Superman feat removal

[Maverick_Zero_X]

From the Superman (Post-Crisis) article:

Threw a compressed solar system away from the Earth

This feat was recalculated at Low 5-B, so it shouldn’t be in his 4-B explanation

Pre-Flashpoint Superman and DC Feats Analyzed

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

Agreed with this.

 

[LuciferDC099]

Wait, do tier 4 DC characters have any 4-B feat other than that?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Wait, do tier 4 DC characters have any 4-B feat other than that?

Probably not there was supposed to be a revision to downgrade them

 

[Confluctor]

I believe there is another 4-b feat too

Flash: Explaining the Infinite Mass Punch

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[Setsuna_tenma]

That feat got discussed as well previously

 

[Firestorm808]

Yeah, we are supposed to remove it.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Wait, do tier 4 DC characters have any 4-B feat other than that?

Solar System levelat peak (Contained a mini-black hole that was about to destroy the entire solar system.[6] He withstood an explosion at a point-blank range equivalent to 50 Keplar Supernovas while severely weakened by red sun radiation. Tanked multiple red solar radiation blasts from a Sun-Eater, which was capable of destroying entire suns and star systems[7])

 

[Confluctor]

i don't think the mini black hole feat is usable either.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I’m fine with removing that too, iirc the comic referred to it as the size of a speck of dust so that’s not hitting 4-B.

 

[Confluctor]

yeah. It was potentially going to grow and destroy the solar system, but not usable for 4b or even tier 5 at all

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Although shouldn’t he have “Resistance to Black Holes” for holding a singularity in his hand and not being subject to spaghettification?

 

[Confluctor]

that or gravity manip, either should work

 

[LuciferDC099]

1. Black hole feat isn't 4-B as Confluctor explained.

2. Kepler supernova feat is High 4-C because Superman tanked only electromagnetic shockwaves of the explosion which contains only %1 of the explosion energy.

3. Superman: "It's the size of a nebula. It consumes entire suns. If it gets to those people's star systems, they'll all die". This means that Sun-Eater is 4-C / High 4-C afaik because it consumes suns of solar system which causes death of those systems.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So... no 4-B feats?

 

[LuciferDC099]

Also John Stewart was unable to recreate a solar system (Xanshi System) even when his willpower exceed power ring capabilities and Kyle Rayner struggled very much when he contained a supernova (later Kal Kent helped him). It seems that High 4-C is a limit for DC's tier 4 characters.

And we don't know that if Superman can do a 4-B IMP.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

These would have to be addressed I guess:

• Alan Scott’s 4-B statement
• Infinite Mass Punch
• Superman withstood the Sun Eater’s explosion
• The collective power of the Rings could collapse Oa into a black hole
• The Green Lantern Corps survive a black hole

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

IMP was adressed in a previous thread.
Superman doesn`t scale to the collective power of rings

 

[LuciferDC099]

• Firestorm808 said that Alan Scott doesn't scale to JLA characters iirc. You can ask him.

• I'm personally disagree with scaling all high-tier JLA members to IMP because we don't even know if they can do a 4-B IMP. The best thing Superman did was a 5-A attack when we was at relativistic speeds.

• Superman tanked only electromagnetic shockwaves of the explosion which contains %1 of explosion energy. This is a High 4-C feat at best.

• I'm not sure about black hole feats. Are they quantifable?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

IMP was adressed in a previous thread.

Can you elaborate?

 

[Confluctor]

Some of them needs to be evaluated, cause some could be good replacements

 

[LuciferDC099]

Some of them needs to be evaluated, cause some could be good replacements

Are black hole feats quantifable?

 

[Confluctor]

Pretty sure they are

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

• Superman tanked only electromagnetic shockwaves of the explosion which contains %1 of explosion energy. This is a High 4-C feat at best.

The overall explosion is 5e+45 Joules. I’m not a math guy, would 1% of that value not be 4-B?

DC: Star Eater

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Superman doesn`t scale to the collective power of rings

The calculation divided by the result to determine how powerful a single Lantern would be.

DC: Green Lantern Black Hole revisited

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[Setsuna_tenma]

its a group feat. Combined power doesn`t always scale linearly.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

its a group feat. Combined power doesn`t always scale linearly.

Why not? Can I see proof of that?

 

[LuciferDC099]

Pretty sure they are

Okay then.

The overall explosion is 5e+45 Joules. I’m not a math guy, would 1% of that value not be 4-B?

%1 of that is 5.45e+43 J which is High 4-C.

 

[KLOL506]

The overall explosion is 5e+45 Joules. I’m not a math guy, would 1% of that value not be 4-B?

No.

50 times Kepler (One Kepler is 1e+44 J) is 5e+45 J, 1% of that is 5e+43 J

 

[KLOL506]

BTW, I remember Imp-ress actually preparing for an eventual "2-C at full power" revision for Post-Crisis Superman, so Tier 4 might be axed altogether for Supes's peak.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Superman's IMP which is technically just RMP is actually more like High 4-C I heard it was recalculated as. And Inverse Square Law makes the Keplar Supernovas thing simply 0.5 Foe which is High 4-C too.

 

[LuciferDC099]

BTW, I remember Imp-ress actually preparing for an eventual "2-C at full power" revision for Post-Crisis Superman, so Tier 4 might be axed altogether for Supes's peak.

Firestorm808 and FanofRPGs debunked those Low 2-C "feats" iirc

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Superman's IMP which is technically just RMP

Yes but “Relativistic Mass Punch” sounds nowhere near as cool as “Infinite Mass Punch”

Firestorm808 and FanofRPGs debunked those Low 2-C "feats" iirc

Certain of them are still valid, Superman just can’t scale at the moment.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

She only said "Maybe" implying she's not 100% certain of it iirc. Or she doesn't really care if it gets accepted officially, but she want's to exclude all the "Vague statements that aren't actually feats". And she mostly doesn't like to be bothered until she's ready iirc.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Anyway Tier 2 discussion is a dead end so let’s stay on topic.

Should be removed:

• Superman throwing away a compressed solar system
• Superman containing a mini-black hole (Should be replaced with Resistance to Gravity Manipulation/Black Holes)

4-C/High 4-C:

• Sun Eater’s explosion
• Kyle Rayner contained a supernova

4-B:

• Alan Scott
• GL Black hole feats
• Matt’s Wally West calc

Also apparently this feat is a thing:

“In Green Lantern #166/167, Kyle Rayner contains a pseudo-black hole/Quantum Singularity which would destroy a star/solar system”

 

[KLOL506]

Firestorm808 and FanofRPGs debunked those Low 2-C "feats" iirc

I believe those were not the feats Imp-ress had in mind.

 

[Firestorm808]

The Black Hole speck is a sentient entity that destroys planets one by one.

 

[LuciferDC099]

4-B:

• Alan Scott
• GL Black hole feats
• Matt’s Wally West calc

Also apparently this feat is a thing:

“In Green Lantern #166/167, Kyle Rayner contains a pseudo-black hole/Quantum Singularity which would destroy a star/solar system”

If we can scale JLA characters to Alan Scott and GL Black hole feats are legit then 4-B is fine for me.

I disagree with using IMP for scalings and the last pseudo-black hole feat was an overtime feat iirc.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

bump

 

[Greenshifter]

Isn't there a guy that would nuke a solar system by dying?

Once again I will repeat that Eobard Thawne was still conscious after tanking Wally's 4-B RMP.

 

[Confluctor]

Isn't there a guy that would nuke a solar system by dying?

Alan Scott?