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YeahWas this actually applied?
Can you link the edit where this was applied?
dude, you were going to remove imme speed from anti spiral's profile and add it to simon, but it's still not added to simon's profile.bump
what's wrongAnd I didn't re-add it to Simon's profile, since I pointed out a flaw with the reasoning, that no-one in the thread noticed earlier, and no-one has responded to it.
tl;dr All scans had bad translations, so I don't trust them. But the one for Immeasurable speed is so low-quality I can't retranslate it myself.Solely based on the OP of this thread.
The first scan seems weirdly translated to pull a battleboarding interpretation out of nowhere. Specifically, for the line:
Which you translated as "Even when trapped in the cycle of cause and effect!"
But that's kinda strange; "輪廻" isn't just "cycle", it's exclusively a Buddhist term for samsara; the cycle of death and rebirth. And when you look at it from that context, "因果" wouldn't have the typical meaning of "cause and effect", it'd take on the meaning in a Buddhist context, of "karma/fate".
I see no reason to believe that, even if we did take such a statement seriously, that it would result in Acausality Type 5, since we have pretty strict standards for that, and just "Transcend cause and effect in a big multiverse" is nowhere near enough.
The supporting evidence means absolutely nothing.
The last scan's translation has some elementary mistakes. It says it's for episode 156 instead of episode 26 for crying out loud.
I'd like to analyse the rest, but the resolution makes some of it unreadable to someone of my skill level. But due to that elementary flaw, and the bad mistake in the first scan, I will not trust this one iota until it can be verified with a higher-quality scan or transcript.
Was that disagreement for the Acausality type 5? I agreed with the no type 5 thing for that reasoning, the translation kinda sucks and it also isn’t enough for type 5 anywayBluudy didn't remove it, I did. And I didn't re-add it to Simon's profile, since I pointed out a flaw with the reasoning, that no-one in the thread noticed earlier, and no-one has responded to it.
Tbh, there is no need for the guidebooks for the Immeasurable attack speed thing. Here’s a clip from the anime where Simon uses his Spiral Energy to fire probability fluctuating bullets through the past and future.But the one for Immeasurable speed is so low-quality I can't retranslate it myself
Yeah, but it makes me suspicious of other translations.Was that disagreement for the Acausality type 5? I agreed with the no type 5 thing for that reasoning, the translation kinda sucks and it also isn’t enough for type 5 anyway
Being able to have attacks reach different points of time =/= immeasurable speed. It can be done through time travel/portals, and here it seems to be, since those lasers all seem to create holes in reality which they disappear into.Tbh, there is no need for the guidebooks for the Immeasurable attack speed thing. Here’s a clip from the anime where Simon uses his Spiral Energy to fire probability fluctuating bullets through the past and future.
No, the bullets are literally travelling to the future and the past at their pure speed, and this is explained in the data books. there is no portal.Being able to have attacks reach different points of time =/= immeasurable speed. It can be done through time travel/portals, and here it seems to be, since those lasers all seem to create holes in reality which they disappear into.
The data book statement with the translation you've provided doesn't say anything indicating that.
and 'Mailstrom Cannon' of the Gun as a probability all cannon attacks that fire as a probability projectile.
He doesn't say he has such a limitation. You are missing the rest of the argument.Also, the fact that both the show and the data book, with the translation shown, indicate that it can only travel into the near future/past implies against Immeasurable, imo. Something that can just go to the past/future through speed shouldn't have that sort of limitation, it could just keep traveling backwards/forwards in time, and arrive any time, no matter how far back/forward, instantly.
Can any type of speed attack the near future and the near past? It does not only do this in a single dimension, but also in the infinite time dimensions of the universe. (I guess I don't need to tell you that the universe has infinite number space and time dimensions.)A massive number of enemies can be killed from the near past to the near future.
from the near past to the near future, in all time and space dimensions.
The enemy is destroyed in all time and space dimensions, from the near past to the near future.
I don't understand why you think that's implying that it's done through sheer speed.and 'Mailstrom Cannon' of the Gun as a probability all cannon attacks that fire as a probability projectile.
This feels like you're debunking your own point as soon as you bring it up.He doesn't say he has such a limitation. You are missing the rest of the argument.
Can any type of speed attack the near future and the near past? It does not only do this in a single dimension, but also in the infinite time dimensions of the universe. (I guess I don't need to tell you that the universe has infinite number space and time dimensions.)
That’s also what I want to explain; how it’s not a use of time travel.It can be done through time travel/portals, and here it seems to be, since those lasers all seem to create holes in reality which they disappear into
Sorry, I was editing the specific part I wanted to hyperlink and forgot. You can refresh, it’s there nowYou didn't link the Ashtanga clip in that post.
Yes, I didn’t deny the likeliness of it also being portal creation, but the point is that the bullet travelled to the time axis where that Ashtanga retreated to, and, while in the time axis, still needs to travel the distance to get to the opponentAnd yeah, I'd probably just argue that that's still portal creation, possibly with a wonky translation. idk why "Bullets need to travel the distance" would cause an issue with that
So if the translation is correct or at least pretty much what it means, does it qualify for Immeasurable?Welp, since that clip has no audio, I'll have to download the episode myself to check that translation. That might take a bit.
I have reason to believe that "time axis" can be used.Had a listen, and it uses "時間軸", while that can be used for "time axis" (say, the axis in a graph representing time), it can also be used for "timeline", both in a cosmological sense and a colloquial sense (i.e. "what's the timeline for this policy being implemented").
That doesn't sound like they're moving to some separate disjointed "time axis place" that the bullets would have to travel through to hit them
It is probably their visual interpretation. There are a lot of things in fiction that are visually inconsistent because sometimes the animators care more about making it visually pleasing, rather than make everything look 100% accurate.I just don't see why we'd take the interpretation of "Time is a separate dimension which these characters can travel through, without being in space at all", all because "It's a 10-D universe"
Given the cosmology of this verse, time axis being the term is, more likely than not, right.and "They said a word that could mean 'time axis'".
I just don't see how it is a "really huge stretch." There are a lot of huge stretches out there, but with the arguments provided, this qualifies as a huge stretch?That seems like a really huge stretch
No, what I mean is that it's more than just attacking the past and the future, it's doing it on all timelines.but you then go on to say that "all time and space dimensions" is just referring to how the series has many dimensions.
Can any type of speed attack the near future and the near past?
Given the cosmology of this verse, time axis being the term is, more likely than not, right.
Yeah, that's probably a cooler flowery term to use, but when we're trying to figure out what's literally going on, I think it's enlightening to tell that the meaning is probably more along the lines of "They'll attack us while moving through the timeline", which does not necessitate time travel through sheer speed, and does not imply that they'd only exist in time and have no corresponding location in space.It should also be worth noting that timeline is a term that's often times used in stories about time travel, or history and whatnot, especially when timeline doesn't need anything to do with dimensions. TTGL is not any of those things, it's literally a shounen anime about crazy people doing crazy things which just so happens to talk a lot about dimensions. Using the term "axis" when talking about dimensions is a more appropriate term than "timeline."
Welp, agree to disagree then.I just don't see how it is a "really huge stretch." There are a lot of huge stretches out there, but with the arguments provided, this qualifies as a huge stretch?
Doesn't matter, that can still be achieved through dimensional travel.No, what I mean is that it's more than just attacking the past and the future, it's doing it on all timelines.
I’m not saying that it’s cooler, my reasoning isn’t as simple as that. It’s closer to time axis than timeline because of how much more appropriate the term time axis is than timeline because of how frequently they talk about dimensions, especially with how TTGL referred to dimensional axes beforehand. A different set of dimensional axes being the 10th and 11th dimensions that the Isolated Universe, as an oscillating “space-time,” exists between. There is no reason to downplay it to merely “timeline” just for the sake of trying to lowball the interpretation, there are context clues that you could use to very reasonably argue “time axis” because of how they’ve already talked about “dimensional axes”Yeah, that's probably a cooler flowery term to use, but when we're trying to figure out what's literally going on, I think it's enlightening to tell that the meaning is probably more along the lines of "They'll attack us while moving through the timeline", which does not necessitate time travel through sheer speed, and does not imply that they'd only exist in time and have no corresponding location in space.
You have no evidence to say it went through the portalDoesn't matter, that can still be achieved through dimensional travel.
Dimensional travel can be done without portals. Traveling to another universe is a speed feat, meaning the fact that the bullets can be sent to other universes doesn’t help with the Immeasurable argumentYou have no evidence to say it went through the portal
Immeasurable speed also doesn't cover existing at multiple points in time (at least, it doesn't grant that any more than being immobile would). It seems like there's additional powers at play regardless.Anyways, back to the topic, another point that I’d like to bring up on how it isn’t time travel hax, is that Ashtanga, while in “time,” occupies multiple points in time, and the Spiral radar when looking for this one Ashtanga, detects it as numerous enemies. Time travel isn’t a power that covers people that can exist in multiple points in time at once, time travel is simply the use of going from point A to point B on the time axis
The visuals sure look like that, plus portals aren't necessary, people can teleport to other dimensions, other periods of time, etc.You have no evidence to say it went through the portal
Yeah, in this scenario the Ashtanga are attacking SGGL as they shift along the time axisThere are case that grant Immeasurable speed similar to this such as Solaris from Sonic, but that is because there is combat in play
I guess you can count it as High Complex Multiversal Range in the Time Axis, but the fact that they’re able to attack their enemies while shifting throughout the time axis should be enough to count it. Like Viet said, some cases are granted Immeasurable because there’s also combat involved, and that it isn’t just simply moving to point A to point B on the time axis (if I’m understanding it correctly)Immeasurable speed also doesn't cover existing at multiple points in time (at least, it doesn't grant that any more than being immobile would). It seems like there's additional powers at play regardless.
I don't see why it should. It doesn't require or imply being able to time travel through sheer speed.I guess you can count it as High Complex Multiversal Range in the Time Axis, but the fact that they’re able to attack their enemies while shifting throughout the time axis should be enough to count it. Like Viet said, some cases are granted Immeasurable because there’s also combat involved, and that it isn’t just simply moving to point A to point B on the time axis (if I’m understanding it correctly)
Then what should moving through time while simultaneously attacking an enemy be counted as? Time travel is as simple as going from point a to point b in time, but being able to act and react while shifting through time shouldn’t be considered hax, because then the downplay gets to a ridiculous point when you say it requires hax to move your arms or legs in a different dimensional axisI don't see why it should. It doesn't require or imply being able to time travel through sheer speed.