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Upgrading the Great Sage Mitsuki and Yogiri to 1-A.

Azertyhuuh said:
There is one moderator who objected and did not provide any reasons for his objection, so his objection is as if it does not exist, so I will not even put him on the list of opponents until he provides his reason, and also the topic has just started and it will never be closed without my permission, and I have not finished working here or presenting all the arguments, and anyone who objects, whether staff or a member, must provide reasons and also respond to the arguments, and this morning I edited this topic and added new information to it, so the discussion is still ongoing until now and no one has refuted anything so far, and please review the topic again because I have just edited it.
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You are required to count staff votes, even if they don't meet the general expectations of explaining their votes...

Not to mention, he quite literally did explain why he disagreed...
Vietthai96 said:
Tbh, i'm currently taking a break so i decide to skim through the thread but


Ayo what? This isn't 1-A R>F, just Subjective Reality, by this very logic, anyone who can project their dream into reality gonna have 1-A


Yikes,

oke only these two things already blow up any argument for 1-A out of the water

Anyway, i disagree with the thread for now, now i'm going to sleep
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yeah....
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
You are required to count staff votes, even if they don't meet the general expectations of explaining their votes...

Not to mention, he quite literally did explain why he disagreed...

yeah....
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Not at all the staff member must provide reasons for their objection; otherwise, I will not place them on the list of opponents because they did not provide their reasons, and this can be considered as if they do not like working and objected without a reason, and also do not discuss this matter with me any further.

I have now edited the thread and added new information to it, and his reply was also a result of what the members said here, and I have responded to him as well, and from that moment until today he has not come to refute the argument, which means I cannot place him on the list of opponents unless he at least replies once to the response I gave, and I have now edited the thread, and even if he comes back this time, he must read it and respond to that same thread as it currently is.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
There is one moderator who objected and did not provide any reasons for his objection, so his objection is as if it does not exist
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No
I will assume that you don't know the rules hence your statement but this is not the case. Moderators aren't obligated to state the reasoning behind their disagreements. It's not necessary for them it's just better to state the reason.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Not at all the staff member must provide reasons for their objection; otherwise, I will not place them on the list of opponents because they did not provide their reasons, and this can be considered as if they do not like working and objected without a reason, and also do not discuss this matter with me any further.

I have now edited the thread and added new information to it, and his reply was also a result of what the members said here, and I have responded to him as well, and from that moment until today he has not come to refute the argument, which means I cannot place him on the list of opponents unless he at least replies once to the response I gave, and I have now edited the thread, and even if he comes back this time, he must read it and respond to that same thread as it currently is.
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Thats not how it works.... Since he has voted, the vote will stay unless he comes back and changes it.... It doesn't matter how much you have changed your arguments....
 
Even with the new info added
I see nothing here presenting 1A.
This is just subjective reality

Unless you can prove that one is Qualitively superior to the other or R>F (Hate RF)

Then maybe but I can't see anything that presents that either.
 
Guess it is another case of i dont like how the staff disagree with me so i am just gonna take it as agreement
 
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Zanesucksatlife said:
Even with the new info added
I see nothing here presenting 1A.
This is just subjective reality

Unless you can prove that one is Qualitively superior to the other or R>F (Hate RF)

Then maybe but I can't see anything that presents that either.
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AyOgUyS said:
Not a Instant Death or 1-A expert but all of that just seems to be Subjective Reality instead of an actual 1-A tiering
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No mistake.

I will explain it for the last time here:

Imagine now, for example, you are dreaming, and you dream of the world and the characters, and all of them exist only within your dream, only within your imagination. And at this stage, you are the dreamer, and the dream is your dream. And since you are the dreamer, you see your dream and everything in it as mere imagination and something trivial. And no matter what happens, the characters in your dream will never be able to affect you or your dream, or ever exit your dream. And at this stage as well, you, as a dreamer dreaming the entire dream, you have r>f over it. So it is impossible for something you dream of to reach you, regardless of the number of dimensions or the strength of the character; it will never be able to affect you personally, your true self, which exists at a level higher than reality and dreams of everything. And when you dream of the world and the characters, you participate in this dream by creating symbolic images of yourself to interact within it, of course. So your dreaming self itself cannot exist inside your dream. Therefore, when we imagine and dream, it is not our actual selves that are inside the dream; rather, we create symbolic images of ourselves to interact within it only.

And all of this applies here to the Great Sage. The Great Sage is the one who dreams of the world and the characters, and everything is part of his dream. The Great Sage is the dreamer, and no one, no matter who, can ever reach him or influence him. Even if you destroyed the entire world within his dream, you would never reach his essence, because he is the dreamer. The dreamer always has r>f over his dream.

"It's pretty simple. This world is a dream that I'm seeing. You and your sword are nothing more than parts of my imagination. So even if it looks like you're destroying the world on the surface, you can't actually get to the core of it. It would be weird if you, no more than a character in my dream, could destroy the dream itself, right?"
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As you can see here, even if someone were to destroy the entire world, that would never reach his essence, because his essence is located at a level higher than reality, as the dreamer always has R>f over everything he dreams of. And for this reason, even if a character destroys the world you are dreaming of, that would never be a problem, because you, the dreamer, as soon as you want the world to return, it will return, and it is impossible to reach your essence, because it is impossible for a character in your dream to destroy your dream, or affect you, or reach you.

So, let’s begin with your story. As for what happened, it is very simple. You lost to Takato Yogiri. Your bullet did not reach Takato Yogiri.

“I see… this is interesting! It was worth coming out for! I didn’t expect this to happen!”

“You seem very calm for someone who lost.”

It is just a dream in the end. It is like a game that can be restarted at any time. You wouldn’t panic every time the player character dies in a game, would you?

“Pfft… ahahahahaha!”

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In this chapter, the Sage was laughing and saying that it is like a game; you wouldn't grieve or cry if your character died inside the game, you can return whenever you want. And he began to laugh because the Great Sage was creating symbolic images within his dream to interact with the characters and exist in the world, since it is impossible for the dreamer himself to exist within his own dream. As a dreamer who dreams of everything, the dreamer always has R>f over his dream. No matter how powerful the characters within his dream become, or the number of dimensions, and so on, this will never affect the dreamer.

If you’re asking, then I can only answer. I’ll tell you. Takato Yogiri severed the connection between you and the world.”

“…What… does that mean…?”

He didn’t understand. He knew how to kill a living being. He could barely grasp how to kill a phenomenon like gravity. But what did it mean to kill a link?

Imagine the world were someone’s dream—how could one escape its influence? You would have to cut your connection to the dream. You would have to lose the ability to manipulate it freely. That is probably what Takato Yogiri thought.

“…What does that mean…?”

I mentioned a game analogy earlier. With that analogy, it’s as if your controller is broken. In other words, you can’t do anything anymore.

And he slowly began to understand.

He began to understand what was happening.

And when he understood what it meant, a feeling of terror began to rise within her.

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Mitsuki has become a being that exists only to support the world and merely observe his dream.

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If the Great Sage died, the entire world would have been destroyed and come to an end, because the Great Sage is the dreamer, and if the dreamer dies, his dream ends, and with it, everything in it ceases to exist. That is why Yogiri severed the connection that binds the dreamer to his dream. And here, the god Kurio explains to the Great Sage what happened to him, stating and explaining that Yogiri killed the link between the dreamer and the dream, thereby making you a person whose existence only sustains the dream, and you can no longer control it or do as you wish with it. He likened it to a game, like having your controller destroyed, causing you to lose your ability to control your character in the game and the power to control it. The same applies here. Yogiri killed the link between the dreamer and the dream so that the dreamer would lose his ability to control his dream. Because if Yogiri had killed the dreamer, everything would have vanished it would have been mutual destruction. Therefore, Yogiri thought of another method: severing the link between the dreamer and the dream. Thus, the dreamer still exists but cannot control his dream. In this way, the dreamer remains alive to sustain the existence of the dream, yet at the same time, he will never be able to control it.

In short, the existence of the Great Sage as a dreamer grants him R>f over the entire world. He creates symbolic images within his dream to interact within it, and even if the entire world is destroyed, that destruction would never reach his essence. No character from within the dream can destroy the dream itself, as the Great Sage told him. Thus, the Great Sage's existence as a dreamer, and the dreamer always has R>f because he is the dreamer, and the dreamer himself cannot exist inside his dream; rather, he can only create symbolic images to interact with his dream, just as the Great Sage does.

This is my last reply, and I will now only wait for the staff's response, because I am truly exhausted from explaining.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Imagine now, for example, you are dreaming, and you dream of the world and the characters, and all of them exist only within your dream, only within your imagination. And at this stage, you are the dreamer, and the dream is your dream. And since you are the dreamer, you see your dream and everything in it as mere imagination and something trivial. And at this stage as well, you, as a dreamer dreaming the entire dream, you have r>f over it.

And all of this applies here to the Great Sage. The Great Sage is the one who dreams of the world and the characters, and everything is part of his dream. The Great Sage is the dreamer, and no one, no matter who, can ever reach him or influence him. Even if you destroyed the entire world within his dream, you would never reach his essence, because he is the dreamer. The dreamer always has r>f over his dream.
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well I think it certainly implies he's far bigger and vaster than the cosmology (which is 2-A I believe?), but that can be achieved through higher dimensional differences as well
 
SweetDao said:
He's dreaming of a single world btw. He literally turned one into his dream so...
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No. In fact, the Great Sage’s dream can apply to all worlds in the final set, not just a single world.

The tear in space began to mend. Even the woman who had been sliced in two returned to normal. It was like time was rewinding just for everything the sword had touched.

"What the...hell... How did you do that?!"

"It's pretty simple. This world is a dream that I'm seeing. You and your sword are nothing more than parts of my imagination. So even if it looks like you're destroying the world on the surface, you can't actually get to the core of it. It would be weird if you, no more than a character in my dream, could destroy the dream itself, right?"

"There's no way that's true. How many worlds do you think I've traveled through? Ten thousand doesn't even come close. A hundred million might be getting there. Are you telling me those were all a dream?!

There's no way that's possible!"

Though he had entirely forgotten most of them, he knew full well that he had experienced countless worlds. Even the ones he remembered defied counting. He couldn't believe all of that had been part of the Great Sage's dream.

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Look for yourself here: there were countless worlds in fact, they defied counting itself and all of them were part of the Great Sage’s dream.

The most important thing is his state as a dreamer, and a dreamer always achieves R>F over their dream that’s what matters most. You need to focus on his state as a dreamer before anything else.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
No mistake.

I will explain it for the last time here:

Imagine now, for example, you are dreaming, and you dream of the world and the characters, and all of them exist only within your dream, only within your imagination. And at this stage, you are the dreamer, and the dream is your dream. And since you are the dreamer, you see your dream and everything in it as mere imagination and something trivial. And no matter what happens, the characters in your dream will never be able to affect you or your dream, or ever exit your dream. And at this stage as well, you, as a dreamer dreaming the entire dream, you have r>f over it. So it is impossible for something you dream of to reach you, regardless of the number of dimensions or the strength of the character; it will never be able to affect you personally, your true self, which exists at a level higher than reality and dreams of everything. And when you dream of the world and the characters, you participate in this dream by creating symbolic images of yourself to interact within it, of course. So your dreaming self itself cannot exist inside your dream. Therefore, when we imagine and dream, it is not our actual selves that are inside the dream; rather, we create symbolic images of ourselves to interact within it only.

And all of this applies here to the Great Sage. The Great Sage is the one who dreams of the world and the characters, and everything is part of his dream. The Great Sage is the dreamer, and no one, no matter who, can ever reach him or influence him. Even if you destroyed the entire world within his dream, you would never reach his essence, because he is the dreamer. The dreamer always has r>f over his dream.



As you can see here, even if someone were to destroy the entire world, that would never reach his essence, because his essence is located at a level higher than reality, as the dreamer always has R>f over everything he dreams of. And for this reason, even if a character destroys the world you are dreaming of, that would never be a problem, because you, the dreamer, as soon as you want the world to return, it will return, and it is impossible to reach your essence, because it is impossible for a character in your dream to destroy your dream, or affect you, or reach you.



In this chapter, the Sage was laughing and saying that it is like a game; you wouldn't grieve or cry if your character died inside the game, you can return whenever you want. And he began to laugh because the Great Sage was creating symbolic images within his dream to interact with the characters and exist in the world, since it is impossible for the dreamer himself to exist within his own dream. As a dreamer who dreams of everything, the dreamer always has R>f over his dream. No matter how powerful the characters within his dream become, or the number of dimensions, and so on, this will never affect the dreamer.





If the Great Sage died, the entire world would have been destroyed and come to an end, because the Great Sage is the dreamer, and if the dreamer dies, his dream ends, and with it, everything in it ceases to exist. That is why Yogiri severed the connection that binds the dreamer to his dream. And here, the god Kurio explains to the Great Sage what happened to him, stating and explaining that Yogiri killed the link between the dreamer and the dream, thereby making you a person whose existence only sustains the dream, and you can no longer control it or do as you wish with it. He likened it to a game, like having your controller destroyed, causing you to lose your ability to control your character in the game and the power to control it. The same applies here. Yogiri killed the link between the dreamer and the dream so that the dreamer would lose his ability to control his dream. Because if Yogiri had killed the dreamer, everything would have vanished it would have been mutual destruction. Therefore, Yogiri thought of another method: severing the link between the dreamer and the dream. Thus, the dreamer still exists but cannot control his dream. In this way, the dreamer remains alive to sustain the existence of the dream, yet at the same time, he will never be able to control it.

In short, the existence of the Great Sage as a dreamer grants him R>f over the entire world. He creates symbolic images within his dream to interact within it, and even if the entire world is destroyed, that destruction would never reach his essence. No character from within the dream can destroy the dream itself, as the Great Sage told him. Thus, the Great Sage's existence as a dreamer, and the dreamer always has R>f because he is the dreamer, and the dreamer himself cannot exist inside his dream; rather, he can only create symbolic images to interact with his dream, just as the Great Sage does.

This is my last reply, and I will now only wait for the staff's response, because I am truly exhausted from explaining.
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So what you sent isn't enough evidence for
R>F
If we said this was enough then we would have to give every dreamer on here 1A just because they can do the same stuff.
You would need to actually prove that their dreams, can dream up reality like fiction and I see nothing implying that.
So >


In short, the existence of the Great Sage as a dreamer grants him R>f over the entire world. He creates symbolic images within his dream to interact within it, and even if the entire world is destroyed, that destruction would never reach his essence. No character from within the dream can destroy the dream itself, as the Great Sage told him. Thus, the Great Sage's existence as a dreamer, and the dreamer always has R>f because he is the dreamer, and the dreamer himself cannot exist inside his dream; rather, he can only create symbolic images to interact with his dream, just as the Great Sage does.
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Grants nothing,
This is basically Darkrai from Pokémon, who can enter people's dreams (getting that's what's being implied) and I don't see him having R>F.

And as another has said, turned one dream into a universe but that doesn't mean the dreamer views that universe as a work of fiction. If anything it'll grant a L2C feat.
As he dreamt up a universe. A form of reality manipulation too or smth.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Look for yourself here: there were countless worlds in fact, they defied counting itself and all of them were part of the Great Sage’s dream.
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He literally explained afterward that it was just a matter of implanted memories.
Azertyhuuh said:
No. In fact, the Great Sage’s dream can apply to all worlds in the final set, not just a single world.
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No, again, his power is HIS LOOK. That has been stated multiple times. At that point, you're just not reading the scans. Astral made a long explanation as to why R>F makes no sense.
 
SweetDao said:
He literally explained afterward that it was just a matter of implanted memories.

No, again, his power is HIS LOOK. That has been stated multiple times. At that point, you're just not reading the scans. Astral made a long explanation as to why R>F makes no sense.
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What are you even talking about??? The Great Sage is mentioning the Five-Minute Theory, and none of what you said is related to that at all. And if you don’t know what the Five-Minute Theory is or what it means, you can look it up yourself.

What does beauty have to do with his power? Right now I’m talking about his state as the dreamer of the entire world, and a dreamer always has r>f over their dream. As for Astral, he himself doesn’t understand anything about the Instant Death series he told me that personally. And so far I don’t see anyone refuting the argument, and some of the commenters in this thread lack experience with the tiering system, so I think the only solution is to call in a group of staff members here.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
What are you even talking about??? The Great Sage is mentioning the Five-Minute Theory, and none of what you said is related to that at all. And if you don’t know what the Five-Minute Theory is or what it means, you can look it up yourself.
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Yeah, it's literally explained in the scan I sent.
Azertyhuuh said:
What does beauty have to do with his power? Right now I’m talking about his state as the dreamer of the entire world, and a dreamer always has r>f over their dream. As for Astral, he himself doesn’t understand anything about the Instant Death series he told me that personally. And so far I don’t see anyone refuting the argument, and some of the commenters in this thread lack experience with the tiering system, so I think the only solution is to call in a group of staff members here.
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His. Power. Before. The. Goddesses. Give. Theirs. To. Him. Was. Only. His. Beauty.

I don't care about the dreamer/dream or whatever. He got it afterward. He transformed the Celestial Foundation into his dream as it's explicitly stated in the novel and by the author in a QnA.

Also, there is already a staff member who disagreed with you, so while sure, we still need one or two more, you need to put Vietthai regardless. If you don't, that's something you can be reported for.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Not at all the staff member must provide reasons for their objection; otherwise, I will not place them on the list of opponents because they did not provide their reasons, and this can be considered as if they do not like working and objected without a reason, and also do not discuss this matter with me any further.

I have now edited the thread and added new information to it, and his reply was also a result of what the members said here, and I have responded to him as well, and from that moment until today he has not come to refute the argument, which means I cannot place him on the list of opponents unless he at least replies once to the response I gave, and I have now edited the thread, and even if he comes back this time, he must read it and respond to that same thread as it currently is.
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Dark_Soul20189 said:
Thats not how it works.... Since he has voted, the vote will stay unless he comes back and changes it.... It doesn't matter how much you have changed your arguments....
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I will say this only once and dip from the thread:

@Azertyhuuh staff votes are officially counted. While it is reasonable to expect a response against your counterargument to their vote, the vote is still official. If you feel the staff in question is being biased and/or is not considering your argument, you can report him to HR. However, the vote should still be counted unless they give explicit confirmation of otherwise. What will simply happen is the thread won't move on until the staff (or any other staff member that decides to participate), reviews the thread and give their own response. However, you not liking or disagreeing with the response does not give authority to discount their vote.

As for @Dark_Soul20189, it absolutely matters when OP adds more information. Straight from our discussion rules:
For verse-specific threads, if the only opposing party does not reply for over 2 weeks without any notice or known/suspected extenuating circumstances, then the moderators should try to get the thread to completion without them, assuming that they'd probably not reply. However, their points should not be discarded, and this should not be treated as that user conceding. Their arguments and votes should be kept in mind while the thread goes on and anybody else is free to argue in their stead.
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While the vote won't be invalidated entirely, it does paint the particular staff in a bad light and other staff members should come to evaluate before deeming the proposal entirely rejected.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I will say this only once and dip from the thread:

@Azertyhuuh staff votes are officially counted. While it is reasonable to expect a response against your counterargument to their vote, the vote is still official. If you feel the staff in question is being biased and/or is not considering your argument, you can report him to HR. However, the vote should still be counted unless they give explicit confirmation of otherwise. What will simply happen is the thread won't move on until the staff (or any other staff member that decides to participate), reviews the thread and give their own response. However, you not liking or disagreeing with the response does not give authority to discount their vote.

As for @Dark_Soul20189, it absolutely matters when OP adds more information. Straight from our discussion rules:


While the vote won't be invalidated entirely, it does paint the particular staff in a bad light and other staff members should come to evaluate before deeming the proposal entirely rejected.
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Can you tag staff? :3
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
As for @Dark_Soul20189, it absolutely matters when OP adds more information. Straight from our discussion rules:
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LephyrTheRevanchist said:
While the vote won't be invalidated entirely, it does paint the particular staff in a bad light and other staff members should come to evaluate before deeming the proposal entirely rejected.
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Yeah, pretty much what I said, it doesn't look good, but it is within the rules...

Either way, it is practically irrelevant since what Viet used nukes for any possible R>F... And that is not even close to everything that goes against it...
But here is a quick list of hard debunks for this.

*Mizuki resides within his own dream, without ""supassing"" it.
*It is only a single world
*He gained his power through a finite number of points given by 3 (unless I am misremembering the number) goddesses, allowing his points to surpass them, thus gaining those powers.
*His original power was "his beauthy"

So yeah... I think this is far more than enough to comfortably conclude that the Anti-feats are more than enough to conclude R>F is not possible.
 
Up to this moment, no moderator or staff member has evaluated the topic yet, and this topic will never be closed until I want it to be, and I see the time is appropriate for that. It will only close after six or more staff opponents, because some moderators know nothing and have no experience with this work. Also, there are moderators here who are friends with those who dislike this work, so they might come and declare opposition without reason or say they agree with this or that. Therefore, at least six or more opponents and three approvals from staff are required, and I will apply the edits regardless of the opponents afterward.
 
Since you was adamant about staff need to state their reasons for their disagreement. I already stated that at best what Mitsuki did was Subjective Reality feat, from what was posted in this thread, it seems Mitsuki can turn one world into dream and vice versa, while he can use this power on all worlds, that is irrelevant, cause it isn't what 1-A is, 1-A is that the baseline reality is all but a dream for a higher being or reality make it nonexistent to said being or reality thus constitute qualitative superiority. What Mutsuki did wasn't, he simply turn thing that is physically real into a dream and vice versa, that is all, and even if you want a tier for such a feat, then it is simply 11-C feat
 
Vietthai96 said:
Since you was adamant about staff need to state their reasons for their disagreement. I already stated that at best what Mitsuki did was Subjective Reality feat, from what was posted in this thread, it seems Mitsuki can turn one world into dream and vice versa, while he can use this power on all worlds, that is irrelevant, cause it isn't what 1-A is, 1-A is that the baseline reality is all but a dream for a higher being or reality make it nonexistent to said being or reality thus constitute qualitative superiority. What Mutsuki did wasn't, he simply turn thing that is physically real into a dream and vice versa, that is all, and even if you want a tier for such a feat, then it is simply 11-C feat
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OP added more args to the post, could u tag staff so they can re evualute it? :3
 
I will take a look when available.

Azertyhuuh said:
Up to this moment, no moderator or staff member has evaluated the topic yet, and this topic will never be closed until I want it to be, and I see the time is appropriate for that. It will only close after six or more staff opponents, because some moderators know nothing and have no experience with this work. Also, there are moderators here who are friends with those who dislike this work, so they might come and declare opposition without reason or say they agree with this or that. Therefore, at least six or more opponents and three approvals from staff are required, and I will apply the edits regardless of the opponents afterward.
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If you have issues with certain staff members and believe they are acting out of bias, please report them to HR. Do not go around accusing people without a solid basis. Even if you have a valid reason and proof to back up your claims, the correct procedure is to report them privately to HR with that evidence, not to go around defaming them. I hope this accusatory behavior will not be repeated again. To be clear and precise, it must not be repeated again. And i am saying this for your own good than of anyone else.
 
Reiner04 said:
I will take a look when available.


If you have issues with certain staff members and believe they are acting out of bias, please report them to HR. Do not go around accusing people without a solid basis. Even if you have a valid reason and proof to back up your claims, the correct procedure is to report them privately to HR with that evidence, not to go around defaming them. I hope this accusatory behavior will not be repeated again. To be clear and precise, it must not be repeated again. And i am saying this for your own good than of anyone else.
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Alright, what is your opinion on the topic?
 
Vietthai96 said:
Since you was adamant about staff need to state their reasons for their disagreement. I already stated that at best what Mitsuki did was Subjective Reality feat, from what was posted in this thread, it seems Mitsuki can turn one world into dream and vice versa, while he can use this power on all worlds, that is irrelevant, cause it isn't what 1-A is, 1-A is that the baseline reality is all but a dream for a higher being or reality make it nonexistent to said being or reality thus constitute qualitative superiority. What Mutsuki did wasn't, he simply turn thing that is physically real into a dream and vice versa, that is all, and even if you want a tier for such a feat, then it is simply 11-C feat
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The arguments have changed since that time, and what you say here also does not apply to the Great Sage. On the self-reality page, it talks about characters capable of turning imagination into reality or turning certain entities or things into illusion, dream, or mere fantasy while they themselves remain in the same reality and their level of existence does not change or anything like that, and none of this has anything to do with the Great Sage.

The Great Sage dreams of the entire world from a higher level of reality that cannot be reached; his essence cannot be attained from the whole world and everything in it, and even if you destroyed the entire world you would not reach his essence. A mere character from inside my dream cannot destroy the dream itself! That is what the Great Sage said: the Great Sage achieves r>f over the entire world because he is the dreamer, and as I told you, the Great Sage exists on a higher level of reality and cannot be reached even if everything is destroyed you will not reach his essence and he himself creates symbolic avatars inside his dream to interact with the world, because the dreamer exists on a level higher than reality and the dreamer himself cannot literally be inside his own dream, so he creates symbolic forms to interact with his dream as he mentioned, and you can go back to the topic.

The phrase in which you said “I made the world my own dream” is not as you think; rather, the Great Sage is one of the exceptions, and the exceptions are individuals distinguished by a trait that applies to any world whatsoever, and the Great Sage’s trait is that everything is part of his dream from a higher reality as a dreamer, and this dream of his can apply to any world whatsoever from a higher reality, and therefore you will find statements saying “I made this world my dream”; rather, his dream extends to any world in the final set from a higher reality. You should know one thing only: the Great Sage is always in a higher reality as a dreamer; he can never be reached no matter if the whole world is destroyed you will not reach his essence. When Yogiri cut the connection between the dreamer and the dream, he became merely a supporter of the existence of the whole world, because his death would mean the end of the world, and thus cutting the connection was the most appropriate choice, and afterward the Great Sage remained merely a being from a higher reality as a dreamer, observing his dream from there without the ability to control it.
 
Maniaunavailable said:
Thx staff for re evaluating. I dont matter but the new args didnt change the core issue of the scale. Still disagree
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Can you tell me where the staff members who evaluated the topic are now?? I think there has only been one evaluation, and it was announced a month ago. So far, no other staff member has come to evaluate the current topic.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Can you tell me where the staff members who evaluated the topic are now?? I think there has only been one evaluation, and it was announced a month ago. So far, no other staff member has come to evaluate the current topic.
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reiner gonna re check it out, vetti gave another justifaction. The rest will comre prob tmr, chill
 
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