I swear, I've talked about this offsite and people were so unfathomably annoying about it. People were just really mad he was stronger than Jiren. I said something along the lines of "Oh, yeah, his best transformation is stronger than the fusion multiplier" and people were going like "UMM, ACTUALLY, HIS POWER GROWS OVER TIME" as if I didn't know that.
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Yah I hate how they keep disrespecting everything that happened in the previous arcs. I think the problem is the product of trying to create layers to the mastery of MUI. I mean going from totally calm to even calmer is kinda weird.
Almost as if time passed.
People train on their own and get way stronger all the time. His training can last as long as he wants, he has infinite stamina.
Probably like the mental training he did in hell which allowed him to perfect his golden form except better because he isn't physically immobile.
Cell Jrs should already be a whole new dimension of strength
That doesn't make any sense, he literally said he didn't do any particular training, he just punched poachers, that's IT. And even if he did some worldly training, that doesn't explain how he got god level strength which was portrayed as absolutely unachieavable to the cast when it was first introduced, but now everyone is as strong as BoG SSG Goku by "training really hard"?
The poachers are like the rocks Goten threw at Gohan.
It isn't necessarily good now, but it was pretty similar before
Two wrongs don't make a right, Frieza's training is also just an asspull to make him catch up to the cast, at least bro has implied potential from an alien species, 17 is just a human with super saiyan level tech in him, it makes no sense.
There isn't a single piece of canon media before DBS that isn't well constructed, tbh.
Human with infinite stamina, though yeah still it's still pretty insane that he managed to get to that level.
I really love the way you right. II can't stop laughing for some reason hahahahhahahahahah Any time you write , i can feel the anger through my screen
Super Saiyan 3 is not a very well thought-out transformation. It's just "beyond Super Saiyan but again because why not"
Basically any form beyond SSJ in Z
Well Grade 2/3 are fine enough I suppose, SSJ2 is hard carried by Gohan's character arc and is otherwise such a nothing transformation tbh
Also people are allowed to defend whatever writing they want, no need to blow a gasket over it
I'd say SSJ4 and Ultra Instinct are both actually better thought out as overall transformations than SSJ2 and especially SSJ3.
The contrast between SSj4 and UI is kind of crazy though. One completely transcends their race and the characteristics associated with a saiyan while the other digs deeper into and embraces the saiyan's and their origins and uses it as their strength. Yet both are quite well done. If there's one thing I could commend super on, is making an original form that's often held up to the same regard as the original super saiyan, and I can see why.
Just like Goku, Frieza isn't above stealing techniques so who knows he might've pulled a Tien and trained with duplicates of himself?
Jiren solos, Broly was amped by rage.
Looking like this... it's not so bad
It has justification for existing at the very least, it fits a narrative at least. Goku trained 7 YEARS to achieve it and it only works by exerting the principles of Super Saiyan (boosting at an unthinkable cost of stamina) to their max, which was only possible BECAUSE Goku was in the afterlife which has no time flow.
I forgot the authority I had, I'm sorry Clover! oh my oh my /s
This is the manga version, putting the Kaioken on Blue only happens in the tournament of power, and they immediately tell you that it is wrong, after which it is never used again, everything else is valid if I see it
That would work if the previous arc wasn't the battle of the gods, literally Goku obtains a different type of ki (divine) and puts a transformation on another that was going to destroy the universe (even if you only take into account the movie, it is assumed that not even Vegito could against Bill)... then Frieza appears out of nowhere and it turns out that he is a prodigy who in four months creates a transformation that surpasses all that (depending on the version alone or with Tagoma, both are rare) that surpasses the Blue (not the same, he surpasses Blue, and is only defeated for making a mistake that he had already made in previous sagas, going to the minimum possibility of revenge on earth)
Oh it is not. It's absolutely wasted, used as a punching bag, with a stupid concept, and by having Vegeta literally faint from damage, it betrays the entire concept
Holy shit that's actually a really perceptive way to look at it though, this slightly bumped up my respect for the Buu Saga.
