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I decided that it'd probably be a good idea to make this now so that spoilers can be freely discussed.
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Superman (2025) Movie Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Just saw the movie. I thought it was a really good start for the DCU!
Some spoilers. Gonna just give a quick review out of the theaters.
Superman felt very human. I enjoy seeing him play through multiple emotions and have to deal with the stress of the role he has. The relationship scenes with Louis were nice, though it's also a bit unfortunate to me that it was all time skipped. I like that they tried to make Louis an actual character in this movie and gave her a couple of scenes.
Out of every character, I think the one who really shined was Mr. Terrific. I deadass didn't even know who that guy was at the start but every scene he was in was peak. Once bro did that aura farming scene with the drones in the desert I had to put some respect on his name.
Them there's Lex Luthor who had another all-star performance in this movie. D1 hater and ragebaiter. This man made a whole pocket universe
just to trap people including his ex girlfriends. Made automatic bots to artificially spread hate on Superman. Cloned his DNA to make s dude who could fight him. I can barely remember all the things this dude been doing just to hate. Low-key insane. But I love it.
I think the action was pretty good. It was surprisingly grounded actually. Like, I don't even think there's any Tier 7 feats I can remember. The only thing that might really buff up the verse scaling is that black hole, but I'm not sure. Best part was the laser vision spam scene. It looked good in the trailers but in the movie it's even better. I'd also probably put the Mr. terrific scene up there as well. Just off the pure style.
I'm not too sure how I feel about what they did to the Kryptonians. Much darker than I thought lol. Their lore practically painted them out as Viltrumites.
The pacing was kinda weird, admittedly. Sometimes it was super fast, like the whole end of the movie where I was kinda struggling with all the plot points. Other times it was damn near stalling.
I think they did a decent enough job balancing all the things they added to it though.
Would give this a solid 7.5/10. I'd round it up to 8/10, but I think the pacing issues are pretty glaring. That's about the same rating I'd give to Thunderbolts*. Superman 2025 doesn't also really do anything super exceptional and the character arcs are pretty mild, but it's pretty entertaining.
Unfortunately the end credit scenes (both of them) didn't set anything up. I guess I'm too used to the MCU doing that and forgot what they were actually supposed to be most the of time lol.
Some spoilers. Gonna just give a quick review out of the theaters.
Superman felt very human. I enjoy seeing him play through multiple emotions and have to deal with the stress of the role he has. The relationship scenes with Louis were nice, though it's also a bit unfortunate to me that it was all time skipped. I like that they tried to make Louis an actual character in this movie and gave her a couple of scenes.
Out of every character, I think the one who really shined was Mr. Terrific. I deadass didn't even know who that guy was at the start but every scene he was in was peak. Once bro did that aura farming scene with the drones in the desert I had to put some respect on his name.
Them there's Lex Luthor who had another all-star performance in this movie. D1 hater and ragebaiter. This man made a whole pocket universe
just to trap people including his ex girlfriends. Made automatic bots to artificially spread hate on Superman. Cloned his DNA to make s dude who could fight him. I can barely remember all the things this dude been doing just to hate. Low-key insane. But I love it. I think the action was pretty good. It was surprisingly grounded actually. Like, I don't even think there's any Tier 7 feats I can remember. The only thing that might really buff up the verse scaling is that black hole, but I'm not sure. Best part was the laser vision spam scene. It looked good in the trailers but in the movie it's even better. I'd also probably put the Mr. terrific scene up there as well. Just off the pure style.
I'm not too sure how I feel about what they did to the Kryptonians. Much darker than I thought lol. Their lore practically painted them out as Viltrumites.
The pacing was kinda weird, admittedly. Sometimes it was super fast, like the whole end of the movie where I was kinda struggling with all the plot points. Other times it was damn near stalling.
I think they did a decent enough job balancing all the things they added to it though.
Would give this a solid 7.5/10. I'd round it up to 8/10, but I think the pacing issues are pretty glaring. That's about the same rating I'd give to Thunderbolts*. Superman 2025 doesn't also really do anything super exceptional and the character arcs are pretty mild, but it's pretty entertaining.
Unfortunately the end credit scenes (both of them) didn't set anything up. I guess I'm too used to the MCU doing that and forgot what they were actually supposed to be most the of time lol.
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call me a cultist but this is a 5.5/10 for me. james gunn tries too hard to show that he’s better than zack snyder and that comes at the detriment of the movie.
Superman to me is supposed to be the elder brother that u look to take care of business because he genuinely loves you. This superman felt like a teenager whining all the time and never stands on business. He has no presence and james gunn constantly trying to make him seem like a nice guy all time is dragged out. He’s TOO soft. He also kills ultraman with no remorse and makes a joke after yet he’s saving squirrels mid battle????he also lets a dude that helped him die so he can keep his secret identity????
wtf was the jor el plot man why didn’t he just copy birthright and make it SEEM like kryptonians were evil but they actually weren’t. when your saying your story is about immigrants yet you make his parents evil wtf is the point of it all? If kryptonians are evil then that supergirl movie is also going to have serious lore changes. aside from that the people at the end of the movie forgive him just because lex is a bigger asshole? this entire problem should have been fixed by then just saying the video was faked by lex, why would they chose to do this smh.
more lore changes like ultra man being a clone instead of earth 3. hawkgirl was a useless teenager. all the reporting that should have been given to lois was given to jimmy because he’s such a chad with all the hoes.
lex was great at first but became so cartoonish. and frankly almost all the characters act cartoonish.
The movie is more comicbooky than snyders stuff but it isn’t more comic accurate weirdly enough.
Superman to me is supposed to be the elder brother that u look to take care of business because he genuinely loves you. This superman felt like a teenager whining all the time and never stands on business. He has no presence and james gunn constantly trying to make him seem like a nice guy all time is dragged out. He’s TOO soft. He also kills ultraman with no remorse and makes a joke after yet he’s saving squirrels mid battle????he also lets a dude that helped him die so he can keep his secret identity????
wtf was the jor el plot man why didn’t he just copy birthright and make it SEEM like kryptonians were evil but they actually weren’t. when your saying your story is about immigrants yet you make his parents evil wtf is the point of it all? If kryptonians are evil then that supergirl movie is also going to have serious lore changes. aside from that the people at the end of the movie forgive him just because lex is a bigger asshole? this entire problem should have been fixed by then just saying the video was faked by lex, why would they chose to do this smh.
more lore changes like ultra man being a clone instead of earth 3. hawkgirl was a useless teenager. all the reporting that should have been given to lois was given to jimmy because he’s such a chad with all the hoes.
lex was great at first but became so cartoonish. and frankly almost all the characters act cartoonish.
The movie is more comicbooky than snyders stuff but it isn’t more comic accurate weirdly enough.
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I wonder what tier Metamorpho creating a miniature sun would be. Aside from that, I think his best feats were helping Superman resist the black hole and smashing a tank.
Lex Luthor stated that a LuthorCorp Megacollider was able to replicate the Big Bang to form the pocket universe.
Superman being able to resist the black hole is extra impressive when you consider that at that point he was weakened enough that even LuthorCorp Raptors were able to give him some trouble shortly beforehand.
Lex Luthor stated that a LuthorCorp Megacollider was able to replicate the Big Bang to form the pocket universe.
Superman being able to resist the black hole is extra impressive when you consider that at that point he was weakened enough that even LuthorCorp Raptors were able to give him some trouble shortly beforehand.
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Not necessarily, if Superman's parents are the only evil kryptonians / the only kryptonians to have this revive krypton mindset because Kryptonians as a whole aren't confirmed to be uhh basically Viltrumites
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Not sure if this is a hot take but I actually think Superman felt a bit too weak in this movie lol. He's stated to be the strongest meta human at the start but he doesn't really feel that way. He's constantly getting beat and even when he wins it doesn't feel completely earned to me.
Like, he only beat ultra man because of help from Krypto and the black hole being there. He nearly died from the nanites and only survived cause of ... idek? Plot armor I guess. He isn't even the one to beat that big dragon thing in the middle of the movie. The only time he feels strong is during the heat vision scene where he's just ripping through people.
Like, he only beat ultra man because of help from Krypto and the black hole being there. He nearly died from the nanites and only survived cause of ... idek? Plot armor I guess. He isn't even the one to beat that big dragon thing in the middle of the movie. The only time he feels strong is during the heat vision scene where he's just ripping through people.
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This is weird to me not due to the power display but did he kill those soldiers? Or are those robots? If he did kill them he killed more than Cavill's Superman ever did (at least directly). Besides, he was against killing the Kaiju
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Yeah maybe because Ultraman is equal / stronger than Superman
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jor el being evil and zor el being good is still a massive lore change. for what reason was she then sent to earth? to stop clark? no matter how u look at it it’s still a massive lore change.
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he didn’t kill them, it just did some damage to their armour. he deffo killed ultraman in cold blood though. or at least he thought he did
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i agree, he doesn’t even reach tier 7 i’m ngl. any blackhole stuff is likely an outlier. the same engineer that was actively boxing with him got knocked out from a free fall from space while ultraman was bleeding despite wearing a suit. it’s specifically stated superman was fine because he had the nanites to protect him.
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Headed out now will catch up when im out of the theater
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Saw it yesterday.
Absolutely loved it. Oddly enough, my one critique is that I think it should have been longer. Not so much because I feel like anything major was half-baked, but more in a "this was so good, I wish I got to see more of it" kind of way.
Absolutely loved it. Oddly enough, my one critique is that I think it should have been longer. Not so much because I feel like anything major was half-baked, but more in a "this was so good, I wish I got to see more of it" kind of way.
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how’d u feel about him killing ultraman lmao
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Pretty fine about it.
The movie pretty plainly establishes him as someone who values all forms of life as a default (hell, he seems MORE preoccupied with saving people than dealing the most damaging-possible blow at times), but Ultraman is basically a single-minded, automaton clone engineered to kill him. I'd trust this Superman to know if a threat can't be dealt with without killing it & know when he has to make exceptions to his rule (which he's established to feel quite strongly about).
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I liked the movie, but i do think it has a lot of problems.
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i wonder how u feel about zod’s. i felt that was handled way better considering how much it got shat on.
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Just got out of the theater the movie was really good to me personally and do think we're finding problem where they don't exist like Sage I think you're definitely snydering out a bit too much, Gunn isn't trying stick it to Snyder, show him up, or overcorrect. Lois was the one doing the reporting Jimmy just had a good source, Lois was literally coming up with an article and saying it aloud for Jimmy to type as she was piloting the ship.
Also Superman literally was given no time here to properly respond to Lex or the Ultraman situation, Lex literally asked 2 question and shot the guy while Superman is being mogged on by kryptonite and is trying to de-escalate while they guy is also trying himself to protect Superman by telling him not to say anything.
Superman in this movie is definitely only about High 8-C ~ 8-B, there's several feats in that range
Superman is a lot of things to a lot of different people, if he's an older brother figure to you that's fine but don't define how everyone else should perceive him. Also being mad that Superman is nice is wild when if anything that niceness and endearing presence he has makes him even more of a poweful figure when he's deliver beat downs like how he did with Ultraman and the raptors shit was cool or even just saving people he held so much weight.
Also Superman literally was given no time here to properly respond to Lex or the Ultraman situation, Lex literally asked 2 question and shot the guy while Superman is being mogged on by kryptonite and is trying to de-escalate while they guy is also trying himself to protect Superman by telling him not to say anything.
Superman in this movie is definitely only about High 8-C ~ 8-B, there's several feats in that range
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I'd say we're looking at High 8-C ~ 8-B, MHS, and Class M Superman
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Where does Massively Hypersonic come from? His peak flight speed was reaching into space in, what, maybe like 2 minutes or so?
It'd be about a kilometer per second. Mach 3 or so if I had to guess. I don't think he has any better feats than that.
It'd be about a kilometer per second. Mach 3 or so if I had to guess. I don't think he has any better feats than that.
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Flying from Antartica to metropolis in 3 minutes
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Wasn't there cuts in that?
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Lex says how long he spent flying they count down in universe 3 minutes
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Indeed, all his speed showings weren't pretty good visually like he looks really fast.The Kaiju and building lifting is easily Class M maybe G
but the GPE for it all should level out to High 8-C ~ maybe 8-B
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Most interesting scaling for me will be Lex lol.
In just a single movie he showcased high-end extraordinary genius intelligence:
Probably forgetting a bunch of stuff too.
His environmental destruction tier with technology could be anywhere from town level to planetary or universal.
In just a single movie he showcased high-end extraordinary genius intelligence:
- Replicated the big bang to create an entire pocket universe.
- Cloned Superman and created Ultraman, who is even stronger than him.
- I recall something about him having like 2,500 different protocols for fighting Superman. He literally analyzed his entire technique to the point that he has an Ultraman response for everything he does
- Manipulated entire world governments for years.
- Created nanotechnology that can morph into any structure you can imagine.
- Has defeated and imprisoned countless metahumans.
Probably forgetting a bunch of stuff too.
His environmental destruction tier with technology could be anywhere from town level to planetary or universal.
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Yeah nah he's showcased a hell of a lot in this one film its pretty nutsMost interesting scaling for me will be Lex lol.
In just a single movie he showcased high-end extraordinary genius intelligence:
- Replicated the big bang to create an entire pocket universe.
- Cloned Superman and created Ultraman, who is even stronger than him.
- I recall something about him having like 2,500 different protocols for fighting Superman. He literally analyzed his entire technique to the point that he has an Ultraman response for everything he does
- Manipulated entire world governments for years.
- Created nanotechnology that can morph into any structure you can imagine.
- Has defeated and imprisoned countless metahumans.
Probably forgetting a bunch of stuff too.
His environmental destruction tier with technology could be anywhere from town level to planetary or universal.
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you’re acting like i’m the only one saying this even people that liked the movie say this as well. it tries so hard to be different from what came before that it just either makes stupid decisions or discards things that make superman great. tons of reviews saying it “over corrects”, even from people that love it.
she doesn’t find out any information it’s jimmy that does this
woah woah woah woah. when tf did i ever say superman being nice is a bad thing? the problem is superman is TOO nice to the point where he’s not taken seriously at all. james gunn says it’s supposed to be heavily inspired by kingdom come where his superman leads the generation of heroes because they think true heroism is a thing of the past but the movie doesn’t portray that at all because of how much of a wimp superman can be. For example he doesn’t wanna kill the monster jusy the justice gang lirerally just air him, kill it and when he says something about it they just ***** him. u see what i mean here? his presence isn’t commanding at all IN NO POINT in the movie does he ever feel like an inspiration for the other heroes but rather he just feels like the optimistic naive new guy on the scene, especially when u couple in the way david is yelling all the time, he doesn’t really come off as an adult. Even when he’s sad he comes off as a kid.
He had enough time to say “i’ll tell you”. in a void the movie is alright to me but sadly, they were many stakes involved in this, i do not need to explain why it needed to be great.
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instantly with technology 3A lmao. he was way too smart with his creations to get caught the way he didMost interesting scaling for me will be Lex lol.
In just a single movie he showcased high-end extraordinary genius intelligence:
- Replicated the big bang to create an entire pocket universe.
- Cloned Superman and created Ultraman, who is even stronger than him.
- I recall something about him having like 2,500 different protocols for fighting Superman. He literally analyzed his entire technique to the point that he has an Ultraman response for everything he does
- Manipulated entire world governments for years.
- Created nanotechnology that can morph into any structure you can imagine.
- Has defeated and imprisoned countless metahumans.
Probably forgetting a bunch of stuff too.
His environmental destruction tier with technology could be anywhere from town level to planetary or universal.
.are we going to treat his blackhole like a realistic one? If i’m not mistake it doesn’t really match any of the requirements apart from looking like it. i dont think theyre any statements about mass, density, gravity, etc.
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Tons of? When there are a loud few or just grifters, I've probably only seen a single review that has said something along those lines out of already like a dozen I've looked at. More people than not do not care about this snyder shit enough to say anything along those lines if we're being 100% transparent.
Glad we agree that Jimmy had the sources while Lois literally does the actual article and puts everything together with his info
Completely disagree but I'm not gonna argue on it, better than Cavils 1 singular expression and looking like he forgot the oven on when the ******* congress building exploded. Glad to have a Superman who gets upset on the behalf of others personally but regardless our opinions aside let's get back to indexing shit
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Dawg the movie just dropped
heck no there's no profile, we don't even have footage available to calc all the major feats or scans or anything
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Ohh in my country there drop the movie like 2-3 day agoDawg the movie just dropped
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I mean even so there's ain't gonna be a profile for a while for the reasons I said
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dawg thinks we got photographic memory or something
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Wasn't it stated that Superman could hold his breath for about an hour? That would suggest a rather short time frame for him reaching the moon.
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Yeah but thats assuming he doesn't have space survival already, Kara didn't exactly travel with a ship as far as we know
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