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HaxSo what exactly do they scale to?
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HaxSo what exactly do they scale to?
any clarification on that ? could you send the quote?Also according to Ultima you can have multiple tier 0 characters but not multiple tier 0 beings.
On discord he essentially said that you can have multiple characters (who are tier 0 in some form) who represent or are connected to a monad being but you can't have multiple monad beings. Don't have any exact quotes but what I remember.any clarification on that ? could you send the quote?
Ah okay, I understand. I guess that'd make sense with the root then.On discord he essentially said that you can have multiple characters (who are tier 0 in some form) who represent or are connected to a monad being but you can't have multiple monad beings. Don't have any exact quotes but what I remember.
Of course I wake up to people managing to turn this thread into "SCP bad ".
And of course people use the same nonsensical argument of "It's become ridden with powerscaling!!" (ignoring how the vast majority of authors, including the ones responsible for some of the modern tiers, either don't care about Vs Debating or actively despise it).
It's almost like both off-site SCP "supporters" and SCP haters alike don't actually read anything on the site and just say stuff based on gut feeling or vague impressions they get from our profiles.
For High 1-A, WoD and (probably) SCP, as always.So if Ultimas thread passes. Who would be the strongest 1-A's, H1-A's and 0's?
Anos irrelevant layers into high boundless for his very existence >>>>>>Goku victims
So smurf hax is an obsolete concept top now?I just realized. With this, the arguments of, "3D hax won't work on a 5D being" go out of the window since qualitive superiority isn't equalized with quantitative superiority.
Yep.So smurf hax is an obsolete concept top now?
Wouldn't range be required insteadI just realized. With this, the arguments of, "3D hax won't work on a 5D being" go out of the window since qualitive superiority isn't equalized with quantitative superiority.
How so?Yep.
Maybe there could be smurfs with 1-A hax, but that would violate Ultima's proposal in my opinion.
How so?
Really haven't been keeping up with all the changes lol
That makes sense. I eas talking about let's say1-A smurf fear hax is possible given that fiction can scare real people
Based on the spirit of Ultima's proposed tiering system, my guess is that characters lower than 1-A wouldn't be able to affect 1-A characters for the same reason why fictional characters can't affect real people, so smurfs with 1-A hax would be an anti feat for the 1-A character(s) they are affecting.
Nope. Theoretically, a higher D being may be able to hide in higher space, but they would have to show they can do that in the first place. It wouldn't be assumed.Wouldn't range be required instead
How so?
Really haven't been keeping up with all the changes lol
In terms of hax it will literally be the same as 4D vs 5D, so it won't be anti-feat it will depend on context like everything on the Wiki.1-A smurf fear hax is possible given that fiction can scare real people
Based on the spirit of Ultima's proposed tiering system, my guess is that characters lower than 1-A wouldn't be able to affect 1-A characters for the same reason why fictional characters can't affect real people, so smurfs with 1-A hax would be an anti feat for the 1-A character(s) they are affecting.
I don't think it's an oxymoron. If you have a 10-B character with 1-A hax, clearly it's not the 10-B stats overpowering the 1-A stuff in order to attack. It's just a 10-B character that just so happens to have powers capable of interacting with 1-A things. Or sometimes it can just be a 1-A character that has a 10-B avatar or something. It's not more contradictory than our current smurf stuff in that regard.Nope. Theoretically, a higher D being may be able to hide in higher space, but they would have to show they can do that in the first place. It wouldn't be assumed.
Lower reality is supposed equivalent to an empty set, if a character has 1A hax, that means a character with the value of nothing can affect the higher level which is kind of an oxymoron.
We will have to see how the standards are specifically written out and how cases are handled. It could be very well that an avatar of a 1-A may not be given 1-A rating in the lower levels.I don't think it's an oxymoron. If you have a 10-B character with 1-A hax, clearly it's not the 10-B stats overpowering the 1-A stuff in order to attack. It's just a 10-B character that just so happens to have powers capable of interacting with 1-A things. Or sometimes it can just be a 1-A character that has a 10-B avatar or something. It's not more contradictory than our current smurf stuff in that regard.
You'd think this would solve the faults.
No, Saikou. More or so- "why is Monty python and the holy grail suddenly canon here?" Or "why tf do we have characters that are an exact copy from another verse but in 2D" type thing. It's starting to take on the copycat vibe ya'know?Of course I wake up to people managing to turn this thread into "SCP bad ".
And of course people use the same nonsensical argument of "It's become ridden with powerscaling!!" (ignoring how the vast majority of authors, including the ones responsible for some of the modern tiers, either don't care about Vs Debating or actively despise it).
It's almost like both off-site SCP "supporters" and SCP haters alike don't actually read anything on the site and just say stuff based on gut feeling or vague impressions they get from our profiles.
Yeah it's almost like a setting based on our own world (like most fictional settings in existence) would also have the fiction from our world exist in it. It just so happens that the common theme of pataphysical stuff means interactions with said fiction is occasionally a little more in-depth. It's no less of a "copycat" verse than any other verse that happens to reference other fictional settings it doesn't have the copyright to but is otherwise wholly original (Ungalo springs to mind as an example, as it does explicitly reference things by name that it doesn't have the rights to).No, Saikou. More or so- "why is Monty python and the holy grail suddenly canon here?" Or "why tf do we have characters that are an exact copy from another verse but in 2D" type thing. It's starting to take on the copycat vibe ya'know?
Here's the thing, they are not canon in the form of references, They are canon in the form of being a copy of the original, stated to have the capacity to kill this character from another verse or simply something that inserts itself into a medium (that got AVA banned) that is from another verse; SCP-3166, SCP-3167, SCP-4335, SCP-3450 and etc.Yeah it's almost like a setting based on our own world (like most fictional settings in existence) would also have the fiction from our world exist in it. It just so happens that the common theme of pataphysical stuff means interactions with said fiction is occasionally a little more in-depth. It's no less of a "copycat" verse than any other verse that happens to reference other fictional settings it doesn't have the copyright to but is otherwise wholly original (Ungalo springs to mind as an example, as it does explicitly reference things by name that it doesn't have the rights to).
It's not comparable to verses whose entire identity is using the copyright of other verses.
AVA got banned because Animation vs Minecraft was half of the verses content.Here's the thing, they are not canon in the form of references, They are canon in the form of being a copy of the original, stated to have the capacity to kill this character from another verse or simply something that inserts itself into a medium (that got AVA banned) that is from another verse; SCP-3166, SCP-3167, SCP-4335, SCP-3450 and etc.
Not because it vs Minecraft. It was because it commonly uses Minecraft stuff as a medium for practically almost every single thing from building to items and npcs.AVA got banned because Animation vs Minecraft was half of the verses content.
@Saikou_The_Lewd_KingHere's the thing, they are not canon in the form of references, They are canon in the form of being a copy of the original, stated to have the capacity to kill this character from another verse or simply something that inserts itself into a medium (that got AVA banned) that is from another verse; SCP-3166, SCP-3167, SCP-4335, SCP-3450 and etc.
It's practically irrefutable at this point. The Journey Through the Afterlife story literally goes out of its way to say "lol yeah there's this infinitely-layered thing that characters scale to, with the bottom layer being conveniently exactly like Plato's Theory of Forms, and each layer transcends the world below it to the same extent that the World of Forms transcends the particulars." It also goes out of its way to name-drop a bunch of other philosophical/religious concepts (and even linking them) and then saying "Oh yeah all those things exist inside here too". It's honestly kind of cringe.Saying "probably" is underselling it by a lot
“You see, Plato created an idea that there exists a world of forms. An idealistic, abstract realm where things called “platonic concepts” existed. These platonic concepts were described by him as “perfect”, transcending your physical universe, governing over even the archetypal concepts of space and time. Their forms are always constant, forever unchanging. Now these concepts cast shadows into the physical universe below, creating flawed versions of themselves.” Enoch explained. “You see, such a realm does exist below us. However, while Plato was correct about his theory, his perspective of “perfection” was flawed. Bound and tainted by his human mind, he could not comprehend what True Perfection looked like. Where we stand here. The first level of the afterlife is the beginning of “True Perfection”. The world of forms to your world of forms.”
I mean, that's how it is supposed to work unless a story uses dimensions differently, AFAIK.I just realized. With this, the arguments of, "3D hax won't work on a 5D being" go out of the window since qualitive superiority isn't equalized with quantitative superiority.
They're 11-A beings capable of entering fictional mediums and beating up 11-A versions of the characters. None of that actually apply to any real stats or any actual form of scaling and we don't in fact use this for scaling (at least to my knowledge, I don't know if a bad CRT happened behind my back). The characters do not physically exist in the verse and are either actually, genuinely fiction or other anomalies that were made in the shape of fictional characters. I don't think we'd be deleting a verse if characters were throwing hands with someone in a Mickey costume or anything. And, again, Ungalo is quite literally the same thing except probably worse, given how they're actually brought to life physically with their same abilities.Here's the thing, they are not canon in the form of references, They are canon in the form of being a copy of the original, stated to have the capacity to kill this character from another verse or simply something that inserts itself into a medium (that got AVA banned) that is from another verse; SCP-3166, SCP-3167, SCP-4335, SCP-3450 and etc.
What you say makes sense, albeit I have no idea what or who Ungalo is.They're 11-A beings capable of entering fictional mediums and beating up 11-A versions of the characters. None of that actually apply to any real stats or any actual form of scaling and we don't in fact use this for scaling (at least to my knowledge, I don't know if a bad CRT happened behind my back). The characters do not physically exist in the verse and are either actually, genuinely fiction or other anomalies that were made in the shape of fictional characters. I don't think we'd be deleting a verse if characters were throwing hands with someone in a Mickey costume or anything. And, again, Ungalo is quite literally the same thing except probably worse, given how they're actually brought to life physically with their same abilities.
I don't know much about AvA, but to my knowledge, it seems to be entire seasons worth of crossovers with Minecraft. That's a rather large chunk of the series dedicated to having the characters interact with Minecraft content. Once again, quite different than a very small portion of the verse dealing with this kind of content in a way that doesn't apply to actual stats to any degree.
Finally someone with common sense lolThough, personally, I think SCP should be removed as well. Whether you want to admit it or not, I think the verse's extended canon and material has become littered with powerscaling. I mean, even those QnAs you provide seem very focused on it, which makes me believe it's a huge part of the community even more.
STOP IT.Finally someone with common sense lol
The points you gave are only related to 3167. What about the others? Also, the profiles of shelock homes and gandalf are linked from its profile in the manifestation key in the attack potency section.They're 11-A beings capable of entering fictional mediums and beating up 11-A versions of the characters. None of that actually apply to any real stats or any actual form of scaling and we don't in fact use this for scaling (at least to my knowledge, I don't know if a bad CRT happened behind my back). The characters do not physically exist in the verse and are either actually, genuinely fiction or other anomalies that were made in the shape of fictional characters. I don't think we'd be deleting a verse if characters were throwing hands with someone in a Mickey costume or anything. And, again, Ungalo is quite literally the same thing except probably worse, given how they're actually brought to life physically with their same abilities.
SCP-3922 is above tier 11 for harming characters from other works. Though I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that, yes, there was in fact a bad CRT that happened behind your back. (or you were just unaware of the profile)They're 11-A beings capable of entering fictional mediums and beating up 11-A versions of the characters. None of that actually apply to any real stats or any actual form of scaling and we don't in fact use this for scaling (at least to my knowledge, I don't know if a bad CRT happened behind my back). The characters do not physically exist in the verse and are either actually, genuinely fiction or other anomalies that were made in the shape of fictional characters. I don't think we'd be deleting a verse if characters were throwing hands with someone in a Mickey costume or anything. And, again, Ungalo is quite literally the same thing except probably worse, given how they're actually brought to life physically with their same abilities.
This guy who can bring fiction to life,many copyrighted characters like Astro Boy,Kenshiro,Spider-man and Mickey Mouse get mentioned or shown during his story arc but no one would try to get JoJo's off the wiki because of this since he makes up a very small portion of the overall verse,just like SCP.What you say makes sense, albeit I have no idea what or who Ungalo is.