Ubel vs Boa 2: Now with more Kachon

[MonkeyOfLife]

But Luffy is a mythical zoan which is treated as something special in oppose to a normal zoan and awakened zoan.

What...? mythical zoan are still zoans, luffy is an awakened mythical zoan...

If they are animal-types, they gain extraordinary toughness and resilience. Although the awakening of animal-types is risky because their personalities may be taken over, a significant increase in strength is assured.

The facts are that luffys devil fruit act most in line with a paramecia since next to nothing about his fruit meets the animal like prerequisites implied by being a zoan he's literally just rubber which is objectively not an animal

He isn't rubber, his body (the zoan) has rubber like properties

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

The facts are that luffys devil fruit act most in line with a paramecia since next to nothing about his fruit meets the animal like prerequisites implied by being a zoan he's literally just rubber which is objectively not an animal

I don't care about the argument and think it should stop, however Luffy is objectively an animal since it's a Human fruit for the Sun God. Nika was just made of rubber, this is like arguing Chopper or Sengoku don't meet the animal like prerequisites just because they also ate human fruits.

Other mythical zoans follow the normal rules, therefore Luffy is no exception until given explicit evidence to the contrary.

 

[YungManzi]

8 pages!? What’s the tldr of this thread ?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

8 pages!? What’s the tldr of this thread ?

Boa supporters think Haki + Salome + Her Beauty gives an easy win

Ubel Supporters think Sealing + Paralysis + Dura-Cut gg gives an easy win

Grace has already been made, with the majority given to Boa. Agenda Haki transcends all

 

[Chariot190]

I frugot Ubel has sight based sealing/para. How does Boa get around that? Like SBA says they start in view of each other right?
Being open now I haven't read the thread so just tldr me quick.

 

[Kachon123]

No, you can still see everything down to her shoes

You're lying with the proof in front of your face. Here, I'll make it more obvious for you.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I frugot Ubel has sight based sealing/para. How does Boa get around that? Like SBA says they start in view of each other right?
Being open now I haven't read the thread so just tldr me quick.

Various devil fruits have different paralysis and sealing abilities, so there are arguments for her just resisting that.

Alternatively from what little I gathered from those two punching it out, Salome could possibly/likely block Boa from fully being in Ubel's sight resulting in it not working anyway

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I don't care about the argument and think it should stop, however Luffy is objectively an animal since it's a Human fruit for the Sun God. Nika was just made of rubber,

How does this prove we should look at it as an animal?

this is like arguing Chopper or Sengoku don't meet the animal like prerequisites just because they also ate human fruits.

- chopper actually follows the rules of what a zoan devil fruit is suppose to do

- sengokus fruit is also a mythical down that funnily enough also follows the same logic paramecias do thing back to the idea that mythical zoans should just be treated in a similar manner as paramecias

Other mythical zoans follow the normal rules, therefore Luffy is no exception until given explicit evidence to the contrary.

Yes, explicit evidence comes in the fact its effect turns his body to rubber and allows him to turn other things into rubber...

Rubber is not an animal based ability and is more in line with paramecia therefore in luffys case it follows the same logic a paramecia would

 

[Chariot190]

Various devil fruits have different paralysis and sealing abilities, so there are arguments for her just resisting that.

How does she though?
You said it yourself, different paralysis and sealing abilities.

If the mechanics between them aren't the same, and how she resisted it differs, it wouldn't inherently apply to all cases.

Alternatively from what little I gathered from those two punching it out, Salome could possibly/likely block Boa from fully being in Ubel's sight resulting in it not working anyway

Wrong type of "not in view", their whole body has to be within her pov, slight obscuring of the body matters less, hell if that was the case it'd never work because every wears cloaks and shit.
It becomes a major issue if say, her arm extended out past her peripheral, she wouldn't be in her view entirely now, that type of shit. It' why it wouldn't work on Sense, as Ubel considered her hair as part of her body, and her hair extended all over the place.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

You're lying with the proof in front of your face. Here, I'll make it more obvious for you.

You said salome covers the entire lower half of her body. Logically one would think "hmm what scan would suggest it covers the entire lower half of her body"

What you literally should have just said is that it covers a decent chunk of her body since that's what's actually happening here as you can still see her entire upper body and a good portion of her legs along with both shoes the only thing you can't see is her knee which fair game if that's the argument but better that than to call me a lier with a scan that doesn't actually cover half her body

Anyways I forgot if the specifics of sorganeil actually requires every inch of her body or just most of it (the upper body) so I'd leave this to more knowledgeable frieren supporters if didn't get fra trained in a day

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

How does this prove we should look at it as an animal?

Good news everyone, we not classify as a type of fruit

- sengokus fruit is also a mythical down that funnily enough also follows the same logic paramecias do thing back to the idea that mythical zoans should just be treated in a similar manner as paramecias

Dude, damn near anything can follow the same logic as paramecias if we try hard enough. We are talking about a power-set that starts at "Immunity to being cut" going to "I can summon ghosts" and ending at "AND FLUNG HIM INTO THE FUTURE WHERE MY EVIL IS STRONG!". None of the mythical awakenings have effect over their environment like Luffy does, none of them are classified as being close to paramecia besides Luffy (which was because of in-universe gaslighting), and the only argument you have is because they are made of a substance which isn't Paramecia exclusive and the animals that they turn into is just naturally like that.

 

[Kachon123]

How does this prove we should look at it as an animal?

- chopper actually follows the rules of what a zoan devil fruit is suppose to do

- sengokus fruit is also a mythical down that funnily enough also follows the same logic paramecias do thing back to the idea that mythical zoans should just be treated in a similar manner as paramecias

Yes, explicit evidence comes in the fact its effect turns his body to rubber and allows him to turn other things into rubber...

Rubber is not an animal based ability and is more in line with paramecia therefore in luffys case it follows the same logic a paramecia would

Luffy's devil fruit is the Human Human Fruit: Model Nika. Nika was a warrior who fought in any way he fancied and be had a rubbery body. Luffy ate the devil fruit based off of that person. Because of that, when Luffy awakened Gear 5th, he gained the abilities to turn his imagination to reality. Due to Luffy’s lack of formal training or understanding of his fruit’s true nature, he still believes his powers stem from a Paramecia-type ability. As a result, he operates within the mental framework of his pre-awakening understanding, defaulting to rubber-based logic when applying his powers.