Skill Wars: The Skill Strikes Back

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

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Yes but actually acting thoughtlessly is identity. You're not literally being mindless you're just trying to be random, your random choices are still dictated by identity.

Random is when something is done or selected without conscious decision. The only link between one's actions and one's identity is the fact the actions come from conscious thought and as such were performed by that identity directly. But the moment these actions turn random, they lose any link with the identity that performed them before. As such, they can't be predicted.

Anyone remember that one telepath in TMNT vs Donnie, who had mental based precog? The moment Donnie started... "stopping" thinking, he threw him off guard.

 

[BakiHanma18]

I nominate Shiva since shes been stated to be higher than Batman in terms of raw skill.

Is she more skilled that Pre-Crisis Karate Kid?

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Brb gathering scans to get Himura Kenshin in the top 2.

 

[Ionliosite]

Is she more skilled that Pre-Crisis Karate Kid?

Well, she's the most skilled person in New Earth and Prime Earth, so she's totally above any other Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint character. Now, Karate Kid is from Earth-1, so I'm not sure how to compare a Pre-Crisis character to Lady Shiva.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Is there any scaling between other pre and post crisis characters?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Brb gathering scans to get Himura Kenshin in the top 2.

I'm looking foward to that.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I'm gonna work on getting Hajime Hinata up here.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Brb gathering scans to get Himura Kenshin in the top 2.

His master is more skilled than him tho.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Does he have a profile?

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Also I'm gonna nominate some Hajime no Ippo characters but I can't tell who to nominate as the most skilled Takamura or Ricardo.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Btw I completely agree that Kenshin characters belong on this list. Kenshin alone has so much skill that he can chop a vegetable in two so finely that putting the two halves together causes them to become one again.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Btw I completely agree that Kenshin characters belong on this list. Kenshin alone has so much skill that he can chop a vegetable in two so finely that putting the two halves together causes them to become one again.

On a physical level that has nothing to do with skill. It has to do with the type of weapon. But once i finish Kenichi, he'll be there.

Learned sword martial arts to such an extent he uses them with his bare hands, (yes literally cuts people with his hands via mastery).

 

[KGiffoni]

Yujiro dwarfs in skill someone who does exactly that.

God, even Doppo Orochi could cut people with his hands. And Yujiro dwarfs Doppo Orochi in skill even worse.

He might need some other feats to warranty a 2nd place rating.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Mutiple characters can do that in various mediums.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Ummm, isn't that exactly what Shichika Yasuri does?

 

[Creaturemaster971]

That's what Meisai can do, and she's like, near bottom tier in terms of skill

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Heat can do that

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Actually, no, I don't think cutting fruit in two so finely it literally sticks back together has to do with tool in question. I say this from some personal experience seeing people cut stuff up with their newly sharpened knives and, at times, swords is oddly fun let me tell you.

And yes, mimicking weapons with naked extremities is not really new, or uncommon. Mimicking wide amounts of weapons or pulling off complex weapon-based techniques with only your hands, on the other side, is way less common

 

[Ionliosite]

Sacred Eclipse can cut people with her hands, that's not really a skill feat.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

How is... using your hand so precisely you can use it like a knife not a skill feat?

It is a super common one, but it is a skill feat.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Think he's saying it's not a skill feat compared to the people here.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Then the wording doesn't imply that at all.

 

[Ionliosite]

No, Milly is right, that's exactly what I meant.

 

[KGiffoni]

Depends. By instance, cutting with your hands like Doppo Orochi does isn't even remotely comparable to the "cutting with your hands" Musashi does.

 

[Ionliosite]

What's the difference?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Also, uh... D (Vampire Hunter D) might be a good nominee here. While I may have to gather more feats, vampire hunters are stated to be the most skilled out of all hunters, and only the best of the best get to be hunters in general iirc. He can also cut someone so cleanly that not a single tear or drop of blood is seen, but can render them in a comatose state, and reverse this by slashing backwards.

 

[KGiffoni]

What's the difference?

Here's Musashi Miyamoto's ability to cut without a sword. (there are two links in there) Take note that, if Musashi wants, he can make the opponent feel the pain (the opponent fainting if he lacks really good pain tolerance) and sensation of being cut, or even actually cutting the opponent with this technique. He even intended to fight Yujiro with a perfected form of this technique until their fight was interrupted.

And Doppo's is just abusing the smaller area of the tips of your fingers in order to pierce the body of the opponent, similarly to a spear.


It's clear they're not the same.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Also, uh... D (Vampire Hunter D) might be a good nominee here. While I may have to gather more feats, vampire hunters are stated to be the most skilled out of all hunters, and only the best of the best get to be hunters in general iirc. He can also cut someone so cleanly that not a single tear or drop of blood is seen, but can render them in a comatose state, and reverse this by slashing backwards.

Also contends with Supergenius Nobles on the regular, and is such a good tactician he defeated Valcua's entire army with only a handfull of troops. (Valcua is also said to be only second to the Sacred Ancestor in military and combat tactics, who is ******* stupid smart.)

D is also capable of defeating others who can mimick his own fighting style perfectly, and can overcome Nobles who can predict fate with 100% accuracy through purely mathematics.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Depends. By instance, cutting with your hands like Doppo Orochi does isn't even remotely comparable to the "cutting with your hands" Musashi does.

Are we talking about Baki's Musashi? Doesn't he like cut with abstract swords?

 

[KGiffoni]

Yes, but it's an ability derived from skill as the man himself says.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

The smarts of the nobles are mostly in the technological sense, not so much the skill sense, since people like Valcua and a few others are mostly the ones that get this sort of treatment. I also don't remember it being a thing that Nobles usually are using mathetics while they fight to react to their opponent, which is the kind of thing they would need.

But we do have, in volume 1, Doris completely controlling her whip like a living thing, from making the end take a 90 degree turn to the ground after it was reflected back at her with the merest twitch of her wrist, to her ultimate skill where she unwraps the whip in 8 after whipping it, each of the 8 tips perfectly aiming and wrapping around 8 different body parts while each of the 8 tips moves at a completely different speed to confuse the person in question.

And Doris is nothing more than the kid of an Ex-Werewolf hunter that taught her stuff but has never been a hunter herself, and werewolf hunters are more or less trash compared to Vampire Hunters, which are the top of the food chain in the different kinds of hunters in the novel.

Not much, but not worthless.

 

[ShivaShakti]

The smarts of the nobles are mostly in the technological sense, not so much the skill sense, since people like Valcua and a few others are mostly the ones that get this sort of treatment. I also don't remember it being a thing that Nobles usually are using mathetics while they fight to react to their opponent, which is the kind of thing they would need.
But we do have, in volume 1, Doris completely controlling her whip like a living thing, from making the end take a 90 degree turn to the ground after it was reflected back at her with the merest twitch of her wrist, to her ultimate skill where she unwraps the whip in 8 after whipping it, each of the 8 tips perfectly aiming and wrapping around 8 different body parts while each of the 8 tips moves at a completely different speed to confuse the person in question.

And Doris is nothing more than the kid of an Ex-Werewolf hunter that taught her stuff but has never been a hunter herself, and werewolf hunters are more or less trash compared to Vampire Hunters, which are the top of the food chain in the different kinds of hunters in the novel.

Not much, but not worthless.

Actually the smarts of Nobles does apply to their combat capabilities. They are stated to be naturally expert specialist in combat and weaponry, as per their physiological super intelligence. It's in the Greylancer novel.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I actually didn't know that. But to what degree is what matters, which is hard without feats.

But they would at least scale immensely above someone like Doris if that's the case.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Also keep in mind D has the combined knowledge of all the Nobility, due to his connection the sacred ancestor giving them access to everything they are capable of.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Mhmmm. Though I am willing to bet there are other good skill feats around.

Doris is a nobody and she literally changes her whip nearly 180 degrees mid atatck with barely a movement of her wrist, and with another such move perfectly grabs a cigar from someone and drives it into someone's else mouth like she was using a third hand, all casually and without killing the second dude despite her whip being special made to scour flesh due to the werewolf fur used to make it, and more than easily capable of hurting someone with above human endurance.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Mhmmm. Though I am willing to bet there are other good skill feats around.
Doris is a nobody and she literally changes her whip nearly 180 degrees mid atatck with barely a movement of her wrist, and with another such move perfectly grabs a cigar from someone and drives it into someone's else mouth like she was using a third hand, all casually and without killing the second dude despite her whip being special made to scour flesh due to the werewolf fur used to make it, and more than easily capable of hurting someone with above human endurance.

There are a few other skill feats I can think of from the top of my head. D was able to casually throw his sword across thousands of miles with pin point accuracy which is pretty insane.

I believe he was also able to slice things to such a precise degree he could hit subatomic particles

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Also pretty good feats, actually.

 

[KGiffoni]

These are precision feats. If we go by that, i remember the existence of a character that could hit sniper shots from different planets flawlessly.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Precision is a matter of skill, though. Especially if you can apply it to combat, which there is no reason you can't.

Combat skill is quite literally an exercise in precision.

 

[KGiffoni]

Just saying that other people have better precision feats and aren't on the list so precision alone isn't enough