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I'll go over this thread and the media again later today and make my breakdown.
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It was literally the first thing I brought up lol
Literally my first major post on the thread that lead to this was addressing this
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From the post in question:
"On top of that, they directly interweave major points about the verse's lore into this story, such as Victor being the way that Remnant found out that Dust doesnt work outside the atmosphere by him being in a spaceship that exploded as it left the planet."
Yes, it is.
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Honestly while I'm at it I'll check the guidebook when I get home as well, it most likely mentions the same event
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Unless it includes information that is exclusively from the comics, and not from the lore video, it won't help your argument whatsoever. The comic takes place in RWBY, it's expected to reference canon events. That doesn't make it canon.
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Weekly. This:
Is absolutely not the same as:
The event can't be referenced a year or so before actually happening.
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I need to check something, because the world of remnant came out in 2015 alongside the first season of the show
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RWBY: World of Remnant
RWBY: World of Remnant was an American mini-series created by Monty Oum and produced by Rooster Teeth Productions, documenting various areas, beings, and objects in Remnant, the world in which RWBY is set. World of Remnant episodes varied in length, but are on the whole much shorter than the...
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Yeah no, the world of remnant series ran from 2014 to 2017, 4 to 7 years before this comic was published.
The episode in question was published in 2015, 6 years before this comic was published
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The comic references the show, yes, just like every other canon extended media RWBY has
The World of Remnant is the show yes, it's quite literally an exposition dump for the verse's lore
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Also wasn't Jeane in the world of Remnant in season 9? Or am I on drugs cause I haven't even touched season 9
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But the reverse, which you claimed earlier, is blatant untrue
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What do you mean?
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The comic references an event from the World of Remnant miniseries. Not the other way around. And the miniseries is not the show
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He is stating that the comic references the show, which goes the opposite of what you claimed earlier.
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Mind elaborating on this part further? Because I am under the impression that mini-series are indeed a show.
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Ah, my apologies, I misspoke then, my bad
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Yeah I'm not sure what he means by this either, the world of remnant as a series is an exposition dump of lore for the verse, and it was released alongside the show's episodes.
Saying the comic isnt canon because it's only referenced by the World of Remnant is like saying the Mandalorian isnt canon to Disney Star Wars because it's only ever brought up in Book of Boba Fett
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It is canon yes, I've explained this already
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Plus it's not like this is just some small reference. It's literally
*world of remnant: Atlas tried to launch someone into space and it failed, this was a history defining discovery that changed the understanding of how Dust works
*comic: cyborg was the astronaut, and his body is a direct result of this test
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Aye, I would really point this out, it's a bit of false equivalence. (fallacy of false analogy)
You are using an analogy between two different situations
The Mandalorian is only referenced in the Book of Boba Fett does not necessarily mean that it is not canon to the Disney Star Wars verse. On the other hand, the status of the comic in the World of Remnant is dependent on the specific rules and definitions of the RWBY franchise canon, which may be different from other verses.
You are using an analogy between two different situations
The Mandalorian is only referenced in the Book of Boba Fett does not necessarily mean that it is not canon to the Disney Star Wars verse. On the other hand, the status of the comic in the World of Remnant is dependent on the specific rules and definitions of the RWBY franchise canon, which may be different from other verses.
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To be fair, wasn't World of Remnant retconned too at times? Specifically earlier episodes. Like, either the nature of grimm or aura?
But anyways World of Remnant can't be used to prove comic being canon, because it isn't in fact referenced in the show. So that point is void.
But anyways World of Remnant can't be used to prove comic being canon, because it isn't in fact referenced in the show. So that point is void.
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It's not "the show." The primary canon is the actual RWBY series itself. When someone says it's referenced in the show, that means the actual RWBY series, not this mini series, which is extended media just like the movie and comics.
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That's not the argument being made. The only reason we're talking about this is because you lied about what happened. The comic wasn't referenced by World of Remnant. It was the opposite. World of Remnant was referenced by the comic. That doesn't mean it's canon.
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Not that I'm aware of no, the guidebook even doubles down on the majority of info in the series
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Noted. I was a bit confused of your wording. Thanks for clarification.
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I didnt lie though? Why does everyone always immediately jump the conclusion that any time I misspeak 8m automatically lying
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Because what you said blatantly untrue, and it doesn't make any sense for it to be "misspeaking" because the truth (what you're claiming you 'meant') doesn't support your argument. You gain nothing by pointing out that the comic references a pre-existing lore event, so you had no reason to bring it up.
Clear as day, you attempted to pretend that the events of the comic were validated by other external media when it wasnt, and obviously the comic referencing the lore means nothing. Then you tried to misrepresent further by claiming the actual RWBY show referenced the comic, also untrue.
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The truth does support my argument, the comic took an event from the lore and expanded on it in a canon story
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I specifically vaguely remember Aura episode, which said something about Ozpin that later was retconned. Either his experience or mastery or something.
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That doesn't make it canon. The only justification you've provided for its canonicity in the first place is an author statement about an entirely different comic, made before the crossover was ever written. Which is another thing you got caught lying about
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Which doesn't help in our case. If a RWBY game says a story about how Adam got his SDC scar, expands on it, it doesn't help in its case of being possibly canon.
Weekly, for Christ you were a staff member, how can you not see it?
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Still not sure what you're referring to, if you could find it that would be great because I'm drawing a blank
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And why exactly does that make it non-canon? You keep saying that makes it non-canon but havent given an explanation as to why.
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This is a bit topic-off, keep it outside the conversation if you don't mind.
Elaborating upon an event derived from lore within a given context does not necessarily provide conclusive evidence of its canonical status within said context.
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Expanding on an event from a lore in a story does not automatically make it canon because the canon status of a story or event within a lore is determined by the creators of that lore and their guidelines for what is considered canonical.
So unless the creator themselves created specific criteria for what they consider to be part of the official canon such as adherence to established lore, consistency with other canonical events, and endorsement by the creators themselves.
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