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What the title said.
First of all scaling to the fodder is atrocious, who allowed that. The reasoning for it is pretty whack, given how it's based on the reasoning for MFTL+. Which isn't really applicable with this new rating. Fairies being comparable to Rabbits was only when both had similar MFTL+ feats. But now it's not the case. And Cirno "not being too far behind high tiers" is just dumb. She's a fodder, she has no business scaling to the higher tiers. A race of character described as "background noise" in the grand scheme of things should not scale to people capable of destroying the main setting casually, even in terms of speed.
So at the very least, the fodders like Cirno should go back to their previous speed scaling of possibly MFTL+, based off the Dream Fairies traveling interstellar distances.
But also, the speed feats that lead to Infinite Speed being a thing are also suspects. Let's break them down:
Infinite Corridor Feat
So the feat goes like this. Kaguya creates an infinite corridor, meant to trap the protagonists. Eventually, they travel to the "end" of the corridor, being set in outer space in a weird space cage. So the profiles assume they overpowered the corridor via sheer speed. But there are several issues with this interpretation. Namely...
-The corridor is meant as a trap. Unless Eirin somehow didn't know people on the protagonists' levels have infinite speed, using it as a trap would be useless.
-Eirin is not surprised at all by the protagonists "escaping" the trap. In fact, she seems confident that the trap worked. The protagonists reaching the "end" was intended.
-None of the protags react to the corridor being "infinite". They just note that it's long, and then notice that it has ended. Not once is it implied they went through an infinite corridor at once.
-There is an end to this "endless" corridor
-Miko, a character certainly comparable in speed, chose to use hax to dispel it instead of traveling it.
Now those arguments could be dismissed each in their own way. But to me, the true killing blow to this feat is this alternate, much likelier take on this. The idea that the trap was never meant to be infinite in this case. Eirin wanted to lead the protagonists to the fake Moon, where they would be unable to go home. The protagonists being forever trapped in this infinite path was never implied to be Eirin's goal. In each versions of the story, she expresses satisfaction that the protags reached the false moon.
So the more likely option is that the corridor was shut down when they reached the fake Moon, or it was only made to be this long in the first place. The goal was always to lead the protagonists there and neither Eirin or the protags treat their feat as a speed feat. Assuming it's a sheer speed feat when this explanation is much more consistent with what happens is silly.
Palanquin Ship Feat
This one is much more simple. The feat claims the Palanquin Ship flew to the edge of Makai, which is infinite. But uh.
"This ship is bound for Hokkai,
the world where Hijiri is imprisoned."
"A corner of the infinite area of Makai. That's where Hijiri was sealed away."
That's the statement. The problem is that "A corner of X" doesn't have to mean it's literally in the furthest corner of an area. Corners can exist anywhere outside of the edge of an area. Saying something is in a corner of an area to say it's in a tucked-away spot within the area is not uncommon at all.
Assuming that it means a literal furthest corner (of an infinite world, mind you, meaning it probably shouldn't have corners) is thus an unnecessary assumption that leads to an insanely inflated feat.
And there is also the fact that this assumes the Palanquin Ship is infinitely far away from the corner. There are no reasons to assume it started at the "center" of the area. In fact, it'd be pretty dumb for the ship to start infinitely far away from Hokkai, its destination. Another bad assumption.
Conclusion
Remove Infinite from fodders, it's bad and it has no reasoning that's up to date.
First Infinite Speed feat is bad because it makes an assumption that goes against how the feat is presented. The Second one is bad because it makes several assumptions that are counterintuitive.
So the verse's speed should go back to how it went. Fodders being "FTL, possibly MFTL+" and high tiers being MFTL+.
First of all scaling to the fodder is atrocious, who allowed that. The reasoning for it is pretty whack, given how it's based on the reasoning for MFTL+. Which isn't really applicable with this new rating. Fairies being comparable to Rabbits was only when both had similar MFTL+ feats. But now it's not the case. And Cirno "not being too far behind high tiers" is just dumb. She's a fodder, she has no business scaling to the higher tiers. A race of character described as "background noise" in the grand scheme of things should not scale to people capable of destroying the main setting casually, even in terms of speed.
So at the very least, the fodders like Cirno should go back to their previous speed scaling of possibly MFTL+, based off the Dream Fairies traveling interstellar distances.
But also, the speed feats that lead to Infinite Speed being a thing are also suspects. Let's break them down:
Infinite Corridor Feat
So the feat goes like this. Kaguya creates an infinite corridor, meant to trap the protagonists. Eventually, they travel to the "end" of the corridor, being set in outer space in a weird space cage. So the profiles assume they overpowered the corridor via sheer speed. But there are several issues with this interpretation. Namely...
-The corridor is meant as a trap. Unless Eirin somehow didn't know people on the protagonists' levels have infinite speed, using it as a trap would be useless.
-Eirin is not surprised at all by the protagonists "escaping" the trap. In fact, she seems confident that the trap worked. The protagonists reaching the "end" was intended.
-None of the protags react to the corridor being "infinite". They just note that it's long, and then notice that it has ended. Not once is it implied they went through an infinite corridor at once.
-There is an end to this "endless" corridor
-Miko, a character certainly comparable in speed, chose to use hax to dispel it instead of traveling it.
Now those arguments could be dismissed each in their own way. But to me, the true killing blow to this feat is this alternate, much likelier take on this. The idea that the trap was never meant to be infinite in this case. Eirin wanted to lead the protagonists to the fake Moon, where they would be unable to go home. The protagonists being forever trapped in this infinite path was never implied to be Eirin's goal. In each versions of the story, she expresses satisfaction that the protags reached the false moon.
So the more likely option is that the corridor was shut down when they reached the fake Moon, or it was only made to be this long in the first place. The goal was always to lead the protagonists there and neither Eirin or the protags treat their feat as a speed feat. Assuming it's a sheer speed feat when this explanation is much more consistent with what happens is silly.
Palanquin Ship Feat
This one is much more simple. The feat claims the Palanquin Ship flew to the edge of Makai, which is infinite. But uh.
"This ship is bound for Hokkai,
the world where Hijiri is imprisoned."
"A corner of the infinite area of Makai. That's where Hijiri was sealed away."
That's the statement. The problem is that "A corner of X" doesn't have to mean it's literally in the furthest corner of an area. Corners can exist anywhere outside of the edge of an area. Saying something is in a corner of an area to say it's in a tucked-away spot within the area is not uncommon at all.
Assuming that it means a literal furthest corner (of an infinite world, mind you, meaning it probably shouldn't have corners) is thus an unnecessary assumption that leads to an insanely inflated feat.
And there is also the fact that this assumes the Palanquin Ship is infinitely far away from the corner. There are no reasons to assume it started at the "center" of the area. In fact, it'd be pretty dumb for the ship to start infinitely far away from Hokkai, its destination. Another bad assumption.
Conclusion
Remove Infinite from fodders, it's bad and it has no reasoning that's up to date.
First Infinite Speed feat is bad because it makes an assumption that goes against how the feat is presented. The Second one is bad because it makes several assumptions that are counterintuitive.
So the verse's speed should go back to how it went. Fodders being "FTL, possibly MFTL+" and high tiers being MFTL+.