Gilad_Hyperstar
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Is this trolling or you genuinely don't see how stupid that statement is? Like explain how exactly a concept can die. For example, can time die?
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Death Revisions (Puss In Boots: The Last Wish)
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Saying "no, you haven't" doesn't change anything.
Read above.
I guess if it's not written in VSBW's standards, it just can't be argued anywhere with any logic or any reasoning. Let's remove the court systems of all countries, since arguments and logic don't matter, there's no standards about what's being talked about on VSBW.
Oh yeah, we also can't actually make VSBW standards since there's no standards about making standards.
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Blatant lie? Which lie am I now sharing? That he is not immortal?
If he is immortal, then show the evidence of the statement that prove it and then accuse me being blatant liar.
There is not a single standard in vsbw that follows "A concept does not die unless verse treat it otherwise"
And if you find it, quote it. Till then, there is none.
If he is immortal, then show the evidence of the statement that prove it and then accuse me being blatant liar.
There are characters who can destroy concepts. How am I trolling here?
There is not a single standard in vsbw that follows "A concept does not die unless verse treat it otherwise"
And if you find it, quote it. Till then, there is none.
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The first part of this message is unimportant.
Characters with conceptual manipulation exist, therefore logically inherent abilities that come with being concepts don't exist
Read my last comment.
We have.
DaMonkeMan
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Because dying NATURALLY (like you said) =/= being destroyed by concept manip
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It does since my first post, not a single evidence has been shared that implies immortality. I am not even asking for a feat, I am asking for a statement within the verse.
Also, according to this logic, why we don't give him immortality type 5?
There is no evidence except AE type 2 that has no basis grounds for any secondary benefits to
- regeneration dependent
- Immortality thanks to it
It is not written, then why are you implying it as it is a standard?
????????? I have no clue what does this mean right now.
Gewsbumpz_dude
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I don't think having this much of a hissy fit about something as insignificant as type 1 Immortality is warranted.
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The question was how concepts can die or be destroyed and you can destroy them. Drop the topic since we are not even talking abt someone who is purely concept, but an embodiment of said concept.
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And immortality type 8 that comes from no grounds.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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If to get rid of Death you have to use concept manip to erase the very concept of Death, I think it's a pretty good indicator to why they don't die naturally (emphasis on naturally. concept manip is anything but natural)
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Quote it.
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Evidence has been shared, though.
Why not? Honestly, sure. He's literally Death, so he's not bound by conventional life or death. Fits perfectly.
Besides the reasoning we're giving.
I'm not, that's a dumb thing to assert. It's just logically correct.
Thank you for proving my point.
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The numerous times the scene where he says he's literally Death. Scroll up.
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The fact is, there is not even an evidence that removing the mere concept of death is even a requirement for his non-existence.
We are still assuming based on nothing. Like is there any instance where he got killed (his body) and did not die from it?
Any feats? Any statements?
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I said quote the standard from vsbw. At least look at my request.
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Can't say much after this
DaMonkeMan
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Baby Bear is about to die from this magic barrier ( saved by Goldilocks but y'know ).
Death passes through the same barrier very easily and proceeds to fight Puss.
You can connect the dots.
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Which is a resistance lol
DaMonkeMan
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Doesn't really disprove my point.
There's nothing contradicting the fact that he can't die/stay dead.
CodeCCLL
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I think, Death has still Abstract Existence Type 1.
Simply, Concept of Death use a wolf shaped physical body to scare Puss in Boots.
I disagree for İmmortality Type 8.
Possibly at least İmmortality Type 1 is fine.
"Everyone thinks they’ll be the one to defeat me, but no one’s escaped me yet" by Death.
Death has always existed and will continue to exist.
Simply, Concept of Death use a wolf shaped physical body to scare Puss in Boots.
I disagree for İmmortality Type 8.
Possibly at least İmmortality Type 1 is fine.
"Everyone thinks they’ll be the one to defeat me, but no one’s escaped me yet" by Death.
Death has always existed and will continue to exist.
DaMonkeMan
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Oh thank god, I had one but it was a bit fishy and when I click the play button it tries to open to another tab on top of it, though it doesn't give me a virus so maybe I'm just built different.
I still was able to watch the movie though.
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give me your discord. Idk if it will work in your country but give me your discord.
DaMonkeMan
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DaMonkeMan
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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sureCan I join too?
DaMonkeMan
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May I see a picture?
( For a friend )
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I just want to state for the if Death is an abstract force or not. It's clear that Puss made the connection that laughing in the face of death is a concept, pieced it together that what's standing in front of him is that.
"But you didn't even notice me because Puss in Boots laughs in the face of death, right? But you're not laughing now."
It makes it pretty clear that the concept of death that Puss laughed at was him being laughed at. Then in the same sentence says that he isn't laughing because he's staring right at him.
The best way to describe is the implications he made at the beginning. Like Abstracts, they are things that exist. Death specifically uses the wording with Puss in Boots like a concept.
"If it isn't Puss in Boots himself, in the flesh."
----------[Concept]--------------[Physical]
I'm mixed on the topic, could mean that Death the concept has a conscience and happens to have a body in flesh of his concept, or just that his body is his only conscience with the concept of death following/connecting him. Either way in VS debates this shouldn't be bad, because if you destroy Death's body, we don't have proof he can come back to fight the opponent either way.
"But you didn't even notice me because Puss in Boots laughs in the face of death, right? But you're not laughing now."
It makes it pretty clear that the concept of death that Puss laughed at was him being laughed at. Then in the same sentence says that he isn't laughing because he's staring right at him.
The best way to describe is the implications he made at the beginning. Like Abstracts, they are things that exist. Death specifically uses the wording with Puss in Boots like a concept.
"If it isn't Puss in Boots himself, in the flesh."
----------[Concept]--------------[Physical]
I'm mixed on the topic, could mean that Death the concept has a conscience and happens to have a body in flesh of his concept, or just that his body is his only conscience with the concept of death following/connecting him. Either way in VS debates this shouldn't be bad, because if you destroy Death's body, we don't have proof he can come back to fight the opponent either way.
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Glad other people joined in and got that cleared up, now I don't even need to respond.
So basically; Likely Abstract Existence (Type 2; Exists as the literal embodiment of the concept of death) and Likely Immortality (Type's 1 and 8; As he physically represents the concept of death, he more than likely wouldn't be capable of perishing unless the concept itself died)?
So basically; Likely Abstract Existence (Type 2; Exists as the literal embodiment of the concept of death) and Likely Immortality (Type's 1 and 8; As he physically represents the concept of death, he more than likely wouldn't be capable of perishing unless the concept itself died)?
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Also why does he have "The Grim Reaper" classification? I get his gimmick is the same but he should only be called what he has been called, and he is never called that a single time anywhere. Just call him Death, it's his name.
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I mean he is death and has sickles which are mini scythes and he wears a hood so it fits
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Probably somewhere between the Shrek movies and PiB: The Last Wish. He lost his 8th right at the beginning of the second movie.
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Yeah, it'll be quite relevant, Type 4 Immortality is still a notable power after all.
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You can also add in weaknesses that Puss won't even acknowledge that his lives are lost, especially since outside help doesn't apply in VS debates, and in this case, the Doctor doesn't tell him since it's Pre-Puss In Boots 2, and he only realized till Lobo struck it in him.
