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TenSura LN Revision — Details on the Otherworld

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Agree with all
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(Saying this just because i want my name listed there too)
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
Oh btw, by rule, it is mandatory to explicitly define the characters that scale to the level proposed.

So I would advise you to list them, so the nerd staff member does not show up later to call you out over it.
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This:
Astral_Trinity439 said:
  • Dimensions being the Otherworld but with extra steps (Dimensional Wall etc.) essentially, as established in the cosmology blog, means Dimensions are also the same tier. Anyone who presently scales to them is L1-C (5-D)
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If I had to name them...
  • Octagram guys (some in all stats by pure strength and some in only AP/Striking Strength via their ultimates)
  • All True Dragons
  • All Guardians in their Ultimate key (only AP)
  • Ultimate Skill users (only AP)
  • All Primordials (only AP, via Nihility Magic)
  • VoTW
  • God
  • Cardinal World (as a location)
I think that's about all. I'll add it in the OP. Thanks for reminding heh
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
I'm also busy, but will follow for now.
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oh okay I apologize for bothering you while you're busy.

I finished reading the arguments and the cosmology blog.
The arguments make sense to me.

Multiple infinite-sized objects of N-dimension (in this case, space-time continuities of 4 Dimensions) that also do not overlap/intersect can only be separated by a higher-dimensional space. What matters after that is whether this "Space" is signficant in size or not.

The texts confirm that it is very much significant in size. Method 2 is also a good supporting evidence, and when looked at as a whole, I think Low 1-C is reasonable here.

Also, I think the part about visuals can be used to show the significance of the Otherworld, as "spheres of light" that a character can compare to in size, in a space that would be universal in size in their eyes, shows that those spheres are insignificant compared to the whole of the "Otherworld".
 
After reading the blog, I think Method 1 is definitely the stronger argument here.

The reasoning that multiple expanding 4D space-time continuums remain non-intersecting because they are separated through an additional axis is consistent with how vsb usually interprets higher-dimensional separation. The “Otherworld” also appears to function as a structure encompassing and separating worlds/universes rather than merely being another ordinary universe-sized realm, so I can understand the low 1-C interpretation for the cosmology itself.
 
RaikiKurohane99 said:
oh okay I apologize for bothering you while you're busy.

I finished reading the arguments and the cosmology blog.
The arguments make sense to me.

Multiple infinite-sized objects of N-dimension (in this case, space-time continuities of 4 Dimensions) that also do not overlap/intersect can only be separated by a higher-dimensional space. What matters after that is whether this "Space" is signficant in size or not.

The texts confirm that it is very much significant in size. Method 2 is also a good supporting evidence, and when looked at as a whole, I think Low 1-C is reasonable here.

Also, I think the part about visuals can be used to show the significance of the Otherworld, as "spheres of light" that a character can compare to in size, in a space that would be universal in size in their eyes, shows that those spheres are insignificant compared to the whole of the "Otherworld".
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Looks good to me.
 
SomebodyData said:
Method 1 works.

That said, not sure how I feel about the "Translation by @RaikiKurohane99 in Discord Dms"; if its allowed in the wiki, that's fine, but I would prefer to be able to directly see that, even in just a screenshot.
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Understandable. Though I've seen it being done elsewhere too many times so I thought it's fine, since Raiki can just confirm that they did it.
Vietthai96 said:
Oke, someone said my name was brought up (again)

Since you claims you are using my argument, can you give a TLDR of what exactly you are using?
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I'm using your method of parallel space-times, and that to separate infinite or Infinitely expanding parallel space-times that don't overlap or intersect, they need to be separated by a higher dimensional space (which is then backed up by Method 2 which outright makes it clear the Otherworld is outside the higher dimensional stage of the Suspended World, the latter being something that freezes all of space and time across all worlds and the user and those that can move in it fight in a higher dimension, separated by a dimensional barrier)

Referring to your thread on Neutral Space.
Vietthai96 said:
i should seriously thinking about copyright my name so anyone brought it up should get copyright-striked
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😱
May I get permission to say your name 🫰🍪
 
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The hell? I just checked and you guys have 3 admin votes already, what the point of me being here? Bruhhh

Anyway
Astral_Trinity439 said:
I'm using your method of parallel space-times, and that to separate infinite or Infinitely expanding parallel space-times that don't overlap or intersect, they need to be separated by a higher dimensional space (which is then backed up by Method 2 which outright makes it clear the Otherworld is outside the higher dimensional stage of the Suspended World, the latter being something that freezes all of space and time across all worlds and the user and those that can move in it fight in a higher dimension, separated by a dimensional barrier)
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My Neutral Zone thread is that about time dimension for the neutral zone, not really about space, that why i was asking what exactly you are arguing for, using my arguments

Anyway before i evaluate, i need some simplified clarification

1. The Otherworld contains multiple Low 2-C universes?

2. You want to say that the Otherworld is the separator that separate those universes?

3. And because the Otherworld is large enough it is Low 1-C?
 
Vietthai96 said:
The hell? I just checked and you guys have 3 admin votes already, what the point of me being here? Bruhhh
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The more the merrier 🍪
Vietthai96 said:
Anyway

My Neutral Zone thread is that about time dimension for the neutral zone, not really about space, that why i was asking what exactly you are arguing for, using my arguments
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It was also about space tho 🙃
Based on tiering logic, this would place Neutral Space at 5-dimensional (5D). However, it would not qualify as Low 1-C, as that would require proof that this higher spatial axis has significant extent. That said, there may be alternative arguments that could establish such significance and potentially justify a Low 1-C tier
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Anyway before i evaluate, i need some simplified clarification

1. The Otherworld contains multiple Low 2-C universes?
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Yes, and that is accepted in the cosmology blog and previous staff threads.
Vietthai96 said:
2. You want to say that the Otherworld is the separator that separate those universes?
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That has already been accepted, we just didn't argue if it was significant or not before.
The Otherworld, also known as Dimensional Space, is the Space that transcend Time, the container of Worlds, both Physical Worlds and Spiritual Worlds, being the space between them. They contain multiple worlds, and they themselves exist in multiple inside the Inter-Dimensional Gap, that is, Subspace.
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And from method 2 of the CRT, the Otherworld at least contains a higher dimensional place beyond 4D, so it should upscale from that too.

I think there was a CRT similar to this, where the argument was that the universe contains a 5D object so it's 5D, and cuz it's significat size then it's Low 1-C. That is method 2 tho.
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. And because the Otherworld is large enough it is Low 1-C?
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Yeh, to be precise it's significant in size, the universes are insignificant compared to it (read Raiki's post a bit above on this page), etc.
 
Vietthai96 said:
My Neutral Zone thread is that about time dimension for the neutral zone, not really about space, that why i was asking what exactly you are arguing for, using my arguments
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Ummm?
In order for Neutral Space to contain these 4-dimensional macrocosms—which are parallel to each other and do not interact regardless of expansion—it would require displacement along a higher-dimensional axis, namely an additional spatial dimension beyond the standard three. This would ensure that no matter how far these macrocosms extend, they would never intersect or overlap.

Additionally, Neutral Space should be at least 2-C or larger in scale, as it is capable of containing 12 separate 4-dimensional macrocosms, each with its own independent time dimension.

Based on tiering logic, this would place Neutral Space at 5-dimensional (5D). However, it would not qualify as Low 1-C, as that would require proof that this higher spatial axis has significant extent. That said, there may be alternative arguments that could establish such significance and potentially justify a Low 1-C tier
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