X, X, X! Why does everyone like that guy? (Mega Man X CRT: Justifications, Intelligence, Abilities and resistance Upgrades)

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[Migue79]

Saving you the trouble of getting this evaluated, Black Hole throwing isn't valid

If you want Pre-Stellar Mega Man just use this

Throwing it PHYSICALLY (aka making active contact with the event horizon and singularity of the black hole like it were a tennis ball or a baseball) you can't use as feats. But... that doesn't make sense for characters that resist black holes...

Figured I'd clarify that.

I'll read the rest later. Had a bit of a long day.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Throwing it PHYSICALLY (aka making active contact with the event horizon and singularity of the black hole like it were a tennis ball or a baseball) you can't use as feats. But... that doesn't make sense for characters that resist black holes...

Figured I'd clarify that.

I'll read the rest later. Had a bit of a long day.

 

[Migue79]

Alright... Just keep in mind that I am not a Thread Mod, but you can use this feedback to improve your CRT.

My thoughts. Here they come:

Spoiler: Intelligence

Despite X being a pacifist, Sigma explicitly states that X is the number one Maverick Hunter (a statement that was only made 3 games after Green Bike Dude death btw). With Sigma attributing this to X intelligence, skills, and strength. This would put him at least above Zero in combat wise, since this statement includes him as well. This is consistent with the fact that X defeated emulated data of his Ultimate Armor self in X6 and Awakened Zero fight together.

I agree with X upscaling Zero in terms of skill and strength especially since Zero himself admits X is superior (in X6). Just make sure to include that in your CRT too. I would also want you to put in some scans that would make sure it includes intelligence (like how that statement makes him above Signas or whatever), just so no mod can just argue against it. And yeah, I also agree with the X Challenge final fight. But only the upscaling intelligence above Zero can only do it.

X also mastered the Hadouken nearly instantly after seeing it for the first time, despite it's is a technique that only a few people have been able to master through intense training.

Ok, but we see in the video that Dr. Light (through the capsule) uploads the data to X himself. So this isn't good.

X has also cracked/decode the security system of the trans server, something Ciel couldn't do yet. Ciel being a Genius who create the "perfect copy" of X, while other genius like Gate couldn't even analyze X's body, even though Gate being able to create Infinity Mijinion, who analyzes information with the accuracy and speed of multiple supercomputers. And the X Era supercomputers should be superior to the likes of Ra Moon, a supercomputer capable of creating highly complex robots almost instantly.

Ok, here's the thing: X is a Cyber-Elf, which means he can just do Tech Manip/Data Manip to decode the security system rather than through sheer intelligence. You might need evidence that it is through that if you want to use this as justification. Otherwise, this isn't good either.

Since X is stated to be "the pinnacle of Dr. Light's work" - "the most advanced Robot Yet", with any of Dr. Wily's incidents being nothing in comparison to him. This would make X way above Rock, who fought up to at least 88 Robot Masters, robots comparable to or superior to himself.

The most notable examples include:

• Tengu Man, who can read airflow with extreme precision.
• Knight Man, who has defeat thousands of skilled robots in direct combat.
• Copy Robot, who can instantly replicate the abilities, intelligence, and skills of his targets and also improve them in all aspects.
• Rockman Shadow, Rock's future counterpart who upgrade himself and destroy everything during his era in the future, with NOTHING being able to stop him, which includes guys comparable or even stronger than Rock, like Bass, Proto Man, and probability even Duo.

There also other additional supporting feats, such as defeating Sigma multiple times despite Sigma becoming stronger after each defeat, as well defeat ever-single zoo animal uprising, successfully commanding Neo Arcadia alone, something his "perfect copy" couldn't do, and fighting countless numbers of Mavericks for nearly a hundred years.

This is all good and needs to go into X's profile, but this does not prove Extraordinary Genius intelligence for X for reference.

I think your only good option to solidly get X to Extraordinary Genius Intelligence is proving that he upscales Zero or anyone else in terms of intelligence. One way could be proving that No. 1 Hunter rank includes intelligence too for example: basically expand upon that upscaling. But the other justifications aren't that good sadly.

Spoiler: Abilities and resistances

Power Absorption, Data Manipulation & Information Manipulation Type 2 (X can absorb and control the DNA/Data of Mavericks then he defeats to replicate them and DNA/Data forms the characteristics of a reploid, including his powers and abilities and even they consciousness/personality)
Durability Negation (With Hadouken & Shoryuken, X can one-shot enemies, completely ignoring their durability)

I agree with the Power Absorption, Data Manip and Info Manip Type 2, but I disagree with Dura Neg for the Hadouken and Shoryuken. The Hadouken doesn't even dent certain enemies at all (like Bosspider and Sigma's 2nd form), and the Shoryuken we can clearly see just eat up the damage of the bosses gradually. Both should just upscale X's normal attacks.

Layered Mind Manipulation, Layered Perception Manipulation, Possession, Layered Power Nullification, Technology Manipulation, Enhanced Corruption (Type 2), Data Manipulation, Layered Hacking, Information Manipulation Type 2, Biological Manipulation, Soul Manipulation & Layered Madness Manipulation (3 Layers; X is stated to have "Perfect virus countermeasures" and he also treats the likes of the Sigma Virus and Nightmare Virus as normal attacks. With the Sigma Virus being capable of quickly spreading through the whole planet whose main ability is to twist the mind of Reploids to his own control. Said effects of the virus includes corrupting and controlling the victims he infects and causing to them to become completely lunatic, lose their sense of reality and can also put illusions on their victims. X is fine even running in locations infected with the Nightmare Phenomenon, which was stated to rewrite the DNA and soul of a Reploid. The Nightmare can also erase their thoughts, possess and corrupt a reploid. The Sigma Virus and the Nightmare Virus are also able of corrupting Sigma, who's was made to be immune to all virus, which incluides the likes of the Roboenza and the Evil Energy. The Evil Energy is a source of power that amplifies the evil in someone, causing them go completely insane and also being consumed by it, which would eventually take over Earth and the Roboenza is a virus that makes robots malfunction and also takes over their minds and turns them into violent robots hellbent on destruction, despite the fact Robot Masters have in-built devices that protect them against hacking and modifications)

Ok, you need to organise how this is worded 'cause I had a bit of a hard time following. Like, put the non-layered stuff first next to each other, then put the layered stuff right next to each other with a desc next to it saying "3 Layers for layered abilities:". Also, Evil Energy wouldn't really count as a virus. Not like it matters anyways since Reploids would resist via lore.

Otherwise, I agree with this.

Some new abilities shown by Copy X- being his exact physical copy in terms of power-set, X should get the following abilities and resistance:
Telekinesis (Copy X can control spiked platforms, than he uses in combat)
Elemental Manipulation (Fire; Higher than 12,000 degrees Celsius, Ice; Layered Absolute Zero, Electricity; At least 100 million volts, and Light - Copy X's Elemental Weapons should be comparable to, if not superior to, those of his subordinates)
Resistence to Power Nullification & Life Manipulation (Copy X is unaffected by Hafmargo abilities, which can reduce an enemies health by half its original amount.)
Resistence to Existence Erasure (Copy X is unaffected by Eenite Existence Erasure)
Regeneration (High-Low), Self-Healing & Aura (With Raging EX Charge, which creates an damaging aura around himself that regenerates his health)

Hafmargo's Health Reduction is not Power Nullification. It's Statistics Reduction. Also, I think a better EE resistance argument for X is to just use the fact that the Dark Elf couldn't use her hax to break the seal which used X's own body even though she could influence Elpizo's heart, and we all know what the Mother Elf did to the Sigma Virus lol

Anyways, I agree with all this too.

Spoiler: AP & Speed Justifications

I suggest changing "Should be far above Classic Mega Man and everything in the Classic Era including Duo and Sunstar" to something like "Is way stronger than Classic Mega Man and everything in the Classic Era, is also more danger than any of Dr. Wily's Incidents." Since Dr. Light is really afraid of X becoming rogue, considering him unstoppable to the Classic-Era and also stated that any of Dr. Wily's incidents being nothing in comparison to him. so I don't see any justification for "should"

Good. I like this more. I might try to fetch the OG Japanese manual scan just for that "Dr. Wily's incidents ain't shit compared to what X could do" so it's more coherent.

In addition to "Higher with Double Buster (Has access to Rock's Double Buster, as he was designed to surpass him)", X profile should also include something like "Far higher with Armor Upgrades, Chips, and Parts", as multiple upgrades significantly enhance X's AP: With the X-Buster Chip, the X-Buster is upgraded further to do unlimited charged shots without cooldown until he has no more ammunition. Buster Plus 1, 2 and Ultimate Buster makes the X-Buster stronger. Power Drive increases X's attack power. Power Plus α and β can increase the X-Buster's attack power. The 1st Arm Upgrade greatly amplifies his X-Buster and Special Weapons. The 2nd Arm Upgrade enhances X's X-Buster so that he can do a Double-Shot and stronger versions of his Special Weapons. The Plasma Shot Arm Upgrade makes the X-Buster's charged shot far stronger. The Shadow Armor Arm Piece upgrades X's Buster and Saber. With the Giga Ability X-Drive, most X's stats are increased for a limited time. It can quadruple X's Charge Speed, makes X invulnerable to weaker attacks, lets X shoot 5 Semi-Charged Shots at once, and it quadruples X's running and dashing speed. (Just a few examples btw)

Following this logic, X's Speed should also receive something like "Higher with Armor Upgrades, Chips, and Parts", since multiple upgrades directly enhance his speed and mobility: The 1st Leg Upgrade is able to increase X's speed. The Shadow Armor Head Piece lets X swing the Z-Saber faster. The Hermes Armor Foot Piece doubles X's movement speed. The Hermes Armor Head Part lets X charge up his attacks faster. With the Giga Ability X-Drive, most X's stats are increased for a limited time. It can quadruple X's Charge Speed, makes X invulnerable to weaker attacks, lets X shoot 5 Semi-Charged Shots at once, and it quadruples X's running and dashing speed. Speed Shot makes his shots faster and Hyper Charge lets X charge up attacks faster. Hyper Dash in X5 enhances X's dash and mobility. Jumper lets X jump higher. Speedster increases X's speed. Rapid 5 lets X shoot energy projections at a faster pace.

Agreed with this too.

I think we should also change "Should be far superior to his Mega Man X Era self, and comparable to Zero in the Elf Wars" From Z Era X Profile to something like "Superior to his X Era self, through centuries of Accelerated Development and upgrades. Is comparable to Z Era Zero and stronger than Copy X. Higher with Double Buster, Far Higher with Armor Upgrades, Parts & Chips, Even Higher with Armed Phenomenon and Mother Elf" Since even in the Z Era, X is still treated as comparable to Zero, which is consistent with the fact that, even though he is weaker than X, Copy X can compete with Zero in combat, Copy X being stronger than all the guardians together. With each guardian being able to compete with Zero (With Zero even calling them formidable in Alouette's Good Day). Despite being in a weaker state than his past self due to his soul splitting, Cyber Elf X was able to fight Elpizo and the Baby Elves, with the Baby Elves being able to fight against Z Era Zero.

And I agree with this too.

That's all for my thoughts on this CRT.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Alright... Just keep in mind that I am not a Thread Mod, but you can use this feedback to improve your CRT.

My thoughts. Here they come:

I agree with X upscaling Zero in terms of skill and strength especially since Zero himself admits X is superior (in X6). Just make sure to include that in your CRT too. I would also want you to put in some scans that would make sure it includes intelligence (like how that statement makes him above Signas or whatever), just so no mod can just argue against it. And yeah, I also agree with the X Challenge final fight. But only the upscaling intelligence above Zero can only do it.
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Fine, I guess. But idk if Signas is even a valid argument, since he’s prob not even a combat bot

Ok, but we see in the video that Dr. Light (through the capsule) uploads the data to X himself. So this isn't good.

Yea, u're right. I already improved that intelligence argument in another CRT.
I would've updated ts one too, but I legit forgot that ts CRT even existed

Ok, here's the thing: X is a Cyber-Elf, which means he can just do Tech Manip/Data Manip to decode the security system rather than through sheer intelligence. You might need evidence that it is through that if you want to use this as justification. Otherwise, this isn't good either.

Ciel, Cerveau, and Zero had like 78 Cyber-Elves available, and around 30 of them were hacking-type, yet they still couldn’t crack the security system.
So yeah, that’s prob more of an IQ/intelligence feat, ‘cause it makes no sense for X to be stronger than Cyber-Elves that literally specialize in hacking

This is all good and needs to go into X's profile, but this does not prove Extraordinary Genius intelligence for X for reference.

True, it’s weird af how profiles like Gate, Light, Wily, or Weil don’t have Supergenius lvl when they’re stacked w/ feats on that lvl.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

I agree with the Power Absorption, Data Manip and Info Manip Type 2, but I disagree with Dura Neg for the Hadouken and Shoryuken. The Hadouken doesn't even dent certain enemies at all (like Bosspider and Sigma's 2nd form), and the Shoryuken we can clearly see just eat up the damage of the bosses gradually. Both should just upscale X's normal attacks.

Both attacks one-shot chars comparable to or stronger than X, so it qualifies for duraneg.
Hadouken just doesn’t one-shot those bosses cuz the hitbox can’t reach them.

Hafmargo's Health Reduction is not Power Nullification. It's Statistics Reduction. Also, I think a better EE resistance argument for X is to just use the fact that the Dark Elf couldn't use her hax to break the seal which used X's own body even though she could influence Elpizo's heart, and we all know what the Mother Elf did to the Sigma Virus lol

Eh fine, Stats Reduction fits better here

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Both attacks one-shot chars comparable to or stronger than X, so it qualifies for duraneg.
Hadouken just doesn’t one-shot those bosses cuz the hitbox can’t reach them.

The Hadouken can hit Sigma's 2nd Form, it literally just bounces off of him and does no damage.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

The Hadouken can hit Sigma's 2nd Form, it literally just bounces off of him and does no damage.

Eh, yea so
So duraneg resistance for Sigma?

 

[Migue79]

Well all that aside, uh, you'll need more evidence for the Hadouken and the Shoryuken being dura neg (like scans tbh). 'Cause I'm not quite liking the chances with just this argumentation alone.

Also, for intelligence related stuff, read the new CRT. XSOULOFCINDERX and I actually got better stuff that can be used to better support for intelligence buff for X. It can go decently well and give your feat more credence.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

I think for the Hadouken skill stuff we could replace it with X scaling to Magma Dragoon, who uses the same technique alongside Shoryuken. I also think X alone containing the data of Hadouken and instantly being able to use it is fine on it's own as an intelligence feat.

More skill stuff

X can defeat the Raider Killer even after full capacity, which adapted to his data and combat, becoming much stronger in the process.

Agile is considered a master of swordsmanship, who excels in power and speed, delivering flawless attacks. X defeated him.

A woken up Zero, without almost barely any memories of himself and his skills, was able to slaughter a whole army of Pantheons, mass produced weaker copies of Z Era X. This same Zero would beat Maha Ganeshariff, who thanks to his Data Processing System could analyze and adapt to his combat, something he had done before in their first fight. Z Era X should scale to him.

Don't forget this i said

 

[TyranoDoom30]

The Hadouken can hit Sigma's 2nd Form, it literally just bounces off of him and does no damage.

Also this is false.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Also this is false.

Huh.... I guess I'm just shit at aiming then because I have never successfully killed him with it before. Well regardless, nothing implies this technique or Shoryuken is dura neg since two other people in the verse have them and neither if them ignore X's or Zero's durability when they get hit by them from Magma Dragoon or Ninetails. They should just be far higher ratings since they are clearly stronger than most of X's usual attacks, just like the Nova Strike which should also be listed for the same reason.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Well regardless, nothing implies this technique or Shoryuken is dura neg since two other people in the verse have them and neither if them ignore X's or Zero's durability when they get hit by them from Magma Dragoon or Ninetails.

True.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

True.

Made another slight edit to my post.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Huh.... I guess I'm just shit at aiming then because I have never successfully killed him with it before. Well regardless, nothing implies this technique or Shoryuken is dura neg since two other people in the verse have them and neither if them ignore X's or Zero's durability when they get hit by them from Magma Dragoon or Ninetails. They should just be far higher ratings since they are clearly stronger than most of X's usual attacks, just like the Nova Strike which should also be listed for the same reason.

That’s just resistance lol, since Hadouken one-shots bosses is literally duraneg definition — it ignores defense and HP

 

[Crimson_cordx]

There are currently 3 Mega Man CRTs, and this one’s the most redundant tbh. Would appreciate staff closing it.