All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Omegabronic]

Everything in its own time, Dragon Ball has always had this

not it didn't? It never had such canon contradictions before

and that doesn't make Dragon Ball Daima a DBH or DBGT in life

putting words in other peoples mouths

, mere contradictions do not refute it being canon, at most you should have strong arguments for it not being canon.

"Mere"? Nah, such an ammount of contradictions ARE a stronf argument for it to not be canon to DBS, it is still canon to the Z manga however, so again, don't out words in peoples mouths

If something isn't working, the super has obviously been retconned.

No? If it doesn't fit, we won't fit

You are automatically refuted when you say original work made by Akira Toriyama, besides the 12 Kaioshin appearing, try to find decent arguments to say that it is not canon, Omega.

Considering that you were completely unable to argue or cover any of the points i made so far... i would say my arguments are far more than "decent", i would dare to say they are "good" arguments

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Or you know, Daima is not Canon to Super. The evidence of being Canon is Very weak.

All events of Dragon Ball Daima are linked to the original work, Dragon Ball takes place after the Majin Buu arc, then in the anime it is spoken of the original work of Akira Toriyama and the original plot, and the Kaioshins going to the 12 Universes. These contradictions that you guys brought up could be explained with a retcon, unless Akira Toriyama or anyone who has rights to Dragon Ball comes along and says "Dragon Ball Daima is not canon" no contradictions disprove Daima from being in my timeline of major events.

 

[Alexander]

All events of Dragon Ball Daima are linked to the original work, Dragon Ball takes place after the Majin Buu arc, then in the anime it is spoken of the original work of Akira Toriyama and the original plot, and the Kaioshins going to the 12 Universes. These contradictions that you guys brought up could be explained with a retcon, unless Akira Toriyama or anyone who has rights to Dragon Ball comes along and says "Dragon Ball Daima is not canon" no contradictions disprove Daima from being in my timeline of major events.

seriosly?the super saiyan 4????????????????????????????????

 

[Omegabronic]

All events of Dragon Ball Daima are linked to the original work, Dragon Ball takes place after the Majin Buu arc, then in the anime it is spoken of the original work of Akira Toriyama and the original plot,

The "original work" is the OG DB Manga, Super is not the "original work"

and the Kaioshins going to the 12 Universes.

elements from one series appearing in another doesn't necessarily mean one is canon to the other, only that those specific elements are canon

These contradictions that you guys brought up could be explained with a retcon, unless Akira Toriyama or anyone who has rights to Dragon Ball comes along and says "Dragon Ball Daima is not canon" no contradictions disprove Daima from being in my timeline of major events.

again, stop inventing things that no one ever said, Daima IS canon to the OG Manga, it not being canon to Super doesn't make it "not canon"

 

[Huesito88]

unless Akira Toriyama or anyone who has rights to Dragon Ball comes along and says "Dragon Ball Daima is not canon" no contradictions disprove Daima from being in my timeline of major events.

Great then less hire that African Shaman and summon the dead spirit of Akira Toriyama to get that answer

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

not it didn't? It never had such canon contradictions before


putting words in other peoples mouths


"Mere"? Nah, such an ammount of contradictions ARE a stronf argument for it to not be canon to DBS, it is still canon to the Z manga however, so again, don't out words in peoples mouths


No? If it doesn't fit, we won't fit


Considering that you were completely unable to argue or cover any of the points i made so far... i would say my arguments are far more than "decent", i would dare to say they are "good" arguments

Write properly man, i'm not going to answer everything in separate comments, write a text and send it instead of writing a bunch of random things.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

seriosly?the super saiyan 4????????????????????????????????

Ssj4 is canon and Ssj3 Vegeta is too, you guys are so nervous because Daima is canon

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Great then less hire that African Shaman and summon the dead spirit of Akira Toriyama to get that answer

Call him

 

[Alexander]

Ssj4 is canon and Ssj3 Vegeta is too, you guys are so nervous because Daima is canon

and it does not apper again, and it does not apper again, IS NOT MENTIONED AGAIN.
man, why i will be nervous for something like this?when no one scales to the demon realm

 

[Alexander]

Great then less hire that African Shaman and summon the dead spirit of Akira Toriyama to get that answer

or hope for our world to be like a magic realism one and the spirits of the dead can move around in our world.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

and it does not apper again, and it does not apper again, IS NOT MENTIONED AGAIN.
man, why i will be nervous for something like this?when no one scales to the demon realm

Here could give the option to say "haha" in these types of comments.

 

[Alexander]

Here could give the option to say "haha" in these types of comments.

Man

 

[Fezzih_007]

and it does not apper again, and it does not apper again, IS NOT MENTIONED AGAIN.
man, why i will be nervous for something like this?when no one scales to the demon realm

Haha

 

[Omegabronic]

Write properly man

I did write properly

, i'm not going to answer everything in separate comments

I sent everything in 1 comment tho

, write a text and send it instead of writing a bunch of random things.

I did write a text, yes

The one not making sense is you, if you don't have an answer to give to me, just don't answer, pretending as if what i sent is any different then any of the other answers sent by literally everyone else here will not make anything i said go away or invalidate it

 

[TurtleGod55]

Daima not being canon to super hit worse than the Korra Slanders

 

[StekFence]

All events of Dragon Ball Daima are linked to the original work, Dragon Ball takes place after the Majin Buu arc, then in the anime it is spoken of the original work of Akira Toriyama and the original plot, and the Kaioshins going to the 12 Universes. These contradictions that you guys brought up could be explained with a retcon, unless Akira Toriyama or anyone who has rights to Dragon Ball comes along and says "Dragon Ball Daima is not canon" no contradictions disprove Daima from being in my timeline of major events.

I don’t have a real opinion either way, but you aren’t strictly correct. For example, Heroes is post majin buu, references the original dragon ball’s plot, and the 12 universes. It’s not canon. Those factors don’t inherently make something canon to super.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

When i told you to write properly, it was to stop separating each speech you say into several other things... I'm waiting until this very moment for you to come up with strong arguments for it not being canon, because you only brought up mere retcons that DBS took, just like the person who remade Mr. Kaio's planet in the manga. Dragon Ball has always had a retcon and it's not just today, Daima is still canon for both the DBS manga and the Super anime because it takes place after the Majin Boo arc, there is nothing that refutes this for now, not with mere contradictions that are obviously retcon.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don’t have a real opinion either way, but you aren’t strictly correct. For example, Heroes is post majin buu, references the original dragon ball’s plot, and the 12 universes. It’s not canon. Those factors don’t inherently make something canon to super.

DBH doesn't have what Dragon Ball Daima has, original plot by Akira Toriyama and said to be an original work, it is a continuation of the Majin Buu arc and on top of that it mentions the Kaioshins going to the 12th Universes (showing the origin of the Universe), don't compare canon work with just official, DBH is official and Daima is canon.

 

[TurtleGod55]

When i told you to write properly, it was to stop separating each speech you say into several other things... I'm waiting until this very moment for you to come up with strong arguments for it not being canon, because you only brought up mere retcons that DBS took, just like the person who remade Mr. Kaio's planet in the manga. Dragon Ball has always had a retcon and it's not just today, Daima is still canon for both the DBS manga and the Super anime because it takes place after the Majin Boo arc, there is nothing that refutes this for now, not with mere contradictions that are obviously retcon.

Ain’t the manga a bit different from the Anime?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Ain’t the manga a bit different from the Anime?

For now, the manga has no adaptation for this arc, so i consider it canon to the super manga and the super anime.

Until tomorrow, I'll sleep now

 

[Vietthai96]

Wait, why DBH is mentioned here?. DBH and most Games in general just slapped every DB materials into its contents so idk why DB Games are relevant in this discussion

 

[Hasty12345]

All events of Dragon Ball Daima are linked to the original work, Dragon Ball takes place after the Majin Buu arc, then in the anime it is spoken of the original work of Akira Toriyama and the original plot, and the Kaioshins going to the 12 Universes. These contradictions that you guys brought up could be explained with a retcon, unless Akira Toriyama or anyone who has rights to Dragon Ball comes along and says "Dragon Ball Daima is not canon" no contradictions disprove Daima from being in my timeline of major events.

I agree. Retcons can happen.

 

[StarShooter80]

I've been saying this before since the first episode but you guys keep jumping to conclusions for a series that hasn't finished yet, let it finish then we decide

 

[Nullflowerblush]

original plot by Akira Toriyama and said to be an original work, it is a continuation of the Majin Buu arc

Online?

 

[StekFence]

Wait, why DBH is mentioned here?. DBH and most Games in general just slapped every DB materials into its contents so idk why DB Games are relevant in this discussion

To show Luffy that his conditions for canonicity are wrong, because they lead to absurd results. In addition, what would DBH adding every db material have to do with anything.

 

[Huesito88]

Would a flashback panel of Goku going Ssj Kaioken vs Pikkon contradict anything in the "Super Manga"? And I'm talking about the transformation not anything else about that (For those that have a better memory than me regarding the super manga)

 

[DivineAura44]

Greetings, everyone. I hope you're all doing well.
Coming back just to say that daima is really cool, and it does the super saiyan forms justice. Super saiyan 4 is amazing.

He's alive!

 

[Electronic74947]

What about Shin and Kibito not being fused

didn't they explain that it was cause they found a way to defuse tho

Vegeta not using SSJ3? Trought yeah, he probally gonna be like "Damn, I can't access this power anymore"

He didn't use ssj grade 3 against cell either. He had 4 years to consider the pro's and cons of ssj3 and found ssj2 would be more effective. Plus it's not like toriyama isn't immune to plot holes, frieza never training is one of them

 

[Electronic74947]

Would a flashback panel of Goku going Ssj Kaioken vs Pikkon contradict anything in the "Super Manga"? And I'm talking about the transformation not anything else about that (For those that have a better memory than me regarding the super manga)

i mean.....kinda? It contradicts how hell works then if the pikkon fight is canon but nothing else

 

[Omegabronic]

didn't they explain that it was cause they found a way to defuse tho

Yet Shin said himself he didn't knew how to defuse the earings in the Black arc? And only did so via the Dragon Balls?

He didn't use ssj grade 3 against cell either. He had 4 years to consider the pro's and cons of ssj3 and found ssj2 would be more effective.

My dude, he was MAD and not thinking at all against Beerus... he quite literally wasn't on the state of mind to hold back his power, specially when he needed as much power as possible against Beerus

Plus it's not like toriyama isn't immune to plot holes, frieza never training is one of them

How's that a plothole?

 

[Electronic74947]

How's that a plothole?

Frieza killing all the saiyans was because he was scared of the super saiyans rising up. DBS came around and said if he trained for 4 months he could have soloed all of z, so why didn’t he just ******* do that?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Frieza killing all the saiyans was because he was scared of the super saiyans rising up. DBS came around and said if he trained for 4 months he could have soloed all of z, so why didn’t he just ******* do that?

That's not a retcon, it's just a facet of Frieza's character. He was already for all intents and purposes at the top of the food chain, why bother going higher? Beerus being the one behind Frieza blowing up Planet Vegeta feels wayyy more like a retcon.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

This whole Super Saiyan 4 thing can be explained simply with Goku saying that he can no longer use the transformation (in the same way he told Vegeta at the end of Dragon Ball Super, that he no longer knew how to use his superior instinct, consequently giving him room to relearn it later in the DBS manga), about Super Saiyan 3 it is very simple to explain, as it is an inefficient transformation and requires a lot of energy, it would make much more sense for him to focus on improving Super Saiyan 2.

I think this whole discussion is a hurricane in a teapot.

 

[Arthex]

This whole Super Saiyan 4 thing can be explained simply with Goku saying that he can no longer use the transformation (in the same way he told Vegeta at the end of Dragon Ball Super, that he no longer knew how to use his superior instinct, consequently giving him room to relearn it later in the DBS manga), about Super Saiyan 3 it is very simple to explain, as it is an inefficient transformation and requires a lot of energy, it would make much more sense for him to focus on improving Super Saiyan 2.

I think this whole discussion is a hurricane in a teapot.

Spoiler: daima spoiler

I dont buy this, he willingly transformed into SSJ4 in the last episode, he couldn't do the same for UI. If Daima is canon, then there is either a major plothole (which would be disappointing, but certainly not out of reach), or they will pull some "restricted to demon realm / whatever" idea.

I also dont see any point in arguing needlessly over what will happen, waiting 5 days isn't that hard.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Spoiler: Daima spoiler

I dont buy this, he willingly transformed into SSJ4 in the last episode

Spoiler

科学よりも魔法が幅を利かせている。
"Magic exerts greater influence than science."

Odds are, if Super Saiyan 4 is not a form only accessible exclusively through Neva's temporary influence, then the form is inaccessible under normal conditions because the Demon Realm and the outside world operate under different laws of reality; hell, the Demon Realm cannot even be observed by the Supreme Kai's Far-Seeing Arts—its nature is esoteric and bizarre.

 

[Fezzih_007]

This whole Super Saiyan 4 thing can be explained simply with Goku saying that he can no longer use the transformation (in the same way he told Vegeta at the end of Dragon Ball Super, that he no longer knew how to use his superior instinct, consequently giving him room to relearn it later in the DBS manga), about Super Saiyan 3 it is very simple to explain, as it is an inefficient transformation and requires a lot of energy, it would make much more sense for him to focus on improving Super Saiyan 2.

Yeah, they could explain this problem.

I doing this joke on the assuption they not gonna explain any of them in the last episode, because we can't know If they will or not.

I think this whole discussion is a hurricane in a teapot.

You din't explain Shin and Kibito being defused in Super.
I g

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Frieza killing all the saiyans was because he was scared of the super saiyans rising up. DBS came around and said if he trained for 4 months he could have soloed all of z, so why didn’t he just ******* do that?

Character flaw, lol?

After being resurrected, Frieza only began training because, after being thoroughly beaten for the first time by Goku and Future Trunks and being dead for fifteen years, he had grown out of shape, and the only fighters in the entire universe to ever defeat him had grown stronger since then. Even with the potential threat of the Super Saiyan, training was unnecessary then.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Before i was afraid of Dragon Ball Daima because it reminded me of DBGT (the first arc is horrible), but watching Dragon Ball Daima episode 1 made me feel what i saw when i was still a 10 year old kid. For me, up until now, Dragon Ball Daima is the best Dragon Ball anime ever created.

Dragon Ball Timeline

 

[Electronic74947]

That's not a retcon, it's just a facet of Frieza's character. He was already for all intents and purposes at the top of the food chain, why bother going higher? Beerus being the one behind Frieza blowing up Planet Vegeta feels wayyy more like a retcon.

I said plothole not retcon. Dragonball fans aren’t beating the allegations.

Character flaw, lol?

After being resurrected, Frieza only began training because, after being thoroughly beaten for the first time by Goku and Future Trunks and being dead for fifteen years, he had grown out of shape, and the only fighters in the entire universe to ever defeat him had grown stronger since then. Even with the potential threat of the Super Saiyan, training was unnecessary then.

It completely changed frieza a motivation from paranoid tyrant who feared the potential of the saiyans uprising and taking over his empire thanks to the super saiyan to him just being too lazy to do a few pushups in secret to stay ahead of the saiyans just as a precaution.

 

[Omegabronic]

It completely changed frieza a motivation from paranoid tyrant who feared the potential of the saiyans uprising and taking over his empire thanks to the super saiyan to him just being too lazy to do a few pushups in secret to stay ahead of the saiyans just as a precaution.

Freeza was ALWAYS an egotistical ass that never even believed anyone could get NEAR his power, so his arrogance is why he didn't want to train, he saw as it being beneath him