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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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Also according to Ultima you can have multiple tier 0 characters but not multiple tier 0 beings.
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any clarification on that ? could you send the quote?
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On discord he essentially said that you can have multiple characters (who are tier 0 in some form) who represent or are connected to a monad being but you can't have multiple monad beings. Don't have any exact quotes but what I remember.
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Ah okay, I understand. I guess that'd make sense with the root then.
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Of course I wake up to people managing to turn this thread into "SCP bad 
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And of course people use the same nonsensical argument of "It's become ridden with powerscaling!!" (ignoring how the vast majority of authors, including the ones responsible for some of the modern tiers, either don't care about Vs Debating or actively despise it).
It's almost like both off-site SCP "supporters" and SCP haters alike don't actually read anything on the site and just say stuff based on gut feeling or vague impressions they get from our profiles.
".And of course people use the same nonsensical argument of "It's become ridden with powerscaling!!" (ignoring how the vast majority of authors, including the ones responsible for some of the modern tiers, either don't care about Vs Debating or actively despise it).
It's almost like both off-site SCP "supporters" and SCP haters alike don't actually read anything on the site and just say stuff based on gut feeling or vague impressions they get from our profiles.
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Of course I wake up to people managing to turn this thread into "SCP bad
And of course people use the same nonsensical argument of "It's become ridden with powerscaling!!" (ignoring how the vast majority of authors, including the ones responsible for some of the modern tiers, either don't care about Vs Debating or actively despise it).
It's almost like both off-site SCP "supporters" and SCP haters alike don't actually read anything on the site and just say stuff based on gut feeling or vague impressions they get from our profiles.
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For High 1-A, WoD and (probably) SCP, as always.
And WoD would have a Tier 0 too.
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Anos irrelevant layers into high boundless for his very existence >>>>>>
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I just realized. With this, the arguments of, "3D hax won't work on a 5D being" go out of the window since qualitive superiority isn't equalized with quantitative superiority.
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So smurf hax is an obsolete concept top now?
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Yep.
Maybe there could be smurfs with 1-A hax, but that would violate Ultima's proposal in my opinion.
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Wouldn't range be required instead
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Based on the spirit of Ultima's proposed tiering system, my guess is that characters lower than 1-A wouldn't be able to affect 1-A characters for the same reason why fictional characters can't affect real people, so smurfs with 1-A hax would be an anti feat for the 1-A character(s) they are affecting.
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That makes sense. I eas talking about let's say
3D law hax vs 5D being with no resistance to it
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Nope. Theoretically, a higher D being may be able to hide in higher space, but they would have to show they can do that in the first place. It wouldn't be assumed.
Lower reality is supposed equivalent to an empty set, if a character has 1A hax, that means a character with the value of nothing can affect the higher level which is kind of an oxymoron.
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In terms of hax it will literally be the same as 4D vs 5D, so it won't be anti-feat it will depend on context like everything on the Wiki.
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I don't think it's an oxymoron. If you have a 10-B character with 1-A hax, clearly it's not the 10-B stats overpowering the 1-A stuff in order to attack. It's just a 10-B character that just so happens to have powers capable of interacting with 1-A things. Or sometimes it can just be a 1-A character that has a 10-B avatar or something. It's not more contradictory than our current smurf stuff in that regard.
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We will have to see how the standards are specifically written out and how cases are handled. It could be very well that an avatar of a 1-A may not be given 1-A rating in the lower levels.
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I mean yeah obviously this avatar wouldn't be 1-A physically but if they can draw upon some powers from their true selves in order to do stuff it would, in fact, be smurfy hax. And that isn't contradictory to their 1-Aness.
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You'd think this would solve the faults.
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No, Saikou. More or so- "why is Monty python and the holy grail suddenly canon here?" Or "why tf do we have characters that are an exact copy from another verse but in 2D" type thing. It's starting to take on the copycat vibe ya'know?Of course I wake up to people managing to turn this thread into "SCP bad
And of course people use the same nonsensical argument of "It's become ridden with powerscaling!!" (ignoring how the vast majority of authors, including the ones responsible for some of the modern tiers, either don't care about Vs Debating or actively despise it).
It's almost like both off-site SCP "supporters" and SCP haters alike don't actually read anything on the site and just say stuff based on gut feeling or vague impressions they get from our profiles.
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Yeah it's almost like a setting based on our own world (like most fictional settings in existence) would also have the fiction from our world exist in it. It just so happens that the common theme of pataphysical stuff means interactions with said fiction is occasionally a little more in-depth. It's no less of a "copycat" verse than any other verse that happens to reference other fictional settings it doesn't have the copyright to but is otherwise wholly original (Ungalo springs to mind as an example, as it does explicitly reference things by name that it doesn't have the rights to).
It's not comparable to verses whose entire identity is using the copyright of other verses.
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Here's the thing, they are not canon in the form of references, They are canon in the form of being a copy of the original, stated to have the capacity to kill this character from another verse or simply something that inserts itself into a medium (that got AVA banned) that is from another verse; SCP-3166, SCP-3167, SCP-4335, SCP-3450 and etc.
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AVA got banned because Animation vs Minecraft was half of the verses content.
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Not because it vs Minecraft. It was because it commonly uses Minecraft stuff as a medium for practically almost every single thing from building to items and npcs.
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It's practically irrefutable at this point. The Journey Through the Afterlife story literally goes out of its way to say "lol yeah there's this infinitely-layered thing that characters scale to, with the bottom layer being conveniently exactly like Plato's Theory of Forms, and each layer transcends the world below it to the same extent that the World of Forms transcends the particulars." It also goes out of its way to name-drop a bunch of other philosophical/religious concepts (and even linking them) and then saying "Oh yeah all those things exist inside here too". It's honestly kind of cringe.
Edit: Here's my favorite passage from the post, and what makes it painfully obvious that it's meant to be powerscale hypebeasting:
They don't even call them platonic forms here, they call them platonic concepts lol
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I mean, that's how it is supposed to work unless a story uses dimensions differently, AFAIK.
A 5D extradimensional being may and can still be existing in 3D space.
Just that lots of extradimensional entities are portrayed to be transcendent and imperceptible and so on, really contextual for these cases.
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They're 11-A beings capable of entering fictional mediums and beating up 11-A versions of the characters. None of that actually apply to any real stats or any actual form of scaling and we don't in fact use this for scaling (at least to my knowledge, I don't know if a bad CRT happened behind my back). The characters do not physically exist in the verse and are either actually, genuinely fiction or other anomalies that were made in the shape of fictional characters. I don't think we'd be deleting a verse if characters were throwing hands with someone in a Mickey costume or anything. And, again, Ungalo is quite literally the same thing except probably worse, given how they're actually brought to life physically with their same abilities.
I don't know much about AvA, but to my knowledge, it seems to be entire seasons worth of crossovers with Minecraft. That's a rather large chunk of the series dedicated to having the characters interact with Minecraft content. Once again, quite different than a very small portion of the verse dealing with this kind of content in a way that doesn't apply to actual stats to any degree.
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What you say makes sense, albeit I have no idea what or who Ungalo is.
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Finally someone with common sense lol
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STOP IT.
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The points you gave are only related to 3167. What about the others? Also, the profiles of shelock homes and gandalf are linked from its profile in the manifestation key in the attack potency section.
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SCP-3922 is above tier 11 for harming characters from other works. Though I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that, yes, there was in fact a bad CRT that happened behind your back. (or you were just unaware of the profile)
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This guy who can bring fiction to life,many copyrighted characters like Astro Boy,Kenshiro,Spider-man and Mickey Mouse get mentioned or shown during his story arc but no one would try to get JoJo's off the wiki because of this since he makes up a very small portion of the overall verse,just like SCP.
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