, yet Teruteru anticipated him taking even the cooking prongs, and hid one in the chicken bone. Teruteru knew about the under the floor area, and not only figured out how to use this for the plan, but even decently hid that he was under there. Teruteru is definitely Above Average

Okay. That seems fine to apply then.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Maybe "Below Average in general; Gifted with technology" then?

Okay. That seems fine to apply then.

Hmm... Yeah, Gifted with technology does sound reasonable!

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to apply that then.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Here does this put elephants?

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Here does this put elephants?

This seems like an instance of High Animalistic

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, High Animalistic intelligence is perfectly fine for elephants.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Some feats on the pheromones Purple Man has created:

Pheromones

• Killgrave can make a person follow his every command without question, not realizing what they've done till after the effect wears off.
• This works by sapping the wills of people effected by it until they're willing to agree with anything he says. This is why especially willful characters are able to resist him.
• Unlike Kara's powers, his doesn't usually turn his victim's skin purple but sometimes it does. Apparently it takes effort to keep them normal-looking.
• Convinces a crowd of people to not only do something but to think a certain way.
• Can tell crowds of people what to do, regardless of whether they want to or not, up to and including killing themselves.
• Not only can a person be made to do anything, whether they would have anywhere near the desire to or not, but the compulsion feels as natural to the victim as any other normal thought.
  • Because of this, while Killgrave's pheromones have a limited range in which they can affect people, if a command has been given and then the victim exits that range, they still feel compelled to see their assignment through.
• Gives an order that's still being followed long after the fact.
  • Gives a command that's followed through 10 years after the fact, to the day.
• People under his control don't experience a rise in their heartbeat.

Strength

• Riles up a crowd to attack Daredevil to the point that he had trouble stopping them.
• Easily controls an entire theater full of people.
• Controls a crowd of people through a televised broadcast.
• Clears out the entirety of Sea World.
• Able to finally control Daredevil through a combination of increasing his pheromone strength and using a sound system to amplify the sound of his voice.
• Easily commands a powerful psionic, as his pheromones affect the body biologically instead of mentally.
  • To a point. Jean Grey was able to implant a psychic defense in Jessica Jones' mind that blocks his control.
• Forces Genis-Vell to turn off his cosmic awareness.
• People given commands will kill themselves voluntarily to get it done.
• His pheromones are able to travel and infect people through Shroud's mist.
• Overpowers and shorts out Puppet Master's mind control machine by maxing out the pheromones he pumps into the people being controlled.

Versatility

• Can control who his powers do and don't affect.
• Makes a man forget about his actions and involvement even after direct control fades.
  • Spider-Man was able to shake off the order to forget with a photograph and his Spidey Sense, however.
• Vague commands are open to interpretation on the part of the victim.
• Apparently gives some form of non-verbal order.
• Can make people see things if he tells them to.
  • These can also be vague.
• Alters Elektra's memories and emotions.
• Is able to speak through Jessica Jones' daughter while both of them are locked in a safe room.
  • Speaks through a whole crowd.
• After his powers are in some way amped by Benjamin Killgrave's artificial pheromones, is able to seemingly control Jessica Jones' body directly while communicating with her thoughts, despite her wearing a neural disruptor.

Limitations

• Fades with proximity.
• His power can't work if there's a physical barrier between him and his targets.
• It also can't work if a person can't hear his commands.
  • Basically powerless when gagged.
  • Even if his words are only partially drowned out.
• Has trouble controlling especially dim-witted people.
• Even if a person can't resist his mind control outright, a small amount of willpower can keep them conscious and actively attempting to outmanuever his control.
  • Requires concentration to keep these people under control.
• Can't control animals.
• Robotic individuals (like Vision) are immune to Doom's Psycho Prism and logically to Purple Man as a whole.
• Daredevil knocks some people out of a lingering command (outside of his proximity) with a bucket of cold water.
• Wonder Man, a being of pure energy, is immune to his pheromones transmitted through Doom's psycho prism.
  • Apparently he got over this.
• His powers can be sedated through the use of specialty drugs.
• Splitting his attention means that individuals under his control have less room to improvise under his commands and thus don't perform as well.
• Elektra was able to protect herself from his pheromones by holding her breath.
• Even when Daredevil was emotionally weakened to the point of being capable of following his orders, he resisted by being too depressed to bother.
• Jessica Jones is able to shrug off a control similar to his with a neural disruptor.

Usage in Gear and on Teams

• Creates a gas that can control a crowd of people outside of his usual range and incapacitates Daredevil, who was previously entirely unaffected by him.
• Doom creates a prism with a single strand of his hair that allows him to control a restaurant of people and the cops outside without a verbal command.
  • And then a prism with his entire body that puts the entire world under his control.
• After putting three of the Purple Children into his own Psycho Prisms, is able to directly control the entire world.
  • The Purple Children then put him in the Psycho Prism and make the entire world forget Daredevil's secret identity. When a person is reminded of his identity, they suddenly remember always knowing instead of starting from scratch.
• Doc Ock was able to create a similar machine, less effective, that could allow Fisk to sway the population of New York using Killgrave's finger. Enough that he could reignite dormant and erased memories.
  • After the power of the Purple Children were added, this turned into full control, enough to control Killgrave himself as well as an alternate universe version of Ghost Rider.
• After infecting Manhattan's water supply with his pheromones, uses a telepath to monitor everyone on the island and is helped by Zemo opening holes in space to control the entire city of New York.
• The Purple Son was able to achieve a similar effect to his normal control, pumping pheromones through the air or directly injecting them into people, by mixing Killgrave's blood with his own.
  • A bad mixture with too much of Killgrave's blood temporarily turns people purple when injected. That's it.
• An evil clone of Squirrel Girl shrinks him down and puts him in a jar and somehow uses this to control Dr. Strange.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but can you ONLY list his blatant intelligence feats please, not examples of his powers and other feats?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Okay, but can you ONLY list his blatant intelligence feats please, not examples of his powers and other feats?

He's able to create all of theme pheromones with his intelligence, how come that doesn't count?

 

[Antvasima]

It is a superpower of his, i.e. mostly instinctive/automatic, not a feat of scientific engineering.

 

[Sparkive]

This Character

Axiom (WWE)

Axiom (born May 9, 1997) is a Spanish professional wrestler. He is currently signed to WWE, where he performs on NXT. He has also performed in NXT UK, where he was the inaugural NXT UK Heritage Cup Champion. Tier: 8-C, higher with Golden Ratio Name: Axiom Origin: WWE Gender: Male Age: 26...

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Is currently At least Above Average, something reasonable based on intelligence....

At least Above Average (Very skilled wrestler. Combines technical prowess, high-flying maneuvers, as well as his gift for mathematics to quickly analyze and react to his opponents moves.)

but if you look at his P&A (Analytical Prediction) you will find a clearer explanation of his mathematical abilities:

(Thanks to his gift for mathematics, Axiom believes that anything can be broken down into a formula. He states that he can quickly analyze and react to anything. He uses his gift for mathematics, as well as his natural technical skill to quickly counter submission maneuvers, pinning positions, and grapple maneuvers)

Is this really Above Average?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, maybe "At least Above Average, likely Gifted" would work better?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

This Character

Axiom (WWE)

Axiom (born May 9, 1997) is a Spanish professional wrestler. He is currently signed to WWE, where he performs on NXT. He has also performed in NXT UK, where he was the inaugural NXT UK Heritage Cup Champion. Tier: 8-C, higher with Golden Ratio Name: Axiom Origin: WWE Gender: Male Age: 26...

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Is currently At least Above Average, something reasonable based on intelligence....

but if you look at his P&A (Analytical Prediction) you will find a clearer explanation of his mathematical abilities:

Is this really Above Average?

Well, maybe "At least Above Average, likely Gifted" would work better?

I agree with Ant's sentiment here.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

What does this give Toei Goku?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

bump?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

What does this give Toei Goku?

Below average.

 

[Arcker123]

Szayelapporo needs to be an Extraordinary Genius.

His intelligence section is fine but the Genius rating is downplay. His intillect rivals Extraordinary genius's like Mayuri, and he created a castle out of sand that can warp space and fully bend to his mind. There are more points on the profile but you get the gist. Complete mastery in things like biology, engineering, fighting, strategy etc to supernatural levels.

 

[ImmortalDread]

His intillect rivals Extraordinary genius's like Mayuri

Is not stated in the section

, and he created a castle out of sand that can warp space and fully bend to his mind.

Not stated in the section

Complete mastery in things like biology, engineering, fighting, strategy etc to supernatural levels.

If anything, this is still genius — range.

From my perspective, nothing appears self-evident here, and the points you've mentioned are not specifically highlighted in the profile. I suggest creating a CRT to incorporate those scans and statements related to his intelligence for an enhanced discussion if you want to upgrade him.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Below average.

that's not very generous, where's @Antvasima?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I thought the joke was that they were easy to solve, sorry. Still, he seems a little gullible.

 

[Arcker123]

Dread stop being obtuse. These are literally things elsewhere on the profile like the castle thing and wouldn't take more than a minute to implement. I'm not wasting 2 days of my time explaining what should be obvious to people who read the profile or the series.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Sarada intelligence feats:

• For a while, manages to spar with Hanabi
  
  
  
• Clashes against a sword with kunai
  
  
  
• Deflects blows from enemy ninja
  
  
  
• Pummels enemy ninja to the floow.
  
  
  
• Creates a clone to beat himself up and dispel Mitsuki's clone.
  
  
  
• Uses his jacket for misdirection, moves out of the way before he's sliced in half
  
  
  
• Makes Ao grab a blade that absorbs his own chakra
  
  
  
• Clone feint
  
  
  
• Cuts Ao in half with a chakra saber.
  

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Creating/improving devices capable of draining Big Bang level energies and objects capable of scanning and projecting higher dimensions can be used to give Supergenius level of intelligence?

 

[Antvasima]

Below average.

@Hagane_no_Saiyajin @The_King_of_Prudence

That seems fine, yes.

Szayelapporo needs to be an Extraordinary Genius.

His intelligence section is fine but the Genius rating is downplay. His intillect rivals Extraordinary genius's like Mayuri, and he created a castle out of sand that can warp space and fully bend to his mind. There are more points on the profile but you get the gist. Complete mastery in things like biology, engineering, fighting, strategy etc to supernatural levels.

@Arcker123

This seems fine, but you need to properly explain his intelligence feats within his page.