Fezzih_007
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Well, for Dragon Ball It should't be that complicated of a Job, we can fix It without issue.
Or you know, Daima is not Canon to Super. The evidence of being Canon is Very weak.
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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not it didn't? It never had such canon contradictions before
putting words in other peoples mouths
"Mere"? Nah, such an ammount of contradictions ARE a stronf argument for it to not be canon to DBS, it is still canon to the Z manga however, so again, don't out words in peoples mouths
No? If it doesn't fit, we won't fit
Considering that you were completely unable to argue or cover any of the points i made so far... i would say my arguments are far more than "decent", i would dare to say they are "good" arguments
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All events of Dragon Ball Daima are linked to the original work, Dragon Ball takes place after the Majin Buu arc, then in the anime it is spoken of the original work of Akira Toriyama and the original plot, and the Kaioshins going to the 12 Universes. These contradictions that you guys brought up could be explained with a retcon, unless Akira Toriyama or anyone who has rights to Dragon Ball comes along and says "Dragon Ball Daima is not canon" no contradictions disprove Daima from being in my timeline of major events.
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seriosly?the super saiyan 4????????????????????????????????
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The "original work" is the OG DB Manga, Super is not the "original work"
again, stop inventing things that no one ever said, Daima IS canon to the OG Manga, it not being canon to Super doesn't make it "not canon"
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Great then less hire that African Shaman and summon the dead spirit of Akira Toriyama to get that answer
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Write properly man, i'm not going to answer everything in separate comments, write a text and send it instead of writing a bunch of random things.
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Ssj4 is canon and Ssj3 Vegeta is too, you guys are so nervous because Daima is canon
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Call him
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and it does not apper again, and it does not apper again, IS NOT MENTIONED AGAIN.Ssj4 is canon and Ssj3 Vegeta is too, you guys are so nervous because Daima is canon
man, why i will be nervous for something like this?when no one scales to the demon realm
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or hope for our world to be like a magic realism one and the spirits of the dead can move around in our world.
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Here could give the option to say "haha" in these types of comments.
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Fezzih_007
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Haha
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I did write properly
I sent everything in 1 comment tho
I did write a text, yes
The one not making sense is you, if you don't have an answer to give to me, just don't answer, pretending as if what i sent is any different then any of the other answers sent by literally everyone else here will not make anything i said go away or invalidate it
TurtleGod55
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Daima not being canon to super hit worse than the Korra Slanders 
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I don’t have a real opinion either way, but you aren’t strictly correct. For example, Heroes is post majin buu, references the original dragon ball’s plot, and the 12 universes. It’s not canon. Those factors don’t inherently make something canon to super.
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When i told you to write properly, it was to stop separating each speech you say into several other things... I'm waiting until this very moment for you to come up with strong arguments for it not being canon, because you only brought up mere retcons that DBS took, just like the person who remade Mr. Kaio's planet in the manga. Dragon Ball has always had a retcon and it's not just today, Daima is still canon for both the DBS manga and the Super anime because it takes place after the Majin Boo arc, there is nothing that refutes this for now, not with mere contradictions that are obviously retcon.
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DBH doesn't have what Dragon Ball Daima has, original plot by Akira Toriyama and said to be an original work, it is a continuation of the Majin Buu arc and on top of that it mentions the Kaioshins going to the 12th Universes (showing the origin of the Universe), don't compare canon work with just official, DBH is official and Daima is canon.
TurtleGod55
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Ain’t the manga a bit different from the Anime?
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For now, the manga has no adaptation for this arc, so i consider it canon to the super manga and the super anime.
Until tomorrow, I'll sleep now
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Wait, why DBH is mentioned here?. DBH and most Games in general just slapped every DB materials into its contents so idk why DB Games are relevant in this discussion
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I agree. Retcons can happen.
StarShooter80
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I've been saying this before since the first episode but you guys keep jumping to conclusions for a series that hasn't finished yet, let it finish then we decide
Nullflowerblush
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Online?
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To show Luffy that his conditions for canonicity are wrong, because they lead to absurd results. In addition, what would DBH adding every db material have to do with anything.
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He's alive!
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didn't they explain that it was cause they found a way to defuse tho
He didn't use ssj grade 3 against cell either. He had 4 years to consider the pro's and cons of ssj3 and found ssj2 would be more effective. Plus it's not like toriyama isn't immune to plot holes, frieza never training is one of them
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i mean.....kinda? It contradicts how hell works then if the pikkon fight is canon but nothing else
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Yet Shin said himself he didn't knew how to defuse the earings in the Black arc? And only did so via the Dragon Balls?
My dude, he was MAD and not thinking at all against Beerus... he quite literally wasn't on the state of mind to hold back his power, specially when he needed as much power as possible against Beerus
How's that a plothole?
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Frieza killing all the saiyans was because he was scared of the super saiyans rising up. DBS came around and said if he trained for 4 months he could have soloed all of z, so why didn’t he just ******* do that?
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That's not a retcon, it's just a facet of Frieza's character. He was already for all intents and purposes at the top of the food chain, why bother going higher? Beerus being the one behind Frieza blowing up Planet Vegeta feels wayyy more like a retcon.
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This whole Super Saiyan 4 thing can be explained simply with Goku saying that he can no longer use the transformation (in the same way he told Vegeta at the end of Dragon Ball Super, that he no longer knew how to use his superior instinct, consequently giving him room to relearn it later in the DBS manga), about Super Saiyan 3 it is very simple to explain, as it is an inefficient transformation and requires a lot of energy, it would make much more sense for him to focus on improving Super Saiyan 2.
I think this whole discussion is a hurricane in a teapot.
I think this whole discussion is a hurricane in a teapot.
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I dont buy this, he willingly transformed into SSJ4 in the last episode, he couldn't do the same for UI. If Daima is canon, then there is either a major plothole (which would be disappointing, but certainly not out of reach), or they will pull some "restricted to demon realm / whatever" idea.
I also dont see any point in arguing needlessly over what will happen, waiting 5 days isn't that hard.
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Odds are, if Super Saiyan 4 is not a form only accessible exclusively through Neva's temporary influence, then the form is inaccessible under normal conditions because the Demon Realm and the outside world operate under different laws of reality; hell, the Demon Realm cannot even be observed by the Supreme Kai's Far-Seeing Arts—its nature is esoteric and bizarre.
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Fezzih_007
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Yeah, they could explain this problem.
I doing this joke on the assuption they not gonna explain any of them in the last episode, because we can't know If they will or not.
You din't explain Shin and Kibito being defused in Super.
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Nullflowerblush
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Character flaw, lol?
After being resurrected, Frieza only began training because, after being thoroughly beaten for the first time by Goku and Future Trunks and being dead for fifteen years, he had grown out of shape, and the only fighters in the entire universe to ever defeat him had grown stronger since then. Even with the potential threat of the Super Saiyan, training was unnecessary then.
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Before i was afraid of Dragon Ball Daima because it reminded me of DBGT (the first arc is horrible), but watching Dragon Ball Daima episode 1 made me feel what i saw when i was still a 10 year old kid. For me, up until now, Dragon Ball Daima is the best Dragon Ball anime ever created.
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I said plothole not retcon. Dragonball fans aren’t beating the allegations.
It completely changed frieza a motivation from paranoid tyrant who feared the potential of the saiyans uprising and taking over his empire thanks to the super saiyan to him just being too lazy to do a few pushups in secret to stay ahead of the saiyans just as a precaution.
