Tensura (LN) Acausality 4 for ultimate skill user

[Shiraito983]

Ill keep it simple

Ill start About the ultimate skill

Here state Ultimate skill user exist higher plane than normal magic, therefore they need a power comparable ultimate level to resist them.

Someone who gained an ultimate had gained a new insight into the world. It therefore existed on a higher plane than magic based on the world’s rules. Resisting it would require something like Disintegration, the most powerful of all holy magic, or the kinds of ultimates the Primal Demons threw around . Vol 16 chapter chapter 2

In the first quote said that primal has ultimate force. And here state that the best way to take on an ultimate power was to have ultimate power on your own.

it was possible for someone without an ultimate skill to defeat an ultimate user. Someone with completely mastered Arts could do it—maybe holy-level sword moves were stronger than your average skill in the end. Still, if you wanted to take on ultimate force, the best way was definitely to have an ultimate force of your own.

Another example

As we know true dragon are ultimate force themselves without having ultimate skill.

Velgrynd says that an attack bound by the law of world wouldn't work on true dragons.

“You truly do reign supreme among demons. I couldn’t ask for much more magic force. But if you insist on following the laws of this world, you will never outclass a True Dragon. vol 15 ch 1

Here state that the primal demon can throw ultimate power

Resisting it would require something like Disintegration, the most powerful of all holy magic, or the kinds of ultimates the Primal Demons threw around. Vol 16 ch 2

And demon trio was capable of throwing ultimate power, instantly destroy velgrynd split body after they gave all their powers in a single attack. This was before they aquire ultimate skill. Also implying that demon trio attack was not bound by the law of the world

Testarossa, Ultima, and Carrera each expressed their feelings in their own words—and then in their own actions, as they unleashed an unhinged barrage upon Velgrynd. Each one was maximum-force, instantly destroying her Separate Body. Once again, Velgrynd was drained of 9 percent of her magicules. The negotiations were off. Vol 15 ch 1

Also Carrera with 2 ultimate skill easily harming Velgrynd by judgement destroying her arm

The other Velgrynd shouted loudly, arms outstretched to protect Ludora. Her God-level velocity was in time to catch the bullet—I gotta hand it to her; she’s a monster. But the Judgment Bullet was no pushover, either. It penetrated Velgrynd in the right shoulder, blew her entire right arm off, and then hit Ludora anyway, going as fast as ever

True dragons are ultimate power themselves, as velgrynd said abilities that follow the world rules will not outclass a true dragon, it's implying that lower abilities will not works on ultimate power.
In conclusions, it state that ultimate skill user is existing in higher plane than normal magic therfore they are unaffected by lower abilities unless the other party has ultimate power on their own so they get acausality 4.

Agree: @Nxdia00 @AzuRizzz @Catpija @CodeCCLL @Mafuuu @MrTim @Remus1998 @Tempestdragon6 @rainheart @Wikisource @Elizhaa @DeusExMachine001 @Bahaha @JV_DLS @DarkDragonMedeus @Da3ggman @Dereck03

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[Nxdia00]

Agree. Tbh, if True Dragon accepted to have Aca 4, then this should be accepted as well. The reason for TD's Aca 4 because they are Ultimate-level existence in the first place and need someone with Ultimate-level ability whether it Magic, Skill, Arts, Equipment, etc. Or being Ultimate-level existence themself to actually reach or harm TD.

 

[AzuRizzz]

Easily agree, i thought this was already in the profiles actually

 

[Catpija]

Agree

 

[WHYNAUT]

You should preferably add more context to the OP.
To someone who doesn't read the LN it just looks like a bunch of mentions of the word 'ultimate' and a vague statement about not following the laws of the world.

 

[CodeCCLL]

You should preferably add more context to the OP.
To someone who doesn't read the LN it just looks like a bunch of mentions of the word 'ultimate' and a vague statement about not following the laws of the world.

She opened with her trump card, 'Gravity Collapse,' right out of the gate. The scale was reduced in size as much as possible, thus increasing the intensity. The strongest attack that Carrera could currently muster hit Velgrynd, who was focused on Testarossa. Velgrynd was enveloped in a jet-black pillar that seemed to connect heaven and earth. The circular pillar, which was only big enough to hold a single person, was like a prison from which there was no escape. However... Velgrynd smiled fearlessly, remaining unperturbed in the cage of hypergravity.

"As expected of a demon overlord. Your magic is perfectly powerful. However, for so long as you are bound by the laws of this world your attack won't work against a True Dragon."

As if to prove her point, Velgrynd shattered the jet-black pillar from within. She raised her own mana and interfered with Carrera's magic, rendering it powerless. (Volume 15, Chapter 1)

“Still, I can perform research into it. And what I found was that in this world, magic is the power to interfere with the laws of nature. There’s a mysterious set of laws to this world—people call them the World Language—and when you earn a new power, or the value of your life rises in some way, like when you evolve, then that’s how nature tells you about it. Magic runs under the same rules as this World Language; when you cast the spell, it turns that nonphysical phenomenon into real life. And if you look at it the other way…”
Yuuki paused. I tried to guess where this was going. Look at it the other way…
“Everything has a cause and an effect, and if you figure out the laws behind all that, you might even be able to find a way home…is what you’re saying?” (Volume 4, Chapter 5)

 

[Shiraito983]

You should preferably add more context to the OP.
To someone who doesn't read the LN it just looks like a bunch of mentions of the word 'ultimate' and a vague statement about not following the laws of the world.

Ultimate was important in the series since ultimate skill/ultimate force was the pinnacle power

• Ultimate skill user was existing higher plane than magic base on worlds rule/law. They were unaffected by unique skill level below. Some were excluded but those user has ultimate force their own
• A true dragon was ultimate existence. Comparable to ultimate skill user without having one. therefore they need an attack that was not bound by the law of the world to harm them
• So having ultimate power like true dragons will grants you acausality type 4
• Having ultimate power makes you above the law of the world therefore they have Acausality Type 4

As @CodeCCLL last quote said. Cause and effect was part of the law, so ultimate skill user which is basically same as ultimate existence would be unaffected by attack that was bound by the law of the world that includes causality

 

[WHYNAUT]

Yeah, I know. That's what should be in the OP.

 

[Shiraito983]

Yeah, I know. That's what should be in the OP.

I misunderstood what you mean

 

[CodeCCLL]

I agree.

 

[Mafuuu]

If I'm not mistaken Dino who got the Ultimate Skill also managed to escape the rule where the Insect race is superior to Demon, I don't know if this can be used as additional evidence but I think this makes sense.

 

[MrTim]

Agree

 

[Remus1998]

Agreed

 

[Jozaysmith?]

You're one of the only serious fans in slime

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Agree

 

[rainheart]

Agree

 

[Wikisource]

Ok, is fine

 

[Elizhaa]

It seems alright, especially since cause and effect is part of the law of the world, which Ultimate Users should be unbound by. I
t is already accepted, like on Rimuru's profile: Ultimate skill users aren't bound by the laws of the world[22]
@Celestial_Pegasus what do you think?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

It seems alright, especially since cause and effect is part of the law of the world, which Ultimate Users should be unbound by. I
t is already accepted, like on Rimuru's profile: Ultimate skill users aren't bound by the laws of the world[22]
@Celestial_Pegasus what do you think?

Imma just sneak my thread here

 

[DeusExMachine001]

I did stated this on Acasualty 4 for True Dragons thread so I agree.

 

[Bahaha]

Agree. Shouldn't they also get Invulnerability?
Ultimate Skill should be condensed into a single Ultimate blog (for Ultimate Skill, Ultimate Gifts, Ultimate Existences, and Authorities) because being an "Ultimate" being not only gives you resistance but also skills, physiology, etc.

 

[JV_DLS]

I agree, this should definitely be implemented

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks okay, but will wait for Celestial Pegasus.

 

[Wikisource]

Agree. Shouldn't they also get Invulnerability?
Ultimate Skill should be condensed into a single Ultimate blog (for Ultimate Skill, Ultimate Gifts, Ultimate Existences, and Authorities) because being an "Ultimate" being not only gives you resistance but also skills, physiology, etc.

Whoever achieves the ultimate skill will have it.

 

[Nxdia00]

Agree. Shouldn't they also get Invulnerability?
Ultimate Skill should be condensed into a single Ultimate blog (for Ultimate Skill, Ultimate Gifts, Ultimate Existences, and Authorities) because being an "Ultimate" being not only gives you resistance but also skills, physiology, etc.

Yes, but should only given to Ultimate-level existence, including US/UG/UE user and Administrative user. Arguably Ultimate-level Equipment (God-Grade).

Not for Ultimate-level Magic user, Ultimate-level skill/authority user (outside of US and Administrative) like Ultimate-level Unique Skill, Lord of Heroes' Divine Protection, and other such cases.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Yes, but should only given to Ultimate-level existence, including US/UG/UE user and Administrative user. Arguably Ultimate-level Equipment (God-Grade).

Not for Ultimate-level Magic user, Ultimate-level skill/authority user (outside of US and Administrative) like Ultimate-level Unique Skill, Lord of Heroes' Divine Protection, and other such cases.

Pretty sure having a skill wont grant invulnerability at all
True dragon does cuz they are physically beyond world laws and all
Even some ultimate skill are weak to unique skills lol

 

[Nxdia00]

Pretty sure having a skill wont grant invulnerability at all
True dragon does cuz they are physically beyond world laws and all
Even some ultimate skill are weak to unique skills lol

The reason they are unbound is bcs they are Ultimate-level Existence and basically the reason we agreed with this thread. Hence why i said that.

Administrative Authority basically stated to make the user an Ultimate-level Existence and it just a replacement or substitution for an Ultimate Authority of Ultimate Skill.

 

[Shiraito983]

@Jordan911
Pretty sure the other party has ultimate force already like will/body or weapon or the other party lack mastery on ultimate skill , or the other is support type etc.

Either way only ultimate user and ultimate existence (true dragon/ dagrule etc) will get acausality 4. Just having ultimate force wont get acausality 4 but ability to interact with them. I still don't know if having god class equipment would give you acausality 4 but probably not

 

[Catpija]

Pretty sure having a skill wont grant invulnerability at all
True dragon does cuz they are physically beyond world laws and all
Even some ultimate skill are weak to unique skills lol

They are only vulnerable to a few set of unique skills, and its even stated that those skills are on Ultimate Skill level, so its more to the those unique skills being exceptionally stronger than the rest.
It would also explain why Ultimate Skill users aren't affected by any type of magic nor skill lower than Ultimate Skill

 

[Nxdia00]

They are only vulnerable to a few set of unique skills, and its even stated that those skills are on Ultimate Skill level, so its more to the those unique skills being exceptionally stronger than the rest.
It would also explain why Ultimate Skill users aren't affected by any type of magic nor skill lower than Ultimate Skill

Pretty much, basically Ultimate-level Authority outside US and Administrative. So it include Ultimate-level Unique Skill (Infinity Prison, Absolute Severance, Virtue and Sins series, etc) and boosted Unique Skill or other skill (Daemon Lord Diablo, Frey, Kagali, etc).

 

[Shiraito983]

They are only vulnerable to a few set of unique skills, and its even stated that those skills are on Ultimate Skill level, so its more to the those unique skills being exceptionally stronger than the rest.
It would also explain why Ultimate Skill users aren't affected by any type of magic nor skill lower than Ultimate Skill

There's only three skill directly said to be on ultimate level.
Infinite prison, absolute severance, chosen one

 

[Dereck03]

Acausality 4 seems fine from what i could read.

 

[Nxdia00]

There's only three skill directly said to be on ultimate level.
Infinite prison, absolute severance, chosen one

I believe those are what Catp meant.

 

[Catpija]

We already got 3 staffs approval. I think we can apply this now

 

[Jozaysmith?]

We already got 3 staffs approval. I think we can apply this now

Cp isnt coming @Shiraito983 so apply this now ask for the opening of all slime characters with ultimate skills like yuuki etc

 

[Jozaysmith?]

@Jordan911
Pretty sure the other party has ultimate force already like will/body or weapon or the other party lack mastery on ultimate skill , or the other is support type etc.

Either way only ultimate user and ultimate existence (true dragon/ dagrule etc) will get acausality 4. Just having ultimate force wont get acausality 4 but ability to interact with them. I still don't know if having god class equipment would give you acausality 4 but probably not

Alright

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Looks okay, but will wait for Celestial Pegasus.

He said he can't deal with slime now he have to mentally prepare himself first which would take time

 

[CodeCCLL]

The profiles of tensura characters (except form Rimuru) are already unlocked.

 

[Shiraito983]

So who's getting it?
I think its going for ultimate gift/ultimate skill only.
Having god class weapon whont make you unaffected by lower abilities. Same goes for having ultimate force and will.

 

[Nxdia00]

So who's getting it?
I think its going for ultimate gift/ultimate skill only.
Having god class weapon whont make you unaffected by lower abilities. Same goes for having ultimate force and will.

Yes, but should only given to Ultimate-level existence, including US/UG/UE user and Administrative user. Arguably Ultimate-level Equipment (God-Grade).

Not for Ultimate-level Magic user, Ultimate-level skill/authority user (outside of US and Administrative) like Ultimate-level Unique Skill, Lord of Heroes' Divine Protection, and other such cases.

My proposal. Equipment can be argued, but tbh, we better leave it out and just classified it with the Non Ultimate-level Existence including US/UG/UE holder and Administrative Authority (don't really have any representative at the moment).

Btw what about the invul? Bcs tbh, US/UG/UE or Administrative Authority holder basically an Ultimate-level existence too.