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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)

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But yeah, 8-A should be:
  1. The Hunter (Bloodborne)
  2. D&D characters/ Characters from Maou gakuin (Only Sasha & Misha)
  3. Owari no chronicle characters (Typhoon & Susamikado)
  4. Junko
  5. Sacred Eclipse
  6. Henry Stickman
  7. Shizuku/ Ikki kurogane
  8. Han Jee-Han
  9. Danny Phantom
  10. Crowfather
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
Hunter definitely isn't above D&D, Maou Gakuin and Owari characters.
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Hunter has already had threads where he beat or stalemated the D&D characters in question and it's already been explained in depth why he beats the maou gakuin and owari characters. You're free to make a thread if you want to solidify his wins but atm he is above them
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Hunter has already had threads where he beat or stalemated the D&D characters in question and it's already been explained in depth why he beats the maou gakuin and owari characters. You're free to make a thread if you want to solidify his wins but atm he is above them
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As already stated by many (including staff), hunter time thing can't help him against conceptual effects unless he have feats against such things, he also don't have ways to affect the D&D characters with their dimension stuff so don't know what are you talking, at least link the threads where he is supposed to beat them or the posts where people agree with him defeating the characters from those verses.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
As already stated by many (including staff), hunter time thing can't help him against conceptual effects unless he have feats against such things, he also don't have ways to affect the D&D characters with their dimension stuff so don't know what are you talking, at least link the threads where he is supposed to beat them or the posts where people agree with him defeating the characters from those verses.
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WeeklyBattles said:
Youre finally going to add scans like everyone has been asking you to do?
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I can't help but notice that you still haven't added scans for all of Hunter's stuff either. I will get to the OnC scans once you have finished and I'm done with more important revisions.

(Why are we even debating Hunter if it still has multiversal range? Shouldn't that be removed first or somethin')

WeeklyBattles said:
"While its intended use is for that, since it can also be used on living humans it is theoretically a powerful kind of sealing technique."

Having looked into the verse myself since we last discussed it, this is 100% true, it has never been used in this manner before and as such cannot be argued that it can be.
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Yeah, the sealing is OOC, although it would work.

But that doesn't apply to all the other concept stuff. Like the concept pocket dimension that you can't leave without concept manip.
 
DontTalkDT said:
I can't help but notice that you still haven't added scans for all of Hunter's stuff either. I will get to the OnC scans once you have finished and I'm done with more important revisions.
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Have you looked at the Hunter's profile? Genuine question because you cant seriously be asking that if you havent. Every single thing on his profile has scans. At this point it seems less like you actually care and more that you are being willfully ignorant because you know youre in the wrong and are trying to deflect.
DontTalkDT said:
Yeah, the sealing is OOC, although it would work.
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Its not OOC, its outright nonexistent, its never been used that way so you cannot in any way shape or form argue that it can.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
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No offense against Pepper but from personal experience he isn't exactly the most knowledgeable regarding D&D, I remember various threads where he was saying things, everyone believed them and then like two pages later a knowledgeable in the verse come to say things quite different and make the match in question have a complete change, the fate matches at least were like that from memory.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Have you looked at the Hunter's profile? Genuine question because you cant seriously be asking that if you havent. Every single thing on his profile has scans. At this point it seems less like you actually care and more that you are being willfully ignorant because you know youre in the wrong and are trying to deflect.
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You mean the wiki links? We don't typically accept wiki links as evidence.

And yeah, I'm pretty sick and tired of people flaming me, and me alone, about standards we don't have as a wiki. Go complain about some of the other profiles without scans on this list for a change. Or go change the standards to actually require it. Otherwise, stop bringing it up in debates as if it were an argument.

Heck, I just checked and you have a bunch of profiles yourself with have no scans or references whatsoever.
WeeklyBattles said:
Its not OOC, its outright nonexistent, its never been used that way so you cannot in any way shape or form argue that it can.
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Eh, no. That's literally its intended purpose and it has been used. That's how the underworld of 3rd Gear worked.
The people who live there live for thousands of years and each individual controls the world’s concepts and has some level of control over the weather and time as well.

When they die, a device known as the Tartaros Machina sends their concept and will to the Concept Core.

The concept stored in the Concept Core is extracted and inherited when a new life is born, but the formless will remains in the Concept Core as it is difficult to individually extract.

For that reason, the Concept Core acts as a world of the dead from which one cannot escape once one enters it.
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(From OnC 3-A)

And Susamikado used it once to absorb the 3rd Gear concepts from Typhon.
“Keravnos and Typhon!”

He looked and saw light rapidly gathering in the spear of light that had stabbed into Typhon.

Keravnos was consuming Typhon’s Concept Core.

To support it, the back of Keravnos expanded and received the extra light. It acted like it was a machine originally created to combine the Concept Core into one.

It can’t be, thought Hiba.

He then thought about what Sayama had said while preparing for the battle.

…Is this what he meant when he talked about how much I understand Mikage-san?

“Is the destructive weapon of Keravnos following Mikage-san’s evolution and evolving into the Tartaros Machina that contains the Tartaros?”

The Concept Core Tartaros had been the cause of 3rd-Gear’s destruction and it had now been recombined into one.
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(3-C)

InfiniteDay said:
No way DT is criticizing people for not scanning everything, bro doesn't even scan anything 💀
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I'm calling nobody out if they don't call me out. ¯\(ツ)/¯
 
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DontTalkDT said:
You mean the wiki links? We don't typically accept wiki links as evidence.
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Hate to break it to you pal but thats the official bloodborne guidebook
DontTalkDT said:
And yeah, I'm pretty sick and tired of people flaming me, and me alone, about standards we don't have as a wiki. Go complain about some of the other profiles without scans on this list for a change. Or go change the standards to actually require it. Otherwise, stop bringing it up in debates as if it were an argument.
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Bruh


It is in fact a standard we have as a wiki. Just because you dont feel like following the rules doesnt mean youre allowed to do so. People are flaming you because youre actively refusing to hold yourself to the same standard as the rest of the site. Actively and knowingly going against the rules and standards of the wiki is not something a Bureaucrat of all people should be doing.
DontTalkDT said:
Heck, I just checked and you have a bunch of profiles yourself with have no scans or references whatsoever.
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Youre correct, and unlike you im actually working on fixing that by actually adding scans and updating my profiles.
DontTalkDT said:
Eh, no. That's literally its intended purpose and it has been used. That's how the underworld of 3rd Gear worked.
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And yet its explicitly stated to be something that hasnt been done and is only something that could be done in theory.
DontTalkDT said:
I'm calling nobody out if they don't call me out. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I am calling you out. Follow the site's standards. You are a Bureaucrat. You should be better than this.
 
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Some people for high 7-A

Rokuro Yang Form - Danmaku in the hundreds to thousands with matter manip, Purification Type 2, Empathic Aura (makes one unafraid of him), Several layers of powernull (4 at most), Time reverse, Deconstruction of spells and physical matter, Spatial distortion, Fire manip higher than lightning heat, Power null of negative energy based spell, Inter-dimensional range via portals, Telepathy, X-Ray vision, Absorption,
Sakanashi Unchained Form - Several layers of powernull (4 at most), passive corrosion/density/curse/unholy, Summoning based Void/Danmaku, Ranged Spatial Manip, Cosmic Awareness as well
Benio Armored Great Yin - Passive corrosion/density/curse/unholy, Sound based dura neg, Explosive Aura hotter than lightning, and Spatial distortion

Two characters for low 7-B

Mr. Billy - Law Based: Morality Manip, Decon, Paralysis Induce (works on shadows), Power mimicry (works by opponent viewing him as threat), Physics manip,
Seal - Law Based Sealing, Accel Dev (developed the ability to seal souls), Immo type 4 & 8, Can turn others explosive from contact, (He is not Low 7-B right now but will be after a thread or should so can be ignored if u want)
 
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Expectro2000xxx said:
If he absorbed Typhon concepts wouldn't he be able to also use his time powers? Or absorb in this case is more in the sealing sense?
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Maaaaaybe he could. Theoretically, he has the concept. He never has though, possibly because Susamikado is not designed to use concepts that freely.

WeeklyBattles said:
Hate to break it to you pal but thats the official bloodborne guidebook
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https://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/ is the official bloodborne guidebook? Didn't know that.

WeeklyBattles said:
Bruh


It is in fact a standard we have as a wiki. Just because you dont feel like following the rules doesnt mean youre allowed to do so. People are flaming you because youre actively refusing to hold yourself to the same standard as the rest of the site. Actively and knowingly going against the rules and standards of the wiki is not something a Bureaucrat of all people should be doing.
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a) references are required not scans.

b) The profiles in question are not new profiles and hence within the rules. Read the thread. It's about profiles created afterwards.
Let me quote the thread for you to make sure you get it.
Old pages without references will not be deleted, but help in gradually adding them would be appreciated.
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All new profiles (i.e. profiles created after July 2022) I create have references, so I'm keeping to the same standards as the rest of the site. OnC profiles for instance are from 2019. In fact, I only created a single page since then, which was the Kurzgesagt Narrator. So that's the only page I have that requires references and it, in fact, has references.

I plan on updating old profiles with references once all profiles are up to date information-wise, as I consider the profiles being correct more important.

You have made a bunch of profiles without scans yourself. Why not use your energy to update them instead of complaining to me about me not having updated my old profiles yet? Here are 20 to get you started:
  1. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ira_Gamagori
  2. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hōka_Inumuta
  3. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nonon_Jakuzure
  4. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Uzu_Sanageyama
  5. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nui_Harime
  6. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tsumugu_Kinagase
  7. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kanade_Tachibana
  8. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Neptune_Vasilias
  9. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Emerald_Sustrai
  10. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Emerald_Sustrai
  11. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rose_Quartz
  12. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Opal_(Steven_Universe)
  13. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Garterbelt
  14. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lion_(Steven_Universe)
  15. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Scanty_Daemon
  16. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Subject_Delta
  17. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Booker_DeWitt
  18. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Elizabeth_(BioShock)
  19. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Udyr
  20. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Green_(RWBY)

It's incredibly hypocritical for someone with several dozen sourceless profiles themselves to call me out on it.
WeeklyBattles said:
And yet its explicitly stated to be something that hasnt been done and is only something that could be done in theory.
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Which isn't the same as to say that it can't be done? Like I could theoretically get myself ice cream right now. I know in fact and I can do that. It's just that I don't plan to. Same with Susamikado. As the description states we know it can be done. The "theoretically" here signifies that it's OOC. He doesn't go around and seal everyone with it constantly.

WeeklyBattles said:
I am calling you out. Follow the site's standards. Youre a Bureaucrat. You should be better than this.
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I am following the sites standards. You just apparently don't know the standards.
 
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DontTalkDT said:
Maaaaaybe he could. Theoretically, he has the concept. He never has though, possibly because Susamikado is not designed to use concepts that freely.
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Ok, that makes sense.

Regarding the rest of situation, I also don't feel much problem with the profiles since they are quite old and DT will eventually improve them, and since he most of the time easily show the scans of stuff when asked then there is no real problem at debating.
 
DontTalkDT said:
https://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/ is the official bloodborne guidebook? Didn't know that.
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It is yes, it is the entirety of the Bloodborne and Old Hunters guidebooks transcribed into a website format
DontTalkDT said:
a) references are required not scans.

b) The profiles in question are not new profiles and hence within the rules. Read the thread. It's about profiles created afterwards.
Let me quote the thread for you to make sure you get it.

All new profiles (i.e. profiles created after July 2022) I create have references, so I'm keeping to the same standards as the rest of the site. OnC profiles for instance are from 2019.
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a) You have provided neither so i dont see how this helps your case at all

b) Its literally part of the current standard profile format

vsbattles.fandom.com

Standard Format for Character Profiles

When there are multiple versions of a character that are distinct enough to be split into several profiles, whether it is due to the length and complexity of the page or versions from different mediums, then the multiple pages that are created as a result of this have to be linked by a tabber...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
DontTalkDT said:
I plan on updating old profiles with references once all profiles are up to date information-wise, as I consider the profiles being correct more important.
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Without scans proving that they are correct the only thing anyone has to go on is your word, which means very little in regards to an obscure verse that very few people have even heard of or can get access to. Youre effectively designing your profiles to be debated on the basis of 'The profile is correct because i said its correct and youre not able to prove otherwise because you dont have the scans'.
DontTalkDT said:
You have made a bunch of profiles without scans yourself. Why not use your energy to update them instead of complaining to me about me not having updated my old profiles yet? Here are 20 to get you started:
  1. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ira_Gamagori
  2. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hōka_Inumuta
  3. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nonon_Jakuzure
  4. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Uzu_Sanageyama
  5. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nui_Harime
  6. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tsumugu_Kinagase
  7. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kanade_Tachibana
  8. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Neptune_Vasilias
  9. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Emerald_Sustrai
  10. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Emerald_Sustrai
  11. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rose_Quartz
  12. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Opal_(Steven_Universe)
  13. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Garterbelt
  14. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lion_(Steven_Universe)
  15. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Scanty_Daemon
  16. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Subject_Delta
  17. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Booker_DeWitt
  18. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Elizabeth_(BioShock)
  19. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Udyr
  20. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Green_(RWBY)
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Aight smartass lemme explain something to you, alot of those profiles come from different verses, verses which i am in fact in the process of cleaning up, but unlike you who just makes massive edits to profiles with no repercussions (Ive seen how often you just add random shit to pages like Vandalieu without CRTs), I follow the rules of the wiki and make CRTs. And also unlike you, I acknowledge that my profiles are out of date and need updating and am currently working on updating all of them. Maybe if you put as much effort into maintaining your profiles as you did explaining why you dont need to maintain your profiles, we wouldnt be having these issues.
DontTalkDT said:
Which isn't the same as to say that it can't be done? Like I could theoretically get myself ice cream right now. I know in fact and I can do that. It's just that I don't plan to. Same with Susamikado. As the description states we know it can be done. The "theoretically" here signifies that it's OOC. He doesn't go around and seal everyone with it constantly.
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Cool, thats like saying the Hunter has BFR into another plane of reality because he can theoretically use the tonsil stone to lure an opponent into an Amygdala's portal trap
DontTalkDT said:
I am following the sites standards. You just apparently don't know the standards.
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You very much are not following site standards
 
WeeklyBattles said:
a) You have provided neither so i dont see how this helps your case at all

b) Its literally part of the current standard profile format

vsbattles.fandom.com

Standard Format for Character Profiles

When there are multiple versions of a character that are distinct enough to be split into several profiles, whether it is due to the length and complexity of the page or versions from different mediums, then the multiple pages that are created as a result of this have to be linked by a tabber...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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And? The standard format has no reason to say anything different, as that's what we are using for all future profiles. The rules still are clear about the fact that old profiles are fine. That's what the thread and the official decision said. (and what the actual editing rules indirectly indicate by mentioning that only new profiles without references are up for deletion) It's also what was the spirit of the rule and the decision of the debate.

So yeah, your stance is wrong. Our wikis official stance is different.
WeeklyBattles said:
Without scans proving that they are correct the only thing anyone has to go on is your word, which means very little in regards to an obscure verse that very few people have even heard of or can get access to.
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Which would be a valid reason for deletion if I weren't around to give evidence. Luckily, I am. So it is an entirely moot point. Again, the profiles are within our standards.

WeeklyBattles said:
Youre effectively designing your profiles to be debated on the basis of 'The profile is correct because i said its correct and youre not able to prove otherwise because you dont have the scans'.
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If it were just possible to ask for scans form someone able to provide them... oh wait, it is!

WeeklyBattles said:
Aight smartass lemme explain something to you, alot of those profiles come from different verses, verses which i am in fact in the process of cleaning up, but unlike you who just makes massive edits to profiles with no repercussions (Ive seen how often you just add random shit to pages like Vandalieu without CRTs)
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? I think I added more explanations some time ago. Don't believe I'm in the habit of adding stats or abilities without a CRT.

WeeklyBattles said:
I follow the rules of the wiki and make CRTs. And also unlike you, I acknowledge that my profiles are out of date and need updating and am currently working on updating all of them. Maybe if you put as much effort into maintaining your profiles as you did explaining why you dont need to maintain your profiles, we wouldnt be having these issues.
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I make CRTs. Make giant blogs with countless of quotes just for them. Sadly, I also have staff duties as well. Literally have 68 requests right now to evaluate side rules and verses I don't care about. I would also much rather work on my own verses, but the priorities are (for the most part) staff duties > making profiles correct > references and other stuff.

I have literally dozens of upgrades on the backburner. I have quote blogs on my PC I regularly update in case I someday get the time to actually make a CRT out of them. Do you really think I wouldn't be doing those if I had freetime to handle such stuff?

So yeah, if you are managing cleaning up your old profiles faster than me, congratulations. You got more time for it than I do.

Neither does it change the fact that the site standards allow the profiles in their current states nor that it's hypocritical to call me out while having so many unsourced profiles. (it's not like you called me out about adding references slower than you...)

Also, I acknowledge that the profiles should get references (although not necessarily scans). I just don't acknowledge that it is our standard or that I have any obligation to do it now or anytime in the very near future for that matter. I.e. I don't consider your complains about me not having done so yet valid and find them, quite frankly, rude.

WeeklyBattles said:
Cool, thats like saying the Hunter has BFR into another plane of reality because he can theoretically use the tonsil stone to lure an opponent into an Amygdala's portal trap
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Yeah, that analogy is completely lost on me.
 
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WeeklyBattles said:
(Ive seen how often you just add random shit to pages like Vandalieu without CRTs)
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Genuinely speaking don't know what you are talking about considering that the last time he touched the profiles was in July 2021 after a big crt (in which I was present so I know as a fact that the things he did were correct). He probably also wouldn't lose time adding things to Vandalieu when he already know I'm working in the verse behind scenes with sandbox.
 
Honestly, this is huge derailing anyway.

@WeeklyBattles let's take anything that isn't about Susamikado's sealing to my wall.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
No offense against Pepper but from personal experience he isn't exactly the most knowledgeable regarding D&D, I remember various threads where he was saying things, everyone believed them and then like two pages later a knowledgeable in the verse come to say things quite different and make the match in question have a complete change, the fate matches at least were like that from memory.
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just reading the thread, can confirm
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Cool, thats like saying the Hunter has BFR into another plane of reality because he can theoretically use the tonsil stone to lure an opponent into an Amygdala's portal trap
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Like, the example doesn't work because you could indeed give BFR due to that.

If The Hunter can open portals at will and maybe even keep them up for a few seconds, nothing stops him from using the portal to BFR someone, even if it isn't as practical as other thought based BFRs and he would need some extra thinking.
 
deonment said:
You have no idea how hard that is going to be, do you?
So do you want me to start with the 5+ basically passives, or the fact she will just camp him, or her massive asf arsenal of bullshit she can pull out of nowhere
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Wtf does she do? Her profile doesn't really give much of an explanation
 
deonment said:
Unfortunately, the most based characters in it are smurfs so rip

K then, I will start with base
Which has a combat applicable low godly, passive fear that also damages the soul and mind, info analysis that gives her all of the target's information, layered power null against magic and physical attacks used against her along with sight-based soul, mind, stamina/magic/etc drain, that becomes even more potent as all expenditures of them, a deconstruction that by simple activation against someone who doesn't have resistance to it would at best cripple them if not kill them, a paralysis that is even more potent than regular paralysis to the point of wholly immobilizing the target and being above baseline, has what is basically a better telekinesis
this is just what is basically passive, let alone what her actual active kit is, let alone what her second key has
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From what i can see Melheis has good chances of taking it once his profile is updated
 
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