Tien Shinhan vs Adam [3-1-0]

[MannyQ361]

VS

• Both are 5-B
• 23rd Budokai Tien is used
• Speed is equalized

Three-Eyed Human: 3 Mickey1940, Rex_Eckles, DaReaperMan
First Man: 1 ShionAH
Inconclusive:

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

following

 

[MannyQ361]

Tien's AP is 1.5 Yottatons while Adam's is 1.7 Yottatons. Adam's LS with his Class G rating is 1 million tons and Tien's is 450 thousand tons.

 

[ShionAH]

Unless the sealing comes in clutch, this looks like a pretty straight forward match huh?

 

[MannyQ361]

Seems so. The sealing requires a container, so it'd be more of a direct fight.

 

[ShionAH]

I'd give it to Adam, good LS advantage, better survivability, better abilities and his heat hax should work. But how can Tien deal with the Regeneration? Should it be restricted

 

[MannyQ361]

Aside from sealing, was thinking Tien could try using Kikoho to reduce Adam to a state beyond his combat applicable regeneration. Kikoho is a greater boost than the Kamehameha, which can reduce somewhat weaker opponents to dust and do significant damage to stronger ones.

 

[Mythic381]

Aside from sealing, was thinking Tien could try using Kikoho to reduce Adam to a state beyond his combat applicable regeneration.

Guy takes like 5 business days to say "Kikoho," 7 to actually use it. I don't think Adam dodging it would be that hard...

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Tien Skill stomps

 

[Mythic381]

Tien Skill stomps

He'll just fly away and start spamming holy light

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

He'll just fly away and start spamming holy light

Something Tien can also do?

 

[Mythic381]

Something Tien can also do?

...What?

My point is that his skill wouldn't matter if Adam just flies away from him to not force CQC and just spam his holy light which is faster than them.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

...What?

My point is that his skill wouldn't matter if Adam just flies away from him to not force CQC and just spam his holy light which is faster than them.

Tien shin han can also fly and fight at range with ki blast?


He upscales from his value as well

 

[Mythic381]

Tien shin han can also fly and fight at range with ki blast?


He upscales from his value as well

...Okay???? That's not my point. My point is you arguing that he'll just win via skillstomping.

Both of them seem to start with CQC, so with Adam losing the direct close-range fight, he's likely to fly away first and start spamming his light, which you know, he just spams multiple times rather than screaming it's name and then shooting it.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He'll just fly away and start spamming holy light

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Kamehameha_Deflection

Also just realized that rn 23rd Tien is listed as being weaker than OLD Demon King Piccolo, crazy Tien disrespect ngl

 

[Mythic381]

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Kamehameha_Deflection

Also just realized that rn 23rd Tien is listed as being weaker than OLD Demon King Piccolo, crazy Tien disrespect ngl

Doesn't this require him to actually react to the attack? And can he redirect multiple light beams at once? As that's what Adam was doing.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Doesn't this require him to actually react to the attack? And can he redirect multiple light beams at once? As that's what Adam was doing.

His Holy Light is barely x1.2 his speed and it's a ranged attack, Tien can definitely react to it.
Also when did Adam use two at once? He uses a bunch between small intervals but he never really shoots two?

 

[Mythic381]

Also when did Adam use two at once? He uses a bunch between small intervals but he never really shoots two?

I never said "two at once" I meant he shots multiple ones after another.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

...Okay???? That's not my point. My point is you arguing that he'll just win via skillstomping.

Both of them seem to start with CQC, so with Adam losing the direct close-range fight, he's likely to fly away first and start spamming his light, which you know, he just spams multiple times rather than screaming it's name and then shooting it.

Literally does not change the fact that tien wins via skill stomping, adam decides to be a coward? Tien outranges

And can he redirect multiple light beams at once?

I never said "two at once"

Sure

 

[Mythic381]

Literally does not change the fact that tien wins via skill stomping, adam decides to be a coward? Tien outranges

He wins via skill stomping despite Adam going for ranged attacks right after, shocking.

Sure

Pretty sure I don't have to outright say "Can Tien redirect attacks that come right after one another" to someone who watched the show and knows what Adam can do. "At once" is just an exaggeration of how much Adam likes to spam his attacks.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Actually yeah, trying to enter a beam clash against a DB character is def not a good idea lol
Even if Adam fires off a second beam right after the first, Tien’s attack would’ve already engulfed the initial one and would then just do the same thing to the second one.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

He wins via skill stomping despite Adam going for ranged attacks right after, shocking.

If you can't understand that playing at range is useless and that Tien has more range and skills to deflect attacks, is able to dodge range attacks because he has better senses, and that playing at Range does not help Adam at all is not my problem lol

Plus, he is a moron compared to Tien, so yeah, skill-stomp, Tien wins

 

[Mythic381]

Even if Adam fires off a second beam right after the first, Tien’s attack would’ve already engulfed the initial one and would then just do the same thing to the second one.

Would Tien likely deflect the attack or just use his own attack? As I'm questioning if he can deflect multiple attacks coming right after each other, since if he doesn't just attempts to deflect the first one, he'd likely get tagged by the others, no?

If he's using his own attack, Adam can dodge Tien's no?

Guy takes like 5 business days to say "Kikoho," 7 to actually use it. I don't think Adam dodging it would be that hard...

If you can't understand that playing at range is useless and that Tien has more range and skills to deflect attacks, is able to dodge range attacks because he has better senses, and that playing at Range does not help Adam at all is not my problem lol

So how does Tien "skill stomp" him if what you're mentioning is him winning via ranged attacks. Because those are entirely different things.

Plus, he is a moron compared to Tien, so yeah, skill-stomp, Tien wins

So again, Adam goes for CQC, loses, flies away and attempts to delete him with holy light.

It doesn't matter whether or not Adam loses the range exchange, that wouldn't be "skill stomp."

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Would Tien likely deflect the attack or just use his own attack? As I'm questioning if he can deflect multiple attacks coming right after each other, since if he doesn't just attempts to deflect the first one, he'd likely get tagged by the others, no?

He can do both tbh, theoretically all he has to do multiple attacks right after the other is just repeatedly use Kiai, which isn't unheard of.
But using his own attack might be better since it'd be leagues stronger than Adam's beams sooo

If he's using his own attack, Adam can dodge Tien's no?

Tien could just as easily anticipate it too, hell that's what he did against Goku.
The Kikoho also has enough AoE that I can't realistically see Adam dodging it.

 

[Mythic381]

But using his own attack might be better since it'd be leagues stronger than Adam's beams sooo

Isn't Adam's attack faster in theory? Like it would take less time for Adam to spam it than for Tien to charge up, so Adam could probably hit him first.

 

[MannyQ361]

Adam might be able to fire them in quicker succession, but Tien's eyes could allow him to react. Dodan Ray doesn't need much charge up and Kiai is quick to pull off, so he can likely hold his own in ranged combat.

 

[MannyQ361]

Solar flare might also be useful for creating openings to attack Adam.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Zanzo-Ken and Multi-Form.

Four-Witches Technique too.

 

[Mickey1940]

voting Tien

Adam gets dogstomped in CQC, dogstomped in ranged battle cuz Tien's arsenal is better, Tri Beam and Kamehameha both damage Adam past the point where High-Mid can help as ki attacks can kill beings with Mid-High regen like Buu

the AP advantage is negligible and LS doesn't matter since Tien can still use Ki attacks to just blast Adam, Kiai also forces Adam off too just from sheer AP

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Tien might kill himself by using the Multi-Form technique though, since each clone is going to be over 1/4th weaker and slower than Adam.
He's also real proud about it in this key too

 

[Mickey1940]

Tien might kill himself by using the Multi-Form technique though, since each clone is going to be over 1/4th weaker and slower than Adam.
He's also real proud about it in this key too

each multi form can spam Solar Flare, plus he doesn't really need it

 

[MannyQ361]

bump

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Tenshinhan FRA.

 

[MannyQ361]

Counted.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Tenshinhan FRA.

 

[MannyQ361]

Counted.