Garou vs Uryū ishida (9-5-1)

[Specterxxxx]

Honestly don't think this is how it works lmao.

Then how does it work then?

 

[MrTayman616]

Then how does it work then?

Does he perceive the radiation's affect on that level? Will he understand he's about to get knocked out? Radiation isn't visibly a huge damage etc. from outside.

Which we also know uryu ishida waits until he gets a huge amount of damage and then reverses it. He might get knocked out before understanding the overall danger of it, which Characters like Child Emperor etc. were knocked out before they even figured out what was happening.

 

[DavidTPPM]

This is the accepted blog.

Yes THAT blog is accepted unlike the blog you put in the profile.

No? It was in the blog. Which i also said Parallel Timeline in the values as well.

Yes value for the maximum total radiation parallel timeline Garou could possibly do before he can't anymore, not what he emits passively at all times.

For the last time, the blog you put in the profile and the information in it are NOT accepted. That's undeniable factual truth. It doesn't matter what mental gymnastics you do here, what the CRT said and the blog it talked about are completely different than what you put into the profile.

I'm not going to repeat this anymore so if you simply reply the same thing I addressed for the 50th time again I just won't respond anymore.

No, Things like GRB, his fussions etc. none of them affects this value.

No because the calculation covers this.

which is the theoretical maximum he could produce based on the statement it seems.

So, total possible before he can't anymore, I'd assume.

So it's the total radiation Garou could produce, not what he emits passively.

It's stated by narrator to be created by Garou's cosmic rays.

Yes exactly. So it's the result of ALL radiation he's been outputting since gaining the CFM, which exactly what the thread accepted. Not something passively emits at all times but the total sum of all radiation he's ever emitted.

I didn't mislead anyone or anything.

Then why does the profile contain an unaccepted blog with something completely different than what was actually said to be accepted in the CRT?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Does he perceive the radiation's affect on that level?

He will feel the internal symptoms, yes.

Will he understand he's about to get knocked out? Radiation isn't visibly a huge damage etc. from outside.

He would understand that his body is dying due to being close to garou before he gets knocked out. He doesn't have see any visible damage to know that.

Which we also know uryu ishida waits until he gets a huge amount of damage and then reverses it.

uryu doesn't wait for huge amount of damage, jugram had the almighty prior and could see everything uryu was going to do it is only when the almighty leaves jugram that uryu uses his own power plus the damage he received from jugram is going to be less than the passive damage uryu would receive from garou and he would know he is about die or get incapacitated or could use rasotengai to move himself if his body can't.

He might get knocked out before understanding the overall danger of it, which Characters like Child Emperor etc. were knocked out before they even figured out what was happening.

Like I said, uryu is aware of the aura based effects in his own verse, a similar experience would help him understand what is happened quickly add that with the sub rel thought process and the ability to momentarily stop the effects giving him time to survive this. You see unlike child emperor, uryu has the experience, the faster thought process and the techniques to prevent this.

 

[Razor]

Antithesis is an activated ability right? Won't Uryu have to constantly use it just to avoid dying? Even if he uses it Garou is still there, so he needs to use it over and over and over again.

And what is Uryu's wincon anyway? Garou has survived beatings from characters who should've one shotted him. Aside from Radiation, Garou can BFR Uryu, Time travel to the beginning of the match before Uryu uses his amps or simply grow strong enough that he surpasses Uryu in stats.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Antithesis is an activated ability right? Won't Uryu have to constantly use it just to avoid dying? Even if he uses it Garou is still there, so he needs to use it over and over and over again.

Yes, which means uryu a genius would have to one shot him since he knows he is dangerous.

And what is Uryu's wincon anyway? Garou has survived beatings from characters who should've one shotted him.

One shot with a 13× bolt that can erase souls (spammable), dura neg with seele schneider (slice him into two or cut his head off), Harm himself and continually reverse the damage(although the first two win cons are much quicker so uryu wouldnt do that)

Aside from Radiation, Garou can BFR Uryu,

Uryu has interdimensional portals as well, any attempt at BRF would be countered by shadow.

Time travel to the beginning of the match before Uryu uses his amps

This isn't his go to move tho, uryu will kill him before this happens.

simply grow strong enough that he surpasses Uryu in stats.

Uryu isn't gonna stand there and let him do it, the moment he understands the danger garou presents from his poisonous presence, He is going to end as fast as he can with speedblitz movement and one shot.

Uryu's win cons are faster than garous

 

[MrTayman616]

He will feel the internal symptoms, yes.

Will he just be like "i feel somewhat bad inside, so i'll quickly reverse it"?

Characters like Child Emperor (Extraordinary Genius + MHS+ reaction/perception) and it is while they are away from him. A physical interaction and it is over.

Also including the fact that Garou would be the first to hit via his portal usage. With nuclear fission and gravity knuckles.

He would understand that his body is dying due to being close to garou before he gets knocked out. He doesn't have see any visible damage to know that.

Like how everyone else did. How will he understand that he's dying when the symptoms aren't that obvious or "damageful" from the outside.

uryu doesn't wait for huge amount of damage, jugram had the almighty prior and could see everything uryu was going to do it is only when the almighty leaves jugram that uryu uses his own power plus the damage he received from jugram is going to be less than the passive damage uryu would receive from garou and he would know he is about die or get incapacitated or could use rasotengai to move himself if his body can't.

Can you send each or some usage of his "reversal" ability please? want to see how he uses it.

Like I said, uryu is aware of the aura based effects in his own verse, a similar experience would help him understand what is happened quickly add that with the sub rel thought process and the ability to momentarily stop the effects giving him time to survive this. You see unlike child emperor, uryu has the experience, the faster thought process and the techniques to prevent this.

So can Bang and others, They can see Aura but not radiation etc. Radiation emission isn't really that type of "Aura".

Also there is a problem, He can't continuously reverse it, because this is damage reversal, Uryu will get the damage of Garou in return. So doing it continuously would cause him to die, no?

 

[Razor]

Yes, which means uryu a genius would have to one shot him since he knows he is dangerous.

One shot with a 13× bolt that can erase souls (spammable), dura neg with seele schneider (slice him into two or cut his head off), Harm himself and continually reverse the damage(although the first two win cons are much quicker so uryu wouldnt do that)

Uryu has interdimensional portals as well, any attempt at BRF would be countered by shadow.

This isn't his go to move tho, uryu will kill him before this happens.

Uryu isn't gonna stand there and let him do it, the moment he understands the danger garou presents from his poisonous presence, He is going to end as fast as he can with speedblitz movement and one shot.

Uryu's win cons are faster than garous

Can he attack while continously using the ability?

Can you show me how that bolt works? Garou's insanely skilled, can't he just dodge them?

Where? I don't see it on his profile.

"Hypersonic (Comparable to Chad), higher with Letz Stile (Blitzed Mayuri Kurotsuchi multiple times" blitz with what? Garou will continously grow faster and stronger, if anything he's gonna be the one speed blitzing uryu like seconds into the match.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Will he just be like "i feel somewhat bad inside, so i'll quickly reverse it"?

He will feel his organs failing, coughing blood, the effects will be felt from within almost as how (quinces detect hollow poison inside their body) and would reverse it.

Characters like Child Emperor (Extraordinary Genius + MHS+ reaction/perception)

Doesn't matter btw, uryu is going to have a better advantage to combat it than child emperor.

and it is while they are away from him. A physical interaction and it is over.

You haven't proven this, I recommend you stop repeating this it only proves you are not listening to what I am saying.

Also including the fact that Garou would be the first to hit via his portal usage. With nuclear fission and gravity knuckles.

He tanks those with blut, feels the effects of poisoning in his body and reverse it back to garou, enters volstanding and swarms garou with thousands of arrows that can shoot lasers and one shot with any of the win cons I listed.

Like how everyone else did. How will he understand that he's dying when the symptoms aren't that obvious or "damageful" from the outside.

"He will feel his organs failing, coughing blood, the effects will be felt from within almost as how (quinces detect hollow poison inside their body) and would reverse it". Read this again.

Can you send each or some usage of his "reversal" ability please? want to see how he uses it.

@Johner2133451 has shown uryu reversing Senjumaru's position with his, his profile shows you uryu reversing damage. There is another showcase of uryu swapping yhwach with his medallion in thousand year blood war episode 24.

So can Bang and others, They can see Aura but not radiation etc. Radiation emission isn't really that type of "Aura".

Like I said uryu doesn't need to see it, he only needs to link whatever is happening to him to garou, like you said garou starts his own attack with gravity knuckle or nuclear emission. This is enough for uryu to know whatever is happens next is an aftermath leading garou to a kill shot.

Also there is a problem, He can't continuously reverse it, because this is damage reversal, Uryu will get the damage of Garou in return. So doing it continuously would cause him to die, no?

Your link doesn't display anything so I don't really understand what your point is.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Can he attack while continously using the ability?

He doesn't have to, he is going to put range between him and garou to deliver a kill shot which he will do by entering volstanding becoming blitz level fast using heinryanku and one shot garou.

Can you show me how that bolt works? Garou's insanely skilled, can't he just dodge them?

In volstanding the arrows are fast enough to blitz ichigo who didn't have trouble deflecting dozens of his arrows prior. Garou wouldn't be able to dodge especially when they can be spammed, it is a blitz speed.

"Hypersonic (Comparable to Chad), higher with Letz Stile (Blitzed Mayuri Kurotsuchi multiple times" blitz with what?

both his arrows and uryu himself were to moving to fast for mayuri to keep up with, garou won't evade every arrow, uryu can blitz him while garou is evading the arrow and land one of his own like he did mayuri.

Garou will continously grow faster and stronger, if anything he's gonna be the one speed blitzing uryu like seconds into the match

@DavidTPPM has already clarified garou's RE doesn't work that way and even if it does, uryu would get faster than garou before garou reaches in that moment nothing stops uryu from one shotting.

 

[MrTayman616]

He will feel his organs failing, coughing blood, the effects will be felt from within almost as how (quinces detect hollow poison inside their body) and would reverse it.

And this happens when they are 10 meters away. Not physical interaction + nuclear fist. He might get knocked out before he realizes it was going to happen. Like Characters with MHS+ reaction + Extraordinary Genius intelligence.

Doesn't matter btw, uryu is going to have a better advantage to combat it than child emperor.

The only better advantage is capability to reverse.

You haven't proven this, I recommend you stop repeating this it only proves you are not listening to what I am saying.

This was the entire line : "Characters like Child Emperor (Extraordinary Genius + MHS+ reaction/perception) and it is while they are away from him. A physical interaction and it is over."

Blast states he'll die if he gets close to him, Physical interaction would be exponentially more effective.

"And this happens when they are 10 meters away. Not physical interaction + nuclear fist. He might get knocked out before he realizes it was going to happen. Like Characters with MHS+ reaction + Extraordinary Genius intelligence."

He tanks those with blut, feels the effects of poisoning in his body and reverse it back to garou, enters volstanding and swarms garou with thousands of arrows that can shoot lasers and one shot with any of the win cons I listed.

His aura is passive, he can't reverse it back to Garou continuously as it is "REVERSE". Not one sided. Garou takes his damage while he gets Garou's.

Garou has portals, the skill and ability to handle all of them. 13x AP wincon doesn't work because Garou just copies. Speed blitz amp doesn't work, the slower one winning via speed blitz doesn't allow the fight to be applied. And these assume he uses these first.

Your link doesn't display anything so I don't really understand what your point is.

Better link. Also why is this dude using Bandages to heal himself lmao

 

[Razor]

He doesn't have to, he is going to put range between him and garou to deliver a kill shot which he will do by entering volstanding becoming blitz level fast using heinryanku and one shot garou.

In volstanding the arrows are fast enough to blitz ichigo who didn't have trouble deflecting dozens of his arrows prior. Garou wouldn't be able to dodge especially when they can be spammed, it is a blitz speed.

both his arrows and uryu himself were to moving to fast for mayuri to keep up with, garou won't evade every arrow, uryu can blitz him while garou is evading the arrow and land one of his own like he did mayuri.

@DavidTPPM has already clarified garou's RE doesn't work that way and even if it does, uryu would get faster than garou before garou reaches in that moment nothing stops uryu from one shotting.

And Garou is just gonna stand there and let him escape?

Well his profiles doesn't state them as such, and Garou passively gets stronger so it wouldn't matter anyways.

This Mayuri guy literally dodged it in the panel you sent, and he's not spamming it either, he shot a single lone arrow.

In what way? Garou continually grows stronger, and his copied techniques exceed those of the original technique. If any stat gap were to exist between the two Garou will quickly adapt to it and become even stronger. The reason he didn't become stronger than Saitama was because Saitama was growing as well.

 

[Catbowtie]

Garou FRA

 

[MrTayman616]

@DavidTPPM has already clarified garou's RE doesn't work that way and even if it does, uryu would get faster than garou before garou reaches in that moment nothing stops uryu from one shotting.

It does work like that.

Garou does get stronger and faster within each moment. Gets faster and stronger when overwhelmed somewhat instantly, Instant in case of overcoming death.

 

[Johner2133451]

Uryu fra

 

[Specterxxxx]

And this happens when they are 10 meters away. Not physical interaction + nuclear fist. He might get knocked out before he realizes it was going to happen. Like Characters with MHS+ reaction + Extraordinary Genius intelligence.

You can't prove this his hits will knock out uryu who is going to be 10× more durable with blut, Child Emperor comparison is a false comparison one to uryu. Child emperor couldn't do anything about it, uryu can.

The only better advantage is capability to reverse

Which blows the comparison out of the water lmao.

Characters like Child Emperor (Extraordinary Genius + MHS+ reaction/perception) and it is while they are away from him. A physical interaction and it is over."

You have no proof a physical interaction would instantly kill uryu as your scan doesn't show or states that. Especially when garou has the AP disadvantage by a lot to even physically knock out uryu before he reverses.

Blast states he'll die if he gets close to him, Physical interaction would be exponentially more effective.

Doesn't say it's insta kill, unquantifiable potency is useless here if there is no proof of killing uryu faster than uryu can form a thought.

"And this happens when they are 10 meters away. Not physical interaction + nuclear fist. He might get knocked out before he realizes it was going to happen. Like Characters with MHS+ reaction + Extraordinary Genius intelligence."

You keep saying might, that word alone means your entire basis is speculative on an unquantifiable increase. Characters with inferior reaction and Intelligence don't have have the means to counter it like uryu again they are irrelevant.

His aura is passive, he can't reverse it back to Garou continuously as it is "REVERSE". Not one sided. Garou takes his damage while he gets Garou's.

He can reverse it continually since poison is slower than uryu's thoughts and uryu's body will be back to a fresh state every time he reverses it. While actively using FTE to get away and land a hit.

Garou has portals, the skill and ability to handle all of them. 13x AP wincon doesn't work because Garou just copies.

Garou's combat reaction is slower than uryu's volstanding arrows which is a blitz speed movement in equal stats, you would have to prove garou can react to spammable arrows that are going to be faster than his reaction while uryu uses FTE to go to different angle and spam more.

Garou is copying what? Reishi. The Burden of proof falls on you to prove this.

Speed blitz amp doesn't work, the slower one winning via speed blitz doesn't allow the fight to be applied.

it does work, characters are allowed to use blitz techniques in an equal speed match up. Hienryanku isn't a transformation, its an FTE technique.

And these assume he uses these first.

He would after garou nearly kills him with radiation poisoning.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Better link. Also why is this dude using Bandages to heal himself lmao

Your point?

And Garou is just gonna stand there and let him escape?

Whether he can or not wouldn't change anything? Garou can't one shot or physically restrain uryu at the start of fight, his radiation poisoning will continually be reflected.

Well his profiles doesn't state them as such,

What are you talking about?

and Garou passively gets stronger so it wouldn't matter anyways.

Again uryu will get stronger and faster before garou and kills garou before garou catches up to him.

This Mayuri guy literally dodged it in the panel you sent,

Mayuri dodged it because he was expecting it and was already in the stance of dodging it before uryu fires so he manages to dodge the first one something he couldn't do to the second.

and he's not spamming it either, he shot a single lone arrow.

Not he shot two, one mayuri barely dodges and the other that hits him. Uryu won't stop shooting garou til garou is injured and dies.

In what way? Garou continually grows stronger,

Doesn't matter if he gets killed before all that.

and his copied techniques exceed those of the original technique.

He can't copy any of uryu's technique as they involve reishi, something he has no understanding of.

If any stat gap were to exist between the two Garou will quickly adapt to it and become even stronger

The burden of proof falls on you to proof garou that would cover the stat gap before uryu lands his own hit.

. The reason he didn't become stronger than Saitama was because Saitama was growing as well.

Unlike those fights, uryu is starting with the capability to become 13× stronger than garou with a cold personality to kill shot immediately. Garou doesn't have answer to that.

 

[Specterxxxx]

It does work like that.

Garou does get stronger and faster within each moment. Gets faster and stronger when overwhelmed somewhat instantly, Instant in case of overcoming death.

The burden of proof lies on you, to prove garou would cover the 13× AP gap uryu would immediately use when garou has landed the first hit.

 

[MrTayman616]

You can't prove this his hits will knock out uryu who is going to be 10× more durable with blut, Child Emperor comparison is a false comparison one to uryu. Child emperor couldn't do anything about it, uryu can.

Garou Copy. 10x difference means nothing. I didn't say "Why did Child Emperor not stop the radiation" but his capacity to understand.

Which blows the comparison out of the water lmao.

Reverse. Not one sided damage transfer. He can't use it continuously as he'll be taking the damage of Garou as well.

You have no proof a physical interaction would instantly kill uryu as your scan doesn't show or states that. Especially when garou has the AP disadvantage by a lot to even physically knock out uryu before he reverses.

It doesn't say physical interaction but "get close = die". Physical interaction would be exponentially worse.

Copy Copy. RE RE. No AP disadvantage.

Garou's combat reaction is slower than uryu's volstanding arrows which is a blitz speed movement in equal stats, you would have to prove garou can react to spammable arrows that are going to be faster than his reaction while uryu uses FTE to go to different angle and spam more.

Garou just copies and adapt.

Also Uryu's arrows are blitzing himself as well? Also where is it shown that it's blitz etc. Can't see it in the profile.

Also this would just make it unapplicable as winning via blitz against someone who would handle it without equal speed makes it like that.

Garou is copying what? Reishi. The Burden of proof falls on you to prove this.

Garou is copying the physical ability gained, not how he got stronger but the result. You're saying "he got stronger via reishi" doesn't change how his physical ability changed thanks to it. Garou copies the result and done. He doesn't need to know how he got stronger or the method of it.

You keep saying might, that word alone means your entire basis is speculative on an unquantifiable increase. Characters with inferior reaction and Intelligence don't have have the means to counter it like uryu again they are irrelevant.

Inferior intelligence what? Child Emperor is Extraordinary Genius.

it does work, characters are allowed to use blitz techniques in an equal speed match up. Hienryanku isn't a transformation, its an FTE technique.

Dude, what is "Hienryanku". Not in the profiles or anything, at least i can't see it. Also:

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.

• As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.

It applies as far as i know.

He would after garou nearly kills him with radiation poisoning.

Garou still kills him with radiation after that, it is passive. He can't reverse it back to him again and again as what he does is changing his and garou's situation. Not giving him his damage.

The burden of proof lies on you, to prove garou would cover the 13× AP gap uryu would immediately use when garou has landed the first hit.

Garou copies lmao.

 

[Catbowtie]

The burden of proof lies on you, to prove garou would cover the 13× AP gap uryu would immediately use when garou has landed the first hit.

Copying Saitama's ever increasing exponential growth.

Greater Power Mimicry (Copied Saitama's power and perfectly replicated his Consecutive and Serious Punches blow for blow. His copied techniques are honed to perfection at blazing speed, surpassing the original in the process. Replicated Blast's Portal Creation and Gravity Knuckle with ease)

Plus, they have Indefinite Accelerated Development and Statistics Amplification, Garou copies 13x growths in his sleep.

 

[MrTayman616]

Copying Saitama's ever increasing exponential growth.

He doesn't copy the ability to grow, he copies the increase of power level.

Though maybe you meant that and i misunderstood, sry in that case d:



Garou FRA btw.

 

[Catbowtie]

He doesn't copy the ability to grow, he copies the increase of power level.

Though maybe you meant that and i misunderstood, sry in that case d:

I meant that lol

 

[Razor]

Whether he can or not wouldn't change anything? Garou can't one shot or physically restrain uryu at the start of fight, his radiation poisoning will continually be reflected.

What are you talking about?

Again uryu will get stronger and faster before garou and kills garou before garou catches up to him.

Mayuri dodged it because he was expecting it and was already in the stance of dodging it before uryu fires so he manages to dodge the first one something he couldn't do to the second.

Not he shot two, one mayuri barely dodges and the other that hits him. Uryu won't stop shooting garou til garou is injured and dies.

Doesn't matter if he gets killed before all that.

He can't copy any of uryu's technique as they involve reishi, something he has no understanding of.

The burden of proof falls on you to proof garou that would cover the stat gap before uryu lands his own hit.

Unlike those fights, uryu is starting with the capability to become 13× stronger than garou with a cold personality to kill shot immediately. Garou doesn't have answer to that.

You said Uryu keeps a distance. How will he keep a distance if Garou's continually pursuing him? Garou just needs to be near him for the radiation to affect Uryu.

Garou literally jumps tiers in less than seconds, I highly doubt Uryu grows stronger faster or even close to the same speed.

And Garou isn't gonna stop dodging till he gets to a point where he stat checks Uryu.

Its not just his techniques, he evolves to become stronger statwise than whoever he's fighting, its why he and saitama grew exponentially through the course of their fight.

Exponential growth.

Except, yknow. Dodging the arrow? Its not even listed as faster in his profiles, his awakened key just has a blanket "Massively hypersonic+" attached to it. Via the profiles, the arrow is just as fast as uryu, meaning its equalized, meaning it would be the easiest shit for garou to just dodge them.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Garou Copy. 10x difference means nothing. I didn't say "Why did Child Emperor not stop the radiation" but his capacity to understand

Where is the proof that he didn't understand that he was going to die?. Again garou can't copy why are you ignorant. He can't copy reishi techniques when he doesn't know what reishi is lmao. If he can counter that I want you to prove it instead making baseless claims.

Reverse. Not one sided damage transfer. He can't use it continuously as he'll be taking the damage of Garou as well.

Where is the proof he can't use it continually?. He isn't going stand there and watch garou damage from continually after he reverses, he would try to eliminate garou immediately. He only needs to reverse like two, three times before uryu one shots in his 13.81 zetta foe key.

It doesn't say physical interaction but "get close = die". Physical interaction would be exponentially worse.

So you don't have proof got it.

Copy Copy. RE RE. No AP disadvantage

I won't address this seeing as you have no proof that he is has ever done this to someone with a 10× stat advantage with basically no understanding of his power to copy.

Garou just copies and adapt.

No proof of this.

Also Uryu's arrows are blitzing himself as well? Also where is it shown that it's blitz etc. Can't see it in the profile.

Look at what I said to the other guy, it blitzed and one shot ichigo in their fight

Also this would just make it unapplicable as winning via blitz against someone who would handle it without equal speed makes it like that.

Where is this stated? Uryu isn't winning just via blitz and it's a technique not a boost.

Garou is copying the physical ability gained, not how he got stronger but the result. You're saying "he got stronger via reishi" doesn't change how his physical ability changed thanks to it. Garou copies the result and done. He doesn't need to know how he got stronger or the method of it.

Garou doesn't copy the result lmao, any time he copies the technique and usually perfects it better than the person not the end result. You are being intellectually dishonest here. He has never copied the end result EVER only the technique used.

Dude, what is "Hienryanku". Not in the profiles or anything, at least i can't see it. Also:

Check the quincy profiles.

It applies as far as i know.

It doesn't, it isn't a speed boost. Uryu isn't blitzing garou, his arrows are fast enough to tag garou and garou would have a hard time dodging them.

Garou still kills him with radiation after that, it is passive. He can't reverse it back to him again and again as what he does is changing his and garou's situation. Not giving him his damage.

If garou isn't getting damaged from the radiation effects, swapping his states wouldn't kill uryu either. He can continually do that til he kills garou.

Garou copies lmao.

And yet, you can't prove that.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Copying Saitama's ever increasing exponential growth.

Plus, they have Indefinite Accelerated Development and Statistics Amplification, Garou copies 13x growths in his sleep.

It took a long time for garou to move from 112. Exa foe to 2 zetta foe but I am supposed to believe that he can outspace uryu's 13x gap in his sleep????? Lmao. Unless you proof that this is invalid.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Uryu is at least FTL from scaling to TS Ichigo. I have no idea why it says MHS with no justification.

 

[Specterxxxx]

You said Uryu keeps a distance. How will he keep a distance if Garou's continually pursuing him? Garou just needs to be near him for the radiation to affect Uryu.

FTE technique movement that can be spammed to evade, Honing hundreds of arrows that shoot lasers that will keep garou busy til he kill shots.

Garou literally jumps tiers in less than seconds, I highly doubt Uryu grows stronger faster or even close to the same speed.

Doesn't matter, no feat in series show garou covering a 13× gap in seconds. Provide scans to support the argument if you believe so.

And Garou isn't gonna stop dodging till he gets to a point where he stat checks Uryu.

An attack that is hard to dodge in equal stats can't be continually dodged especially when uryu can spam FTE techniques to do the same thing to garou he did mayuri.

Its not just his techniques, he evolves to become stronger statwise than whoever he's fighting, its why he and saitama grew exponentially through the course of their fight.

Again it took a long ass time to reach 2 zetta foe from 112 exa foe, that contradicts garou being able to cover 13× stat gap before uryu kills him in seconds.

Exponential growth.

Except, yknow. Dodging the arrow?

he can't continually dodge the arrow when he would barely dodge one in equal stats.

Its not even listed as faster in his profiles, his awakened key just has a blanket "Massively hypersonic+" attached to it. Via the profiles, the arrow is just as fast as uryu

The arrows are consistently shown to be faster they depict the scale of literal archers who are not faster than their arrows. Uryu can't tag ichigo by himself without his arrows lmao.

, meaning its equalized, meaning it would be the easiest shit for garou to just dodge them.

Uryu and garou are equalized at the base of their awakened key, doesn't mean garou is going to be equalized when uryu enters volstanding boosting the speed of his arrows further. Mayuri and uryu had relative speed in base, they didn't in volstanding. Nothing stops uryu from tagging garou like he did mayuri

 

[Epiccheev]

Uryu is at least FTL from scaling to TS Ichigo. I have no idea what it says MHS with no justification.

Hypersonic EoS Uryu is bizarre ngl

 

[MrTayman616]

Where is the proof that he didn't understand that he was going to die?. Again garou can't copy why are you ignorant. He can't copy reishi techniques when he doesn't know what reishi is lmao. If he can counter that I want you to prove it instead making baseless claims.

Reishi technique, yes. But the physical ability he gets from it, no. Garou just copies his physical ability, not the reishi. He doesn't need to copy the method.

When Uryu uses the technique, he gets that many times stronger, Garou doesn't copy the technique, he copies the power level. That's why he can. Saying "but it's reishi technique" is meaningless here.

Where is the proof he can't use it continually?. He isn't going stand there and watch garou damage from continually after he reverses, he would try to eliminate garou immediately. He only needs to reverse like two, three times before uryu one shots in his 13.81 zetta foe key.

I'm not saying he can't because he lacks the ability, he can't because the damage doesn't disappear like poof. He changed his and Garou's state.

Garou's radiation is passive, he'll get affected continuously.

So you don't have proof got it.

That's like saying "Show me a proof that he ever used his reverse ability as fast as his perception speed" type of thing? no?

I won't address this seeing as you have no proof that he is has ever done this to someone with a 10× stat advantage with basically no understanding of his power to copy.

Me or you? Garou doesn't just copy techniques. He copies powers.

He just copies his strength, he doesn't need to copy the technique.

Garou did this to Saitama who was tiers above him lmao. He copied Casual Saitama, then went and Copied Serious Saitama who's hunderds of times stronger.

Garou doesn't copy the result lmao, any time he copies the technique and usually perfects it better than the person not the end result. You are being intellectually dishonest here. He has never copied the end result EVER only the technique used.

Garou's copy itself is the technique here. How do you think he copies Saitama? Garou can copy stats via his Mode: technique.

No proof of this.

Read his profile lmao. Greater Power Mimicry (Copied Saitama's power and perfectly replicated his Consecutive and Serious Punches blow for blow.)

Look at what I said to the other guy, it blitzed and one shot ichigo in their fight

Why it it not in the profile + how do you know if he wasn't stronger than ichigo at that point etc. Does it continuously blitz people on equal level?

Also first question again.

It doesn't, it isn't a speed boost. Uryu isn't blitzing garou, his arrows are fast enough to tag garou and garou would have a hard time dodging them.

You're the one saying "speed blitz" no? Why is his arrows blitz himself as well though :d. Doesn't he control them and use them perfectly, how does that happen then?

Also not even in the profiles, u sure it's accepted like that at all?

If garou isn't getting damaged from the radiation effects, swapping his states wouldn't kill uryu either. He can continually do that til he kills garou.

What a perfect way of changing the way of thinking. If it works, it means Garou can't survive against it, but if it doesn't work, Garou can survive against it.

And yet, you can't prove that.

Can't? Bro it's literally in his profile lmao.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Reishi technique, yes. But the physical ability he gets from it, no. Garou just copies his physical ability, not the reishi. He doesn't need to copy the method.

The physical ability is reishi!

When Uryu uses the technique, he gets that many times stronger, Garou doesn't copy the technique, he copies the power level. That's why he can. Saying "but it's reishi technique" is meaningless here.

Garou has never copied any any technique without completely copying everything about the technique, gravity knuckles and serious punch^2 proves this. Garou mimicks everything about the technique, he would need to mimick the blue markings on uryu's body which where the physical ability comes. And if he wants to do that he would have to know what reishi is which he doesn't. Also blut vene is a defense not an attack there is no reason for garou to even attempt copying it.

I'm not saying he can't because he lacks the ability, he can't because the damage doesn't disappear like poof. He changed his and Garou's state.

Garou's radiation is passive, he'll get affected continuously.

And he will reverse continously and use FTE movement to leave garou's range continously to deliver a kill shot.

That's like saying "Show me a proof that he ever used his reverse ability as fast as his perception speed" type of thing? no?

But I have? I have shown the ability being instant as his thought process and I have shown his thought process being as fast as his perception. Your argument assumes that it would be instant because it is an unquantifiable potency in close proximity but this argument is speculation and doesn't hold weight in this debate. Hence, you would need prove to make that claim otherwise it is baseless.

Me or you? Garou doesn't just copy techniques. He copies powers.

He just copies his strength, he doesn't need to copy the technique.

He has always copied technique and not just strength.

Garou did this to Saitama who was tiers above him lmao. He copied Casual Saitama, then went and Copied Serious Saitama who's hunderds of times stronger

He literally copied his own technique exactly how saitama used this lmao proving my point.

Garou's copy itself is the technique here. How do you think he copies Saitama? Garou can copy stats via his Mode: technique.

Yes by a 100% mimic everything saitama had done, he would need blue markings on his own body to show he has mimicked uryu something he can't do since those markings is reishi.

Read his profile lmao. Greater Power Mimicry (Copied Saitama's power and perfectly replicated his Consecutive and Serious Punches blow for blow.)

How about you read is profile, saitama's strength come from within and is something he understands, Uryu's strength comes from external subordination of reishi inducing markings all over his veins and it literally states "perfectly replicated his punches" for garou to copy uryu ability he must copy everything about the ability perfectly not leaving one element because he has never mimic power otherwise.

Why it it not in the profile +

why does it matter? He did it.

how do you know if he wasn't stronger than ichigo at that point etc. Does it continuously blitz people on equal level?

Because ichigo's strongest attack overpowered his strongest attack. Whether it blitzes or not is irrelevant. Anyone on equal stats always have trouble reacting to it, a continuous spam is kill garou with one hit.

Also first question again.

Why does this matter? Ichigo is being saved for his CRT that's why it hasnt been included yet but it doesn't matter because the mayuri fight is in the profile.

You're the one saying "speed blitz" no? Why is his arrows blitz himself as well though :d. Doesn't he control them and use them perfectly, how does that happen then?

Forgive my wordings, it isn't fast to perception blitz. However, It is difficult to evade because it is fast especially in equal stats. Garou won't dodge them continuously.

Also not even in the profiles, u sure it's accepted like that at all?

It isn't a blitz, his arrows can become very fast by adding reishi. Check the quincy page for that.

What a perfect way of changing the way of thinking. If it works, it means Garou can't survive against it, but if it doesn't work, Garou can survive against it.

You just said garou can resist and regenerate from it so obviously my point lies on that basis lol. You didn't see use that argument again because it doesn't matter lmao.

Can't? Bro it's literally in his profile lmao.

The profile shows a 100% copy of techniques, nothing shows he copies one aspect of something and disregard the foundation of that aspect.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Uryu is at least FTL from scaling to TS Ichigo. I have no idea why it says MHS with no justification.

Is this a vote or?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Hypersonic EoS Uryu is bizarre ngl

Bleach speed revisions hasn't been done tbh, I believe they are being planned tho.

 

[MrTayman616]

You just said garou can resist and regenerate from it so obviously my point lies on that basis lol. You didn't see use that argument again because it doesn't matter lmao.

I pointed your change of nature, not the argument lmao.

The profile shows a 100% copy of techniques, nothing shows he copies one aspect of something and disregard the foundation of that aspect.

Technique mimicry has it's own ability.

Garou has power mimicry like his profile stated. He copied Saitama's power, bro literally has mode Saitama. You're refusing with both the profiles and the manga.

Garou can copy his power level. Saying "garou can't copy power" is wrong.

Also no, he gets physically stronger via reishi, Garou copies that physical strength, not the reishi that causes it.

Why does this matter? Ichigo is being saved for his CRT that's why it hasnt been included yet but it doesn't matter because the mayuri fight is in the profile.

Except it does matter, arguments can't be based on things that are not added since this causes the fights to change.

Aka why Gerald vs Saitama battle was added before.

Forgive my wordings, it isn't fast to perception blitz. However, It is difficult to evade because it is fast especially in equal stats. Garou won't dodge them continuously.

Garou has portals and gravity based ability in his side (He used gravity knuckles to absorb nuclear fission). He also adapts and evolves, he'd be able to handle them.

Because ichigo's strongest attack overpowered his strongest attack. Whether it blitzes or not is irrelevant. Anyone on equal stats always have trouble reacting to it, a continuous spam is kill garou with one hit.

Is his base stronger? Is the strongest version of Ichigo of that point couldn't react well to it?

Garou always grows in stat + has portals etc. and skillstomps those characters (most as far as i remember). Also uses abilities that boosts his perception/reaction like Abandonment.

why does it matter? He did it.

It is a requirement as far as i know, i might be wrong about it though. "Kinda sure it is but might be not" type of thing

How about you read is profile, saitama's strength come from within and is something he understands, Uryu's strength comes from external subordination of reishi inducing markings all over his veins and it literally states "perfectly replicated his punches" for garou to copy uryu ability he must copy everything about the ability perfectly not leaving one element because he has never mimic power otherwise.

Bro you literally read "power mimicry" and said it's "technique mimicry, that's all". You're refusing with the profile.

Why do you think Garou has "Varies with Power Mimicry (Became many times stronger than before after growing exponentially in power while copying Saitama's strength)" or literally reading the first line "Greater Power Mimicry (Copied Saitama's power)".

Garou literally states he can copy Saitama's full power and then refine it.

I have shown the ability being instant as his thought process and I have shown his thought process being as fast as his perception. Your argument assumes that it would be instant because it is an unquantifiable potency in close proximity but this argument is speculation and doesn't hold weight in this debate. Hence, you would need prove to make that claim otherwise it is baseless.

I guess i wasn't there when you show it as i never seen it :d

 

[Kachon123]

What's the current argument for Uryu's wincon

 

[MrTayman616]

What's the current argument for Uryu's wincon

One shot with a 13× bolt that can erase souls (spammable), dura neg with seele schneider (slice him into two or cut his head off), Harm himself and continually reverse the damage(although the first two win cons are much quicker so uryu wouldnt do that)

leading him to enter volstanding and land attack that is 13 times stronger than garou or even dura neg with seele. A soul erasure attack garou wouldn't survive.

use FTE movement to leave garou's range continously to deliver a kill shot.

Might have forgotten one or two statement.

 

[Kachon123]

Lol Garou is not getting one-shot. He grows exponentially in power and can literally copy and surpass the strength of his opponents. 'Mode' works far faster than attacks that can blitz him normally so there's no shot that he gets hit before copying.

Soul Erasure is kinda mid when it requires physical contact. Garou either sends then away with Hyperspace Gates or absorbs them with Gravity Knuckles' black holes.

Uryu literally gets oneshot by any of Garou's martial arts. He gets turned into dust from a range.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I pointed your change of nature, not the argument lmao.

My change of nature comes from the argument lmao.

Technique mimicry has it's own ability.

Garou has power mimicry like his profile stated. He copied Saitama's power, bro literally has mode Saitama. You're refusing with both the profiles and the manga.

I am saying the power mimicry doesn't apply because uryu doesn't have "power" rather a technique that steals power from external sources, garou has only been shown to copy the power within people. So this doesn't mean he would copy uryu's when Uryu himself doesn't have.

Garou can copy his power level. Saying "garou can't copy power" is wrong.

Saying Garou can copy the power level and not what makes them power is wrong. Also blut vene is for defense not for offense. Unless garou would some how develop a quincy bow and arrow lol.

Also no, he gets physically stronger via reishi, Garou copies that physical strength, not the reishi that causes it.

Reishi doesn't give him physical strength, uryu doesn't wield physical strength from reishi, not relevant at least. Uryu uses reishi for defense and his attack power in his arrows not his physical body.

Except it does matter, arguments can't be based on things that are not added since this causes the fights to change.

Aka why Gerald vs Saitama battle was added before.

That was meant to provide consistency, it doesn't have to be there. It is not some ability. It is the mechanics of his arrow that has already been shown in his fight with mayuri, adding his fight with ichigo would be reu

Is his base stronger? Is the strongest version of Ichigo of that point couldn't react well to it?

That was his base bud. Base ichigo is stronger than current full power uryu.

Garou always grows in stat +

gets killed before any relevant growth happens

has portals etc. and skillstomps those characters (most as far as i remember). Also uses abilities that boosts his perception/reaction like Abandonment.

None of this matter when he is getting swarmed by hundreds of honing arrows that shoot lasers and follow him where he goes, he would be preoccupied long enough for uryu to kill him with a blut arterie amped arrow or seele schneider. His portals can be evaded by FTE movement.

It is a requirement as far as i know, i might be wrong about it though. "Kinda sure it is but might be not" type of thing

It isn't especially when it is not a new thing but a consistent thing, when he did it to mayuri which is in his quincy profile.

Bro you literally read "power mimicry" and said it's "technique mimicry, that's all". You're refusing with the profile.

Why do you think Garou has "Varies with Power Mimicry (Became many times stronger than before after growing exponentially in power while copying Saitama's strength)" or literally reading the first line "Greater Power Mimicry (Copied Saitama's power)".

The mechanics of saitama and everyone garou had ever faced is different from uryu, uryu strength isn't physical his attack power relies on his arrows while his defense relies on external source of power, garou hasn't copied someone of that mechanic and "copying" the strength of uryu's blut amped body and coming up with something that isn't similar isn't copying.

Garou literally states he can copy Saitama's full power and then refine it.

Yes, saitama's power comes from within, uryu does not and his power is seen in his arrows not his body. His body is also covered with for defense not for AP or strength I apologise if I didn't explain that further.

I guess i wasn't there when you show it as i never seen it

The use of antithesis is instant, there is no time wasted in the reflect, antithesis is thought based. Uryu thought speed is sub rel. Follow that train of logic backed by the manga. This can't be compared to your argument that relies on speculation.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Lol Garou is not getting one-shot. He grows exponentially in power and can literally copy and surpass the strength of his opponents. 'Mode' works far faster than attacks that can blitz him normally so there's no shot that he gets hit before copying.

Lol There is no fight garou has ever been in that he didn't take a hit from his opponent, the moment uryu lands a hit preferably seele garou is going to die and he can't copy uryu's arrows because they are arrows so what is even your point.

Soul Erasure is kinda mid when it requires physical contact. Garou either sends then away with Hyperspace Gates or absorbs them with Gravity Knuckles' black holes.

You realise it is spammable right? You are saying garou would open hyperspace to send arrows while uryu uses FTE movement to go at a different angle and send more while garou is trying to get rid of the first ones he sent? Whats to stop garou from getting overwhelmed by volstanding boosted arrows in both speed and AP when garou's speed will be equal to BASE uryu's speed?

Uryu literally gets oneshot by any of Garou's martial arts. He gets turned into dust from a range.

This is baseless claim, when garou is weaker and any attack capable of turning uryu to dust gets dodged and garou himself gets killed.

 

[Kachon123]

Lol There is no fight garou has ever been in that he didn't take a hit from his opponent, the moment uryu lands a hit preferably seele garou is going to die and he can't copy uryu's arrows because they are arrows so what is even your point.

Mind you, Saitama's punch fast was enough to violently blitz Garou here.

My point is that arrows aren't strong enough to one shot Garou when he is just a powerful as they are while growing exponentially.

You realise it is spammable right? You are saying garou would open hyperspace to send arrows while uryu uses FTE movement to go at a different angle and send more while garou is trying to get rid of the first ones he sent? Whats to stop garou from getting overwhelmed by volstanding boosted arrows in both speed and AP when garou's speed will be equal to BASE uryu's speed?

And you think Garou's portals aren't? He can use however many he wants simultaneously



Garou has more than potent senses to determine the different angles they're being shot at and his accelerated development would make him surpass that FTE speed in an instant. While running on no sleep across several days, poisoned to the point to where he could only see people as blurs and could barely move, and beat up to the point of severe blood loss, Garou was able to pull this off against an attack with so much danmaku that it looked like an energy beam



Regardless, Garou's Black Holes have the range and size of an entire Moon, so the amount of Danmaku that Uryu shoots at Garou is irrelevant, they get sucked in all the same

This is baseless claim, when garou is weaker and any attack capable of turning uryu to dust gets dodged and garou himself gets killed.

Read Garou's profile, this is not a baseless claim. Bang and Bomb with a far inferior technique were capable of completely turning a being they could not harm otherwise into dust. Garou uses this move from a range which can't be dodged as its based on eyesight.

In conclusion, don't speak on what you don't know lol

 

[MrTayman616]

I am saying the power mimicry doesn't apply because uryu doesn't have "power" rather a technique that steals power from external sources, garou has only been shown to copy the power within people. So this doesn't mean he would copy uryu's when Uryu himself doesn't have.

Dunno the point of this one.

Saying Garou can copy the power level and not what makes them power is wrong. Also blut vene is for defense not for offense. Unless garou would some how develop a quincy bow and arrow lol.

His durability, his striking strength etc all scales to this same thing in his profile you know? Striking strength is physical ability. Garou can copy it.

Reishi doesn't give him physical strength, uryu doesn't wield physical strength from reishi, not relevant at least. Uryu uses reishi for defense and his attack power in his arrows not his physical body.

His profile says it, not me.

That was meant to provide consistency, it doesn't have to be there. It is not some ability. It is the mechanics of his arrow that has already been shown in his fight with mayuri, adding his fight with ichigo would be reu

Like i said, dunno.

None of this matter when he is getting swarmed by hundreds of honing arrows that shoot lasers and follow him where he goes, he would be preoccupied long enough for uryu to kill him with a blut arterie amped arrow or seele schneider. His portals can be evaded by FTE movement.

Uh, why? Portals, send it back to him, send them to another dimension, or move away etc. Or send it so way away (like his range limit etc) Increase in reaction/perception via abandonment.

His portals can be evaded by FTE movement.

Are you even sure it's FTE, profile doesn't say it or anything. Claims that are not in the profiles can be problematic.

The mechanics of saitama and everyone garou had ever faced is different from uryu, uryu strength isn't physical his attack power relies on his arrows while his defense relies on external source of power, garou hasn't copied someone of that mechanic and "copying" the strength of uryu's blut amped body and coming up with something that isn't similar isn't copying.

Not what the profile stated. It stated it scales to durability, striking strength etc.

Yes, saitama's power comes from within, uryu does not and his power is seen in his arrows not his body. His body is also covered with for defense not for AP or strength I apologise if I didn't explain that further.

Same answer as before.