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Why everything is assumed to have a soul here?

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“That is not how claims work at all you need to have evidence or proof to make said claim actually vaild or correct.”

We do have proof though. The opposing verse says they exist.
Yes that is proof for THEIR Universe. So we are using proof from other works of fiction to say that yes this characters universe definitely has a soul. That is incredibly fallacious and wrong.
Well it’s more: one verse says literally nothing and is completely unknowns versus the other making a hard claim that is very clearly true. There is nothing to invalidate the claim and we know the claim is true for the one with soul manipulation, so it should work just fine as the other verse has nothing stopping it.
No this is again incredibly fallacious and wrong. You cannot say bc this verse has souls the other verse has souls. Especially when there’s no proof whatsoever for or against it.
 
burden of proof
There is nothing to prove or disprove. The verse said nothing. There isn’t anything to base anything off of. The opposing verse says they have souls the other says nothing on the subject once so ever and can’t be proven to have or not have them. Meaning the one that has a tangible claim with nothing to stop that claim would get priority because we know souls for them are real while there is no profile against them with the other opponent. They have no protection, versus someone that absolutely has the power.
 
There is nothing to prove or disprove. The verse said nothing. There isn’t anything to base anything off of. The opposing verse says they have souls the other says nothing on the subject once so ever and can’t be proven to have or not have them. Meaning the one that has a tangible claim with nothing to stop that claim would get priority because we know souls for them are real while there is no profile against them with the other opponent.
This. Bern, there's nothing you can do here without being unfair to one type of verse or another.
 
There is nothing to prove or disprove. The verse said nothing.
There is, since, thats a literally unproved shit, made up shit, you cannot prove that Mermaid exists, so, why are u assuming that mermaids exist in ALL OTHERS VERSES just because several verses does have it?
 
“Yes that is proof for THEIR Universe. So we are using proof from other works of fiction to say that yes this characters universe definitely has a soul.”

Because, for the character with soul manipulation, people have souls. And his opponent has no claims against souls. There is nothing saying the power shouldn’t work on their side while there is something saying the power should work on the other. There isn’t anything to make the claim illegitimate.
 
A friendly reminder that Vs debating is suppose to be a fun hobby folks do to kill time and/or to meet up with other like minded people to discuss their favourite fictional characters/verses.

This entire Q&A defeats the whole purpose of a "fun hobby" when it diverges into a (semi) serious philosophical debate about contradicting believes, personal standards and PoVs that in the end accomplishes nothing that's constructive nor helpful while throwing fallacies around like candy.

It's the same reason we don't discuss other controversial/sensitive subjects e.g: Politics, Race, Religion, etc. Some peeps use Vs debating as an "escape" from reality (Imagine how they'll feel seeing this thread?).

Nothing will change as a result of this thread and all it will accomplish (From what I've already seen) is unnecessary drama and headaches for all those involved.

I'll comment no further on the subject but just know no good will come from further entertaining this "discussion".
 
Because, for the character with soul manipulation, people have souls.
People have souls because in their verse, they do, but thats not a thing in others verses, thats a unproved thing, different than atoms, so, soul is fantasy unless proved, and it obviously does not affect others verses that doesnt have souls there
 
From what Axiom said, this thread is going to turn into a mess. I suggest closing it.

Bern, you are free to open your own site where your own standards fly. Do not enforce them on a population who disagrees.
 
Wait so a verse like agar.io for example, which are just cells. in this wiki are they considered to have souls
 
I suggest closing it.
If u dont like the thread, just leave it
Bern, you are free to open your own site where your own standards fly. Do not enforce them on a population who disagrees.
I am not enforcing, this is not even a CRT, this is a question and answer boards, where people can question the standards if they want to
 
the answers be like ''because we assume they do'', funny.
That is the only answer. Sorry.
If u dont like the thread, just leave it

I am not enforcing, this is not even a CRT, this is a question and answer boards, where people can question the standards if they want to
This is an online internet forum- if the people want it, the people will have it. The same goes for not wanting it.
 
I may come back tomorrow but I don’t know. Though I will say I find your comment on this being a questions and answer board to be funny. This thread exist for people to answer your question. People say why it is this way (including staff) and you say they’re wrong. Then this isn’t a question and answer board because your constantly debating the answer. If you want a answer you already got it. If you want a change that’s a CRT. Just having a CRT under a QandA doesn’t make it a not CRT.
 
People say why it is this way (including staff) and you say they’re wrong.
What they say to me doesnt matter
. Then this isn’t a question and answer board because your constantly debating the answer
Let me use proper wording, I am debating the topic, yeah, but I do not want to change the standard, as this is not a CRT, this is what I mean, are u happy now?
 
“Yes that is proof for THEIR Universe. So we are using proof from other works of fiction to say that yes this characters universe definitely has a soul.”

Because, for the character with soul manipulation, people have souls. And his opponent has no claims against souls. There is nothing saying the power shouldn’t work on their side while there is something saying the power should work on the other. There isn’t anything to make the claim illegitimate.
Look, having a soul is a positive. You have to prove a positive, not a negative
 
As the thread I linked explains, if we don't assume this, then we'd also wouldn't assume that characters are bound to a concept (And thus vulnerable to concept manip), for example.
 
Also, why do you even want this thread closed? As I said, I won't make this a CRT, if u don't like the topic of the thread, just unfollow it
 
Guys proving a positive and proving a negative.....its all useless.
Why do we assume souls in versus match?? Well there's no reason other than allowing matches to be fun. Thats literally it.

I really don't hope people now want to make versus matches drab and boring.
actually magic doesn't exist in the other guys setting so he is immune to it, but that doesn't matter because it wouldn't work in the first place
 
Bern is probably right imo the main counterarguments are "its just common sense, everyone believes it" and you're basically conceding everytime you bring up verse equalisation its not Berns point.

disconnected from each other the soul is just as baseless as my verse which uses XOFJWPJNF against each other different verses wouldn't have it.

but the best answer at the end of the day its more fair and fun that way.
 
Bern is probably right imo the main counterarguments are "its just common sense, everyone believes it" and you're basically conceding everytime you bring up verse equalisation its not Berns point.
Technically Bern’s point isn’t that solid as it is already a claim to being made unto itself and is subjective, not objectively as treating as if it is a fact doesn’t make it necessarily right per se ngl.
 
Technically Bern’s point isn’t that solid as it is already a claim to being made unto itself and is subjective, not objectively as treating as if it is a fact doesn’t make it necessarily right per se ngl.
I am not treating it as fact, actually, the ones treating Souls Existing as assumption are the ones
 
One character stomping other solely because of soul manipulation isn’t necessarily true as technically that is one part of how Verse Matches goes as you have to consider all their haxes and AP for that matter.
 
One character stomping other solely because of soul manipulation isn’t necessarily true as technically that is one part of how Verse Matches goes as you have to consider all their haxes and AP for that matter.
Can u guys please stop talking about ''but verses matches tho''? it does not justify a baseless claim
 
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