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Upgrading the Great Sage Mitsuki and Yogiri to 1-A.

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The topic will be about promoting the Great Sage to 1A along with Yugiri, of course.



We have evidence proving that the entire world is just a dream seen by the Great Sage, and that his existence surpasses the world qualitatively. What we see in the work is only a symbolic representation that he creates within his dream.



Evidence ↓


On top of that, we were killing people all over the world," Haruto explained. "Though we personally didn't accomplish much, Zakuro wiped out most major cities. In short, the world was basically doomed."

Using her subordinates, the UEG had made quite a bit of progress in wiping out all life in the world.

"Huh? So does that mean the Great Sage saved the world?!" Tomochika asked.


"If the Great Sage is responsible for this, then yes," Sion answered. "I am not familiar with my grandfather's exact powers, but according to the rumors, this world is effectively a dream that he is seeing."

Volume 12 Chapter 3

The tear in space began to mend. Even the woman who had been sliced in two returned to normal. It was like time was rewinding just for everything the sword had touched.



"What the...hell... How did you do that?!"



"It's pretty simple. This world is a dream that I'm seeing. You and your sword are nothing more than parts of my imagination. So even if it looks like you're destroying the world on the surface, you can't actually get to the core of it. It would be weird if you, no more than a character in my dream, could destroy the dream itself, right?"

"There's no way that's true. How many worlds do you think I've traveled through? Ten thousand doesn't even come close. A hundred million might be getting there. Are you telling me those were all a dream?!

There's no way that's possible!"

Though he had entirely forgotten most of them, he knew full well that he had experienced countless worlds. Even the ones he remembered defied counting. He couldn't believe all of that had been part of the Great Sage's dream.

Volume 14 Chapter 23

This world is nothing more than your dream," Alexia replied. "You can do with it as you please. No one can blame you for any decision you make, as you are the world itself."

Volume 13 Chapter 4


I discussed the argument that claimed his power came from the amount of strength he received from the gods, and both the official and the expert agreed with me in refuting this claim.

The evidence and the reason ↓

If the Great Sage is responsible for this, then yes," Sion answered. "I am not familiar with my grandfather's exact powers, but according to the rumors, this world is effectively a dream that he is seeing."

"Uh...what?" Tomochika said. "What do you mean 'a dream he is seeing'? I don't get it at all!"

"I also laughed it off as impossible when I first heard it. No matter how powerful he may be, the fact that I was alive and thinking made it impossible to believe I was a part of someone else's dream. However, now that I have seen this situation, I cannot help but believe that it could be true; hence, the explanation I gave to all of you earlier."

"Saying that we dreamed it all is totally different than saying we're in someone else's dream though!"

Hmm...there are similar stories harking back to ancient times, such as myths that the world is the shell of a clam or the dream of a dragon.

"What can we even do, then?! We're all just sitting in the palm of his hands!" Tomochika cried.

Volume 12 Chapter 3.

In this context, their astonishment appears at the fact that everything is nothing but a dream imagined by the Great Sage, and from this context, their fear of him is evident. In the end, they say that we are in the palm of his hand. In short, the idea of this context is that it highlights the Great Sage’s danger and everyone’s fear of him, not because of his strength, but because everything is just a dream he sees, leaving them with nothing they can do, and they say that we are sitting in the palm of his hand.

On top of that, we were killing people all over the world," Haruto explained. "Though we personally didn't accomplish much, Zakuro wiped out most major cities. In short, the world was basically doomed."

Using her subordinates, the UEG had made quite a bit of progress in wiping out all life in the world.

"Huh? So does that mean the Great Sage saved the world?!" Tomochika asked.

"If the Great Sage is responsible for this, then yes," Sion answered. "I am not familiar with my grandfather's exact powers, but according to the rumors, this world is effectively a dream that he is seeing."

Volume 12 Chapter 3


In contexts, it is always indicated that the Great Sage’s state as a person who dreams the entire world is the problem that terrified them. They had nothing they could do against him; everyone was merely a game in his hands.

You said it. But this sword alone is uniquely sharp. I can't say there's anything it's ever been unable to cut. It's honestly so good at it, it ends up cutting things I didn't want to."

"I see. So you think it'll be able to cut me too?"

"Lord Mitsuki! That man is telling the truth!" The woman beside the Great Sage began to panic. "That sword is an exception in the Ultimate Ensemble World!"

"So am I, right?"

"True, but..."

"What, are you scared? If you dodge, you lose," Kyuuzaburou said. Dodging the slash would mean nothing. The world would still be split in two and destroyed. But he wanted to see the Great Sage's shock when he was cut in two, so he tried to provoke him anyway.

"Sure. I'll take your challenge," the Great Sage replied with a bright smile. Kyuuzaburou felt like he would lose his trust in people if the Great Sage dodged it now.

Volume 14 Chapter 23

All right, let's do this." Kyuuzaburou swung the sword in a wide sweep from right to left. It was a huge swing, though still far too distant to actually reach its target. He didn't know at exactly what point the sword's special properties began to apply, but as the tip passed by his own side, it started to slice through space itself.

The world itself was coming apart. The woman jumped in front of the blade as if to protect the Great Sage, stretching out her hands to create a barrier. But there was no way a barrier like that would save them. The blade was already slicing through space itself and therefore had no issue passing through the barrier and the woman herself. Her face twisted in shock. She had known full well what the sword was, but it seemed she still hadn't fully believed in its power before seeing it for herself.

Volume 14 Chapter 23

In short, what counted as rare and exceptional in one world was perfectly natural in another, but there were still things that counted as exceptional in all worlds. These were referred to as "exceptions." The name was nothing special, only enough to evoke the intended meaning within the proper context. There were few enough such phenomena that they needed no special name. None were particularly impressive on their own, notable only for having a characteristic that was applicable across all worlds.

Volume 14 Chapter 4

Finally, the context that convinced the officials themselves and the last argument, the exceptions were distinguished only by possessing a trait that applies to all worlds and Kyozaburo’s sword and the Great Sage are among these exceptions and they have a trait that applies to all worlds in the Final Group and the trait that Kyozaburo’s sword possesses is that it can cut anything and destroy any world no matter what in the worlds of the group and this trait that distinguishes the sword and applies to all worlds in the Final Group there was no way to stop it and there was nothing it could not cut and this is its trait and as for the Great Sage he possessed a trait which is that he dreams the entire world as mentioned above and his dream can act upon any world in the Final Group and Kyozaburo had previously mentioned that he traveled through millions no, countless, literally uncountable worlds and all of those worlds were part of the Great Sage’s dream and this is the evidence that clarifies and refutes the gods’ argument in addition to the contexts above.



You have this context and you have the context that points to the characters’ fear of his state as a person who dreams everything and their fear and their helplessness and their understanding that they are merely a game in his hands only and also we have the Great Sage is one of the exceptions and these exceptions have a trait that applies to all worlds in the Final Group and the Great Sage’s trait was that he dreams the entire world.



So, let’s begin with your story. As for what happened, it is very simple. You lost to Takato Yogiri. Your bullet did not reach Takato Yogiri.

“I see… this is interesting! It was worth coming out for! I didn’t expect this to happen!”

“You seem very calm for someone who lost.”

It is just a dream in the end. It is like a game that can be restarted at any time. You wouldn’t panic every time the player character dies in a game, would you?

“Pfft… ahahahahaha!”

Volume 14, Chapter 17

If you’re asking, then I can only answer. I’ll tell you. Takato Yogiri severed the connection between you and the world.”

“…What… does that mean…?”

He didn’t understand. He knew how to kill a living being. He could barely grasp how to kill a phenomenon like gravity. But what did it mean to kill a link?

Imagine the world were someone’s dream—how could one escape its influence? You would have to cut your connection to the dream. You would have to lose the ability to manipulate it freely. That is probably what Takato Yogiri thought.

“…What does that mean…?”

I mentioned a game analogy earlier. With that analogy, it’s as if your controller is broken. In other words, you can’t do anything anymore.

And he slowly began to understand.

He began to understand what was happening.

And when he understood what it meant, a feeling of terror began to rise within her.

Volume 14, Chapter 17

Mitsuki has become a being that exists only to support the world and merely observe his dream.

Volume 14, Chapter 17


In short, Yogiri severed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, which made the Great Sage merely a conscious existence without freedom over his dream and left him only to observe his dream without the ability to control it. The Great Sage explained to us that it is similar to a game: the death of your character in a game means nothing because at first he did not understand and began to laugh. He thought at first that Yogiri only killed his symbolic image shown in the dream, but in reality, Yogiri killed the connection between the dream and the dreamer, making him a being that exists solely to support and observe his dream. The god Koryu compared it to a person who only has the ability to control the game. The Great Sage’s existence is always external because he is the dreamer and creates symbolic images within his dream. The reason Yogiri killed the connection between the dream and the dreamer is that killing the dreamer means the end of the dream, and if the dream ends, it means the end of everything. This is what led Yogiri to open the third gate to fight the link between the dream and the dreamer, leaving him as a conscious existence supporting the world only and observing his dream without the ability to control it. The Great Sage’s existence is necessary because everything is merely a dream he sees, but Yogiri severed only the link, leaving him unable to control it while keeping him alive to support the dream’s existence so that everything continues without him being able to do anything.

Great Sage 1A.
Yogiri Takato 1A.





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Agree FRA 🐐
GOAT's aura is so high that you can't see his 5 scans, truly the dishonoured one.
 
Didn't appear on mobile so idk. Also stop with the condescending tone.
Here are the pieces of evidence, I’ll send them to you in this comment. I apologize for any offense—I sometimes speak like that, not to be arrogant, but I’ll try to improve my tone here.
Here you go ↓
 

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  • The realities are portrayed like parallel universes or otherwise as having just a finite difference in scale or having a similar nature.

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According to R/F regulations, the size of reality must be comparable to the universe.

However, Celestial Foundations are smaller than the universe. The maximum size of Celestial Foundations is the solar system.

Therefore, I disagree.
 
Personally, I want to understand what life is like for people who mock and eagerly wait for someone to post—whether at night, in the morning, or at noon—just so they can attack them as a group, and the same group uses it to mock you, leaving mocking and insulting comments. Honestly, I don’t know how this type of person lives. I thought people like this only existed in fiction.
 

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  • The realities are portrayed like parallel universes or otherwise as having just a finite difference in scale or having a similar nature.

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According to R/F regulations, the size of reality must be comparable to the universe.

However, Celestial Foundations are smaller than the universe. The maximum size of Celestial Foundations is the solar system.

Therefore, I disagree.

I told you, my brother, that the Great Sage sees everything in the Ultimate Group as a fantasy. Beyond that, I told you that the Kyuuzaburou Sword is one of the exceptions in the world of the Ultimate Group—it does not belong to any world and this sword alone can destroy all the worlds in the Ultimate Group. It is classified as level 2A, and this sword itself is only part of the Great Sage’s imagination. Therefore, the Great Sage’s imagination fulfills requirements far beyond what is needed: he sees a sword capable of destroying the Universal World classified as 2A as mere fantasy, and this sword can even cut through all the High Gods, being an exception that does not belong to any world.
 
Technically the size isn't important, what matters is how it works.
There are a billion pieces of evidence that the entire world is nothing but a dream dreamed by the Great Sage. Even if the whole world were destroyed, it would not reach his essence, which supports that he is completely external. Everything that happens in the world does not affect the Great Sage. Even the sword that can cut through all the worlds in the Ultimate Group, which does not belong to any world and is classified as 2A, is still only part

of the Great Sage’s imagination. The author has explained to us in multiple contexts that he sees the world as mere fantasy, that it is just a dream, and that they are just games. He said it is impossible for characters inside his dream to defeat him. This means the Great Sage achieves r>f absolutely and is the best character in the anime world, possessing numerous contexts that qualify him for this level.
Dream, fantasy, and game—that is everything he said. Furthermore, he confirmed that the entire world means nothing, and even if it were destroyed, it would not reach his essence. He also said it is impossible for characters from his dream to kill or defeat him. So there is nothing beyond this. Even the sword, which does not belong to any world and is classified as 2A, is only part of the Great Sage’s imagination.
 
There are a billion pieces of evidence that the entire world is nothing but a dream dreamed by the Great Sage
The issue is that it's clearly stated he dream of a single world and that it wasn't even the case since the beginning. So yeah, that just don't work sir.
 
The issue is that it's clearly stated he dream of a single world and that it wasn't even the case since the beginning. So yeah, that just don't work sir.
It doesn’t matter whether he has ruled it from the beginning or anything like that. What matters is that after he came into existence, he perceives the entire world as nothing but a dream and fantasy. I also mentioned that this sword can destroy all the worlds in the Ultimate Group, does not belong to any world, and can even cut through the Supreme Gods. It is classified as 2A, yet it is still only a part of the Great Sage’s imagination.

As for the “beginning” or such, that changes nothing. Once he existed, he saw the whole world as mere fantasy and a game. Even if the entire world were destroyed, it would not reach his essence. What matters is his existence—not whether it was from the beginning—but that his existence is what is most important. He qualitatively surpasses the entire world, and his essence can never be reached from the world (they are just games and characters in his dream and imagination, and it is not logical for a character from his dream and imagination to defeat him, which is exactly what he said). You need to focus on his level of existence, which achieves R>F.
 
Personally, I want to understand what life is like for people who mock and eagerly wait for someone to post—whether at night, in the morning, or at noon—just so they can attack them as a group, and the same group uses it to mock you, leaving mocking and insulting comments. Honestly, I don’t know how this type of person lives. I thought people like this only existed in fiction.
Bro was upgrading Yogurt to Tier 0 before, and now he asks about this
It says that if a character regards a world or spacetime as fiction, that qualifies them for 1-A.
Also, this isn't true. R > F is a very rare thing to upgrade. In some cases, seeing something as fiction would be just downscale to 11-C. You are treating every "R F" as "LOL Outer". FraudDao makes more sense to me right now, my king.

Unless you can prove how he sees whole ID worlds as fiction, my vote goes to disagree
 
Once he existed, he saw the whole world as mere fantasy and a game
No that's false, he only gained that ability when he got powers from the three goddess because at the beginning he only had a single power and that was his charm.
And since we know he gained his power from the combination of three different sources that cumulatively made him stronger than them, it's a direct anti-feat for a qualitative change.
 
Bro was upgrading Yogurt to Tier 0 before, and now he asks about this

Also, this isn't true. R > F is a very rare thing to upgrade. In some cases, seeing something as fiction would be just downscale to 11-C. You are treating every "R F" as "LOL Outer". FraudDao makes more sense to me right now, my king.

Unless you can prove how he sees whole ID worlds as fiction, my vote goes to disagree
First of all, you are not the one to decide, and there’s no need for bias. Secondly, on the page about Reality-Fiction Transcendence, it clearly states that if a character considers a universe or a spacetime as fiction and is qualitatively superior to its characters, this qualifies them for 1A.

Here’s the evidence↓

"Reality-Fiction Transcendence is a state where a being is qualitatively superior to another world, as a result of seeing the world as fiction and thus being more 'real' than said world. Due to this, the character will be treated as completely superior to the cosmology it transcends, and all characters limited to it, and will thus be granted a higher tier."

I also told you that the Kyuuzaburou sword is an exception in the Ultimate Group, it does not belong to any world, and this sword is capable of destroying all worlds in the Ultimate Group, even the Supreme Gods. This sword is classified as 2A on the level of cosmology, and yet it is only part of the Great Sage’s imagination. This proves that the Great Sage’s dream can encompass the entire Ultimate Group as well.

If you are the type to oppose without reason or just for the sake of opposition, I will not respond to you again, with all due respect.
 
**Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures. Their superiority over such realms, as such, is purely "qualitative"; based entirely on the ontological quality and nature of their existence, rather than any quantitative or numerical principle.

A way to explain their superiority over "physical composition" would be to bring attention to the fact that all of the previous tiers can be expressed as the union of constructs of lower tiers. For example, a 4-dimensional spacetime continuum is at most Low 2-C. However, an inaccessible cardinal's worth of such spacetimes is well into High 1-B+. In spite of the extremely large gap in size between the individuals comprising this totality and the totality itself, the latter is simply the sum of all the former, and as such both ultimately reside in the same state of existence, and have continuity of composition within that state.

Likewise, even the Von Neumann Universe (As well as larger structures still) is still simply the union of many elements that, individually, are smaller than itself. And the same applies to any mathematical space whatsoever.

A 1-A character or realm, on the other hand, fundamentally surpasses lower states of existence, with their sheer superiority not being expressible as the sum, union or permutation of anything in these lesser states. They, in other words, transcend lower existences to the point that those vanish into nothingness.[note 3]

This tier can be extended into higher levels based on further cases of qualitative superiority, in a similar (but not identical) fashion as Tiers 1-C or 1-B. And should a character or object affect something equivalent to infinitely many levels of qualitative superiority, they should have a "+" modifier in their Attack Potency section (Outerverse level+).**
 
First of all, you are not the one to decide, and there’s no need for bias. Secondly, on the page about Reality-Fiction Transcendence, it clearly states that if a character considers a universe or a spacetime as fiction and is qualitatively superior to its characters, this qualifies them for 1A.

Here’s the evidence↓

"Reality-Fiction Transcendence is a state where a being is qualitatively superior to another world, as a result of seeing the world as fiction and thus being more 'real' than said world. Due to this, the character will be treated as completely superior to the cosmology it transcends, and all characters limited to it, and will thus be granted a higher tier."

I also told you that the Kyuuzaburou sword is an exception in the Ultimate Group, it does not belong to any world, and this sword is capable of destroying all worlds in the Ultimate Group, even the Supreme Gods. This sword is classified as 2A on the level of cosmology, and yet it is only part of the Great Sage’s imagination. This proves that the Great Sage’s dream can encompass the entire Ultimate Group as well.

If you are the type to oppose without reason or just for the sake of opposition, I will not respond to you again, with all due respect.
The thing is, this page doesn't tell you R > F can be a "+1D" thing also

Our R F page clearly tells this also

So ye "he turned one world into fiction" analogy doesn't work
 
No that's false, he only gained that ability when he got powers from the three goddess because at the beginning he only had a single power and that was his charm.
And since we know he gained his power from the combination of three different sources that cumulatively made him stronger than them, it's a direct anti-feat for a qualitative change.
Let’s speak logically, please. First of all, the power he absorbed from the three gods was not what gave him this ability in the first place, because this is something exclusive to the Great Sage. It has nothing to do with the power he took. I’ve already given you proof of this: the Kyuuzaburou sword, which can destroy all worlds in the Ultimate Group and cut through all Supreme Gods, not just the three.

This sword itself is only part of the Great Sage’s imagination, and it is stronger than all the Supreme Gods. So if we follow the logic you’re talking about—which has nothing to do with the Great Sage’s state of existence, because that is a feature unique to him—then even if he had absorbed some power from three gods to become that strong, he still would not be able to affect Kyuuzaburou.

Kyuuzaburou can destroy everything, including all the Supreme Gods, not just those three. And even Kyuuzaburou itself is part of the Great Sage’s imagination, and no one has shown they can reach the Great Sage.

Your argument is fundamentally illogical and has been disproven by this sword, Kyuuzaburou.
 
Let’s speak logically, please. First of all, the power he absorbed from the three gods was not what gave him this ability in the first place, because this is something exclusive to the Great Sage
Man, did you read the scan? It literally says, word for word, that he only had a single power at the beginning, his charm. Whatever he gained after it was related to the goddesses.
 
The thing is, this page doesn't tell you R > F can be a "+1D" thing also

Our R F page clearly tells this also

So ye "he turned one world into fiction" analogy doesn't work
Alright, first of all, trying to ignore everything the Great Sage said: everything is just a dream, fiction, and a game. Even if you destroyed the entire world, you wouldn’t reach its core. It’s impossible for you, a mere character in his dream, to destroy the dream itself, isn’t that right? → This is exactly what the Great Sage said. He achieves R > F, and his core exists outside of everything. It can never be reached from the world, no matter what happens—even if everything is destroyed, it’s impossible to reach his core.

No character in his dream can destroy the dream itself. This proves that the Great Sage achieves R > F, because he exists in a higher reality. He cannot be reached under any circumstances, and he didn’t transform—he exists in a higher world. He even mentioned that even if the entire world is destroyed, you cannot reach his core. He exists at a level of higher reality, and that is clear. So please, do not try to twist or distort this fact.
 
Alright, first of all, trying to ignore everything the Great Sage said: everything is just a dream, fiction, and a game. Even if you destroyed the entire world, you wouldn’t reach its core. It’s impossible for you, a mere character in his dream, to destroy the dream itself, isn’t that right? → This is exactly what the Great Sage said. He achieves R > F, and his core exists outside of everything. It can never be reached from the world, no matter what happens—even if everything is destroyed, it’s impossible to reach his core.

No character in his dream can destroy the dream itself. This proves that the Great Sage achieves R > F, because he exists in a higher reality. He cannot be reached under any circumstances, and he didn’t transform—he exists in a higher world. He even mentioned that even if the entire world is destroyed, you cannot reach his core. He exists at a level of higher reality, and that is clear. So please, do not try to twist or distort this fact.
you just proved what he said....
 
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