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The world's only Tenten upscale CRT. Is Kurosuki Family Removal Mission Arc becoming a canon?

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This arc was considered non-canon because it wasn't in the manga. I'll explain why it should be canon, and then I'll discuss the AP and speed upgrades.

1) In this arc, Raiga has a daughter named Buntan, whom he himself doesn't even know about. Buntan appears in the Boruto series and wants revenge on Naruto. This is because Naruto killed Buntan's father, Raiga (though not directly; he committed suicide at the end of the battle with Naruto and his friends, but Buntan interprets this as Naruto killing him, which isn't entirely wrong).

Because of her hatred for Naruto, she also wanted to kill Boruto (the first sentence of the video I linked).

2) In this CRT, all anime episodes of Boruto were considered canon. Even before this CRT, the arc featuring Buntan was considered canon. However, for those who might object, we learn from a conversation between Ao and Boruto that the events leading up to Boruto's encounter with Buntan took place. So, even though Buntan doesn't appear in the Boruto manga, the episodes where Boruto encounters Buntan are canon. Buntan is a canon character, and since he mentions his father Raiga, Raiga is also canon.

SCALING

Lee can react to Raiga's lightning. The calculation for Lee's reaction speed feat scales him to MHS. I think we should use this for upgrading from this arc onwards, not for upgrading past episodes. Of course, I'm open to other ideas; I can't think of any evidence regarding Kimimaro or Gaara being scaled. Since characters can constantly evolve, I thought that Lee in this arc might have become faster than Kimimaro.

With the 5x amp given by the first gate, it becomes MHS+.

Tenten can fight Raiga for a while. If we scale Raiga's power to 8-A tier characters like Neji, Naruto, and Lee, Tenten should also be 8-A. This also upgrades Ten Ten's Shippuuden 8-B rating to 8-A. She'd also become MHS in terms of speed.

Also, Tenten is strong enough to bind Raiga with his chains. Therefore, he should be scaled to LS. Probably Raiga LS will also scale to Neji and Naruto. So now we have Class K Tenten.

Neji's key in this arc will also be MHS. Faster than the previous value.

Base Naruto's key in this arc will also be MHS. Faster than the previous value.

Ranmaru's dojutsu isn't affected by the Byakugan. Should I create a Ranmaru profile? He'd be a 10-C genjutsu character.

I haven't created profiles for Ranmaru and Raiga yet. Let's discuss them for now, and if it's agreed, I'll create a profile for Raiga.

Edit: I've created a rough profile for Raiga. I'm open to suggestions. The Hax section has the same Hax abilities as most shinobi; I've added resistance, assuming he might be able to withstand Zabuza's aura.
 
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I hate to say it but I'm not really convinced. The canon can use aspects of non-canon material without being canon itself.

Best example is the blood prison movie. The movie undeniably cannot exist in the canon timeline because it blatantly contradicts it to a frankly ridiculous degree, and yet the Kakashi Hiden novel brings up the existence of the main villain Mui and the Hozuki Castle that originated in the movie.

So same way the Blood Prison movie isn't canon despite some of its aspects being brought up later, I don't think we can really say this filler is canon just because Buntans dad was brought in canon.
 
DavidTPPM said:
I hate to say it but I'm not really convinced. The canon can use aspects of non-canon material without being canon itself.

Best example is the blood prison movie. The movie undeniably cannot exist in the canon timeline because it blatantly contradicts it to a frankly ridiculous degree, and yet the Kakashi Hiden novel brings up the existence of the main villain Mui and the Hozuki Castle that originated in the movie.

So same way the Blood Prison movie isn't canon despite some of its aspects being brought up later, I don't think we can really say this filler is canon just because Buntans dad was brought in canon.
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That's not really the case though.
The movie would've been canon if not for the massive contradictions that take place with the movie in context of the overarching plot. As in, the events within and of the movie itself is contradictory to the story. It's because of that, (and the lack of involvement of Kishimoto iirc) that we do not accept the events of the movie as canon.

The Kakashi novel specifically references that Mui and the Castle were taken down by Konoha and Kumo, which means in canon this event DID happen, but the specifics, that aren't in the novel, (aka the movie itself) are not canon.

The biggest issue with this arc, which I had briefly mentioned in the general thread, is that in the anime, Raiga eventually becomes a Swordsman of the Mist after he meets Ranmaru, which contradicts what Kishimoto had wrote years later. Kishimoto had it so that Raiga had become a Swordsman DECADES before his death, which is inconsistent because Ranmaru is just a little kid and iirc paired up with Raiga within the same arc he was killed, so it just doesn't work. AKA Kishimoto retconned Raiga's story in that anime filler.

HOWEVER, with the story of Buntan (which was written by the anime studio who Kodachi [the OG Boruto writer], directly oversaw and even referenced within the manga itself, as well as has a novel adaptation), she states that her father, Raiga was killed by Naruto, which is in line with how he had died in the anime storyline, which contradicts Kishimoto.

*I'd also like to mention, that Raiga's story, under Kishimoto's pen is very, very inconsequential. His story literally revolves around fighting Might Dai, and somehow surviving. He himself has no plot relevance in the story at all under Kishimoto and not only that he was originally an anime character before becoming a manga character (like Sumire) which is why there are VERY minor inconsistencies (like with Sumire).

Tl;DR: I think this is fine. Raiga's story was retconned by Kishimoto, and then again retconned by Kodachi to be in line with the anime arc. The same Kodachi whom Kishimoto had passed the torch to, but also oversaw Kodachi's work (in the manga). Considering the fact that Kishimoto's rendition of Raiga was very lackluster, the retcon doesn't break the story at all nor does it cause any troubling issues.
 
DavidTPPM said:
I hate to say it but I'm not really convinced. The canon can use aspects of non-canon material without being canon itself.

Best example is the blood prison movie. The movie undeniably cannot exist in the canon timeline because it blatantly contradicts it to a frankly ridiculous degree, and yet the Kakashi Hiden novel brings up the existence of the main villain Mui and the Hozuki Castle that originated in the movie.

So same way the Blood Prison movie isn't canon despite some of its aspects being brought up later, I don't think we can really say this filler is canon just because Buntans dad was brought in canon.
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Damage3245 said:
David makes sense to me.
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As Nierre said, the reason we consider the Blood Prison movie non-canon is the inconsistencies in the plot. I haven't seen the movie, but I suspect there's something about Naruto meeting Raikage before it should have happened. The only thing I remember and have heard about the movie is Raikage imprisoning him.

For example, Nozomi's clan in Bleach appears in CFYOW, but the arc Nozomi is in can't be canon because even though it's after Ichigo lost his powers, he still has them and can even access forms like hollowfication. But in the arc I suggest as canon, there's no such thing as the filler arcs in Bleach. It happens while Naruto is waiting for Jiraiya to take him for training. It's after the final Rift fight with Sasuke. There's no situation where Naruto, like Ichigo, should have lost his powers but then regains them.

Just as Sumire was added to the manga later and is considered canon, the same is true for Raiga. If Buntan hadn't mentioned that Naruto killed Raiga, we would have said, "Raiga is canon, but the events leading up to his encounter with Naruto might be non-canon." It's similar to how Muramasa is mentioned in the canon novel of Bleach. Muramasa is Koga Kuchiki's zanpaktou in the filler arc, but the canon novel alters its story, making it the Kuchiki family's personal zanpaktou. While we consider the Muramasa zanpaktou canon, we consider Kuga, who is introduced to us as its owner, and the events in those episodes to be non-canon. Another reason for its non-canon status is that the events in the Zanpaktou Rebellion filler arc contradict the manga's plot. However, there's nothing that makes Raiga's encounter with Naruto impossible.

I could agree with you if Raiga had returned with Edo Tensei and Naruto hadn't recognized him. For example, he meets Utakata in a filler episode, but in the manga, he didn't recognize Utakata when he saw him.
 
Issue is, how does this fit in canon?

Like timeline wise?
 
I believe this would be right before Naruto goes and goes trains with Jiraiya for two and a half years.
 
Nierre said:
I believe this would be right before Naruto goes and goes trains with Jiraiya for two and a half years.
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but did he not literally wake up and leave like... out of bed?
on top of this, i'm pretty sure those episodes are like, chained together. like arc after arc
 
KingTempest said:
but did he not literally wake up and leave like... out of bed?
on top of this, i'm pretty sure those episodes are like, chained together. like arc after arc
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Nah, in the manga Sakura states that it was three months since she started training with Tsunade, and she had started her formal training once they all came back from the mission to save Sasuke.

The anime specifically uses that gap to make those filler arcs. We even see other teams training (such as Lee and such) and Naruto is fully healed and out of bandages/the hospital.

So it wasn't right away to answer ur question. Also the arcs aren't chained together eithe
 
KingTempest said:
on top of this, i'm pretty sure those episodes are like, chained together. like arc after arc
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No, these episodes are not connected to previous filler arcs. The previous filler arc was the one where Naruto, Shino, Hinata, and Kiba went searching for scent bugs, and that's not connected to the episodes mentioned in the CRT. After that, there was a single episode about Konohamaru and his friends. In short, no, this arc being canon doesn't make the previous and subsequent filler episodes canon.

This CRT only suggests that episodes 152-157 are canon.
 
Nierre said:
Nah, in the manga Sakura states that it was three months since she started training with Tsunade, and she had started her formal training once they all came back from the mission to save Sasuke.

The anime specifically uses that gap to make those filler arcs. We even see other teams training (such as Lee and such) and Naruto is fully healed and out of bandages/the hospital.

So it wasn't right away to answer ur question. Also the arcs aren't chained together eithe
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
Exactly as Nierre said, there's a three month long "time-skip" in the manga before Naruto leaves with Jiraiya to train and the real time-skip begins.
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Apollonir.Scale said:
No, these episodes are not connected to previous filler arcs. The previous filler arc was the one where Naruto, Shino, Hinata, and Kiba went searching for scent bugs, and that's not connected to the episodes mentioned in the CRT. After that, there was a single episode about Konohamaru and his friends. In short, no, this arc being canon doesn't make the previous and subsequent filler episodes canon.

This CRT only suggests that episodes 152-157 are canon.
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That's fair then, alright, my apologies

(Also good to hear from you Slayer, happy new year brudda)
 
So now it's a case of 3 participating and 1 not participating? Is UchihaSlayer participating too?
 
It just occurred to me. Could we give Naruto, Neji, Lee, and Tenten, who survived Raiga's lightning strikes, resistance to heat manipulation? After all, they don't melt from the heat of lightning.
 
Ummm, well, I find myself agreeing with Nierre on this.
It's a self-contained arc that fits neatly into the timeline. It offers no contradictions that I'm personally aware of. Additionally, the proposal has it so that its scaling ramifications are extremely minimal due to the feats being limited to new keys that don't backscale to P1 characters; at least none that don't already scale higher. It also doesn't affect P2 scaling since they all scale considerably higher. So unless I'm misunderstanding things, this all really is for Tenten to get a minor upgrade.... 💀 😭 🥀

However, there's one thing I don't agree with.
Apollonir.Scale said:
Also, Tenten is strong enough to bind Raiga with his chains. Therefore, he should be scaled to LS. Probably Raiga LS will also scale to Neji and Naruto. So now we have Class K Tenten.
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Tenten didn't do this physically, she did it with her chains. So only her chains would get the rating for restraining Raiga.
 
BTW I agree with the arc being canon but in terms of the scaling, since it's been years since I've fully watched the arc, I'm watching the arc right now just to make sure the scaling is all legit and all that. It's only 5 episodes I believe, so I should be able to respond with an update later today
 
Nierre said:
BTW I agree with the arc being canon but in terms of the scaling, since it's been years since I've fully watched the arc, I'm watching the arc right now just to make sure the scaling is all legit and all that. It's only 5 episodes I believe, so I should be able to respond with an update later today
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Yeah, I'm definitely gonna be waiting for this since it's been over a decade since I watched this 😭
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Tenten didn't do this physically, she did it with her chains. So only her chains would get the rating for restraining Raiga.
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Okay, so if it's accepted, should I write "Unknown, Class K with equipment" on my profile?

Do you agree that they develop heat resistance because they are exposed to lightning and are more negatively affected by the heat? I forgot to add that to the CRT.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Okay, so if it's accepted, should I write "Unknown, Class K with equipment" on my profile?
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Yeah, that works, although it'd probably be a bit better to just say 'Class K with chains' since that's the only thing with a feat. But we're just splitting hairs here, it doesn't matter too much.
Apollonir.Scale said:
Do you agree that they develop heat resistance because they are exposed to lightning and are more negatively affected by the heat? I forgot to add that to the CRT.
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Umm, well, if memory serves the rule was that the heat stuff from lightning only counts if they're hit with natural CTG lightning while not grounded (aka. they're in midair, for example). Mind showing me the clip where it happens? Cause I don't remember how it went down.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Yeah, that works, although it'd probably be a bit better to just say 'Class K with chains' since that's the only thing with a feat. But we're just splitting hairs here, it doesn't matter too much.

Umm, well, if memory serves the rule was that the heat stuff from lightning only counts if they're hit with natural CTG lightning while not grounded (aka. they're in midair, for example). Mind showing me the clip where it happens? Cause I don't remember how it went down.
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The image quality is a bit poor, but it's at the beginning of the video. Lee is thrown into the air and then struck by lightning. So he doesn't touch the ground.
 
Okay so this arc takes place after the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, around the same time as the Time-Slip Arc. I plan on doing some Time-Slip revisions soon so instead of naming this key "Kurosuki Family Removal Mission Arc", we should just name the key "Post-Sasuke Retrieval", and merge the Kurosuki Family Removal Mission Arc and the Time-Slip Arc together. I'll make a CRT down the line regarding Time-Slip feats/calcs, we'll ignore that arc for now and focus on this.


Here's my blog for what the statistics should look like for this key.

Multi City-Block rating scales to the previous value (and starts from Naruto), Lee's Multi City-Block+ First Gate rating for AP/SS/Dura (and LS) is 5x that.

Class K rating scales from Naruto as well; same value. 5x for First Gate.

High Hypersonic+ rating comes from Naruto; same value.
Lee without weights and Raiga's lightning should scale above Neji's Massively Hypersonic value because he was able to react to and doge Raiga's lightning, whereas Neji got blitzed.
Drunk Lee should scale to the calc in the OP, so he gains a higher rating with Drunken Fist.

Tenten was able to not only restrain Raiga but also disarm him with her bo staff and send his sword flying, so she should fully scale to Class K.

Ranmaru doesn't need a profile tbh, too much work for little gain.

Neji gets no changes. :cry:

Edit: First Gate Lee becomes Massively Hypersonic+, five times faster than his weightless base.
 
Nierre said:
Okay so this arc takes place after the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, around the same time as the Time-Slip Arc. I plan on doing some Time-Slip revisions soon so instead of naming this key "Kurosuki Family Removal Mission Arc", we should just name the key "Post-Sasuke Retrieval", and merge the Kurosuki Family Removal Mission Arc and the Time-Slip Arc together. I'll make a CRT down the line regarding Time-Slip feats/calcs, we'll ignore that arc for now and focus on this.


Here's my blog for what the statistics should look like for this key.

Multi City-Block rating scales to the previous value (and starts from Naruto), Lee's Multi City-Block+ First Gate rating for AP/SS/Dura (and LS) is 5x that.

Class K rating scales from Naruto as well; same value. 5x for First Gate.

High Hypersonic+ rating comes from Naruto; same value.
Lee without weights and Raiga's lightning should scale above Neji's Massively Hypersonic value because he was able to react to and doge Raiga's lightning, whereas Neji got blitzed.
Drunk Lee should scale to the calc in the OP, so he gains a higher rating with Drunken Fist.

Tenten was able to not only restrain Raiga but also disarm him with her bo staff and send his sword flying, so she should fully scale to Class K.

Ranmaru doesn't need a profile tbh, too much work for little gain.

Neji gets no changes. :cry:

Edit: First Gate Lee becomes Massively Hypersonic+, five times faster than his weightless base.
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Should Raiga get a profile?
 
Nierre said:
Okay so this arc takes place after the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, around the same time as the Time-Slip Arc. I plan on doing some Time-Slip revisions soon so instead of naming this key "Kurosuki Family Removal Mission Arc", we should just name the key "Post-Sasuke Retrieval", and merge the Kurosuki Family Removal Mission Arc and the Time-Slip Arc together. I'll make a CRT down the line regarding Time-Slip feats/calcs, we'll ignore that arc for now and focus on this.
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I also watched the Time-Slip arc recently. We have a really good cloud feat. Besides that, Boruto calls Naruto's one-tailed beast's power "incredible." Even the turtle named Karasuki, who time-travels at the end of the arc, gathers enough chakra from Naruto's one-tailed beast to time travel again. So yes, we have some nice scaling.
 
Btw, do Naruto CRTs need 3 votes or 2 to be accepted? Currently, 3 people are participating except Damage.
 
I agree with Nierre on this one, as far as the Canonicity of the arc and the naming convention for the Post-Sasuke Retrieval Arc keys.(y)
 
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