The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

[Lou_change]

So set theory is has gone that far from their throne?

The whole point of the set of all sets is that technically it is the biggest number.
Are we trying to trade math the bedrock for every other part of the tiering system for philosophy at the very end?

 

[CanineAnnoyer]

So set theory is has gone that far from their throne?

The whole point of the set of all sets is that technically it is the biggest number.
Are we trying to trade math the bedrock for every other part of the tiering system for philosophy at the very end?

yes

 

[Tdjwo]

Philosophy is Maths' daddy.

 

[Livinmeme]

The problem is that I believe Chinese verses disqualify themselves by making all their levels of existence accessible via some amount of hierarchical ascendance.

Like, the "Dao," as a lone concept, most likely qualifies for Tier 0 in the same way I think the Monad, Form of Good, Brahman, Supreme Ultimate Reality, and etc... would also be Tier 0.

But Xianxia often has characters become one with the Dao, or even "transcend" the Dao, which disqualifies it.

Journey to the west. Characters were they reach "absolute omnipotence"

Gao Chuan (Yin Tian Shen Yin)

Gao Chuan, originally hailing from Earth, was unexpectedly transported to an unknown world under mysterious circumstances. In this new realm, he was lucky enough to stumbled upon a core, a repository of ancient wisdom of long forgotten age that many believed was destroyed. With this core...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Iiliminal]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

Below Goku's finger.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

Chinamen fodder.

 

[Rikimarox2]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

Saitama victim

 

[Livinmeme]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

Utterly annihilated by Ban midou

 

[deonment]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things

Common Pack Filler

 

[deonment]

Utterly annihilated by Ban midou

Get Backers jumpscare

 

[Ben_CleverName]

So set theory is has gone that far from their throne?

The whole point of the set of all sets is that technically it is the biggest number.
Are we trying to trade math the bedrock for every other part of the tiering system for philosophy at the very end?

I assume you mean class of all sets because nobody likes Russel's Paradox.
The class of all sets is not "the biggest number". It's not a number at all... and there is no such thing as a "biggest number" in Set Theory.

 

[Lou_change]

I assume you mean class of all sets because nobody likes Russel's Paradox.
The class of all sets is not "the biggest number". It's not a number at all... and there is no such thing as a "biggest number" in Set Theory.

Not well-founded set theory and yeah my bad

 

[Rayfire]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

Gets negged by a pre-schooler

 

[Agnaa]

So set theory is has gone that far from their throne?

Yes.

The whole point of the set of all sets is that technically it is the biggest number.

No it isn't. The point of it is to highlight a paradox. And in finding a way to avoid that paradox (defining classes; something which can hold sets but aren't sets), we can find an endless series of yet larger constructs. After the class of all sets, we can have the conglomerate of all classes, the collection of all conglomerates, and so on ad infinitum.

Are we trying to trade math the bedrock for every other part of the tiering system for philosophy at the very end?

Yes, that is explicitly the goal of the people leading the revision.

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

We stop waffling.

 

[Karabach-barabach]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

Caveman solo

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

unknown tier since said character is featless

 

[Rayfire]

what do we do for characters that are unbound by any hierarchy whatsoever, all-encompassing, cannot be reduced or fractured, formless in nature and beyond human comprehension, preceding and exceeding all dualities and polarities, all of them equal in power being absolute in the most literal sense, as there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition them, are subject to no other power, for there is no other power, and all stem from the unique primordial sea of conceptual essence, the origin of all things
but this kinda doesnt qualify for tier 0 due to a few things

It's so utterly fodder that we'd have to make tier 12 just so it can go on the wiki

 

[Deidalius]

Lol, everyone's jumping Liliminal XD

 

[Wesker018]

the effect of repeating the same joke quadrillion times

 

[Livinmeme]

the effect of repeating the same joke quadrillion times

The joke is that verse made for vs scaling, it deserves to be ganged upon because it has not quality, just endless wank.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

where would transcending the dual conceptual platonic concept of the supreme monadic ultimate god scale

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

where would transcending the dual conceptual platonic concept of the supreme monadic ultimate god scale

Typical Chinamen tier.

 

[Rayfire]

where would transcending the dual conceptual platonic concept of the supreme monadic ultimate god scale

They don't even fit on the tiering system. They are so weak that we'd need a tier thats bigger than infinity. They get no concept of diffed by a tier 11-C character. They would be banned from the wiki because they are so weak they are nowhere close to being worth making a profile out of. They are the weakest character in all of fiction PERIOD. Even anya solos

 

[Iiliminal]

We stop waffling.

im genuienly asking because idk

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

They don't even fit on the tiering system. They are so weak that we'd need a tier thats bigger than infinity. They get no concept of diffed by a tier 11-C character. They would be banned from the wiki because they are so weak they are nowhere close to being worth making a profile out of. They are the weakest character in all of fiction PERIOD. Even anya solos

fax fax no cap

 

[Rayfire]

im genuienly asking because idk

We'd need a tier 12 to fit it on the wiki it's so weak, i just told you lol

 

[Iiliminal]

can someone give me an actual answer

 

[Livinmeme]

can someone give me an actual answer

.....Y-Nah

 

[Rayfire]

can someone give me an actual answer

Ok fine

I haven't read the thing so idk, Somewhere in tier 1 tho

 

[Iiliminal]

Ok fine

I haven't read the thing so idk, Somewhere in tier 1 tho

they already transcend a High 1-A verse and unbound by any hierarchy my problem is that they wouldnt qualify for tier 0 because of a few things, so all that stays is High 1-A+ and that seems like a weird ass tier to give them

 

[Rayfire]

they already transcend a High 1-A verse and unbound by any hierarchy my problem is that they wouldnt qualify for tier 0 because of a few things, so all that stays is High 1-A+ and that seems like a weird ass tier to give them

Oh, if they are High 1-A but arent 0 according to you then they'd just stay at High 1-A. High 1-A+ sounds a lil goofy, but that's true for most tiers. If the mods let you then that'd be fine, but i don't know if +'s can be used on tier 1's tho

 

[Rayfire]

OR what i would do: Make a tier 0.5 for it

 

[Iiliminal]

tier 0 is fodder to Gokuversal tier

 

[Rayfire]

tier 0 is fodder to Gokuversal tier

This ain't joke battles lil bro

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Go / Jo solo Goku.

 

[Wesker018]

tier 0 is fodder to Gokuversal tier

 

[Iiliminal]

Memeverse >>>> 99% all ficrtion

 

[Phoenks]

This thread is nothing but shitposts now

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

After 101 pages and waiting for Ultima, no wonder.