Not at all. A CRT would be needed to expand haki's resistance beyond merely devil fruits. That's simply the result of how it's written on the page. The fact that resistances to abilities covered by "devil fruit resistance" are listed separately when they have a non-DF feat drills that in.
Nope, not how it works. In fact if we want to rules lawyer this for real lemme amp up me autism real quick...
This doesn't work. It is a resistance to abilities that originate from devil fruits. Abilities that do not originate from devil fruits are not covered as a result. A resistance to the ability of the Flame-Flame Fruit is not a resistance to fire manipulation, but fire manipulation originating from a devil fruit ability. If it wasn't like this, it wouldn't be written that way.
On what basis?
No? Morias power controls them he doesn't rewrite their past relationships
"The power of love" isn't used as justification to do stuff like this consistently and only happens under a circumstance that can be explained as a gag moment with Luffy being scared of garp to the point something like this just happens for the sake of comedic relief
And tell me...how is she using will manipulation?
That's a fair point although I don't recall salome having any feats so she's getting one shotted the moment she tried getting near ubel.
Now I'll admit that's a mistake on my part since I along with the majority of the fandom are more focused on what's going on currently than whatever we were reading years ago but pulling the "Did you even read/watch X card" is kinda cringe???? You have to learn to use it subconsciously in order for it to be combat applicable. Have you ever read One Piece?
So its passive then? Forgot but was the amp FTE?
Do you have a vote
Boa almost definitely wins but I'm not voting.
Vegapunk's description that there's no logical or scientific explanation. He completely released all individual will from Kuma.
Again... have you read One Piece
Because Garp literally uses the Fist of Love. It's a thing specific to him. It's not a gag moment. I'm not going to argue this point further.
Hancock uses Salome as a blunt weapon so its durability scales to her AP.
It can work against enemies that would normally be FTE, yes.
Proof? It says it's resistant to Devil Fruit abilities, not abilities originating from Devil Fruits. We got knowledgeable members defending one interpretation over the other so while you may not be convinced our unwilling crowd are free to make their own interpretations.
Nah, resistance to Magic is specified as resistance to Magic, not magic abilities. Fire originating from a devil fruit vs natural fire has no practical differences between one another except for obvious things like potential heat and potency, as the element they generate are both considered natural. You aren't arguing 'Specific resistance to a generalized power system' you are arguing 'NAH, THIS FIRE ISN'T FIRE BECAUSE X GENERATED IT FROM HIS BODY". Devil fruits have no unique property that would separate them from the average normal example of whatever equivalent we are talking about, if you have proof of the contrary then please provide it.
These are synonymous phrases. There's no such thing as a Devil Fruit ability that doesn't originate from a Devil Fruit. Otherwise it would just be "an ability."
Again, synonyms. If being Devil Fruit abilities did not render them distinct, it should not be listed as resistance to Devil Fruit abilities. I won't make you keep responding but this absolutely will come up again in the future. I'd hope a CRT is made at some point to list every resistance and/or clarify that it covers more than just devil fruits.
Yeah I'd do it but I'm currently going through 150 episodes of Lupin III to find more examples of why Goemon Ishikawa solos One Piece (I've lost my mind)
You're misunderstanding something... Haki doesn't resist Devil Fruits, you keep trying to say that, it only resist the abilities that are utilized by devil fruits... Those abilities work the same as any other, shown and stated throughout all of One Piece (Hence their abilities can be recreated through science). The Devil fruit page already claims devil fruit abilities to function as any other (which is already linked in the haki page)
How exactly do we not know that isn't vegapunk simply saying he can't find/give one?
Ah yes forgetting human relationships is definitely the same as rewriting them to where such events straight up didn't happenAgain... have you read One Piece
Garp from what I remember when referred to seriously as to how he fights just uses "the fist" as in his fists.
This doesn't help against dura neg
Across what distance? Can boa just blitz ppl from tens of meters away with FTE for example with intermediate stage CoO for example?
Can you link the part of the page or the scan that says this? It's late, I've read through the page, and didn't see it.
Because Vegapunk is the smartest man in the world who has researched every academic and non-academic subject and has a devil fruit which allows him to recall any information that he's ever come across in his life. If the answer was so simple that "VS Battles Wiki user @Delusionaltx2" could find it, why on God's green Earth wouldn't he?
What exactly is your point here? You're not following. Sanji erasing all of his past and memories would make what happened an impossibility. But Love is a Hurricane which makes the impossible possible. And Hancock can weaponize that love.
That's not Garp's fighting style. It's what Garp uses to fight those he loves, like Ace, Luffy, and Sabo.
Which she has to take her eyes off of Hancock to do in order to visualize Salome
Short burst movements, hence why it is reactions.
it says and implies it throughout the whole page, like all here, here, here...
here, Crocodile using his power with non devil fruit sand and there's a lot more, but it's unnecessary to talk more about.
1 Vegapunk has likely never seen something like this before?
You're not tracking. My argument was that ubel doesn't have any connections for the "power of love" to draw from which based off your examples is what's needed to work against people like ubel. Unless the power of love can work when the characters straight up don't have any relationship with each other or are unrelated in any way it wouldn't be applicable
Again characters that garp is heavily connected to and bonds with proving my point
No? The arg is that she looks at Hancock while dura negging salame with a single swing the moment salome gets close
So she can't blitz from range? SBA would have these guys start at 100s of meters because ubels mana detection has that range so if she can't blitz from that range it's useless then
She would be aware of Hancock's stats.
and can even break through magicWillpower
Willpower: In Frieren: Beyond Journey's End, even the strongest warriors have limited potential to overcome magical or supernatural abilities.
And Vegapunk is aware of the same perspective you and I are aware of. There is no explanation other than the one given and I don't know why you're trying so hard to shoehorn one in.
Kuma in a vegetable state with no connection to anything. That's what you're not understanding. All prior connection was wiped.
They were erased. Not just forgotten.
Your point that the power of love only works on those you have a connection to? Yeah, that's... how love works. Boa Hancock's SI literally works by creating that connection supernaturally, and it transcends whatever Ubel has going on via feats. You still have not rebottled (honestly it seems like you conceded this point) the fact that it can work on creatures and inanimate objects.
She needs to look at Salome.
SBA would have them start at 4 kilometers which gives Hancock even more of an advantage if anything. I assumed it started at ten meters like the last match, but this makes things even worse for Ubel.
Defensive spells are spells ment to defend the user hence ubel can't visualize just casually cutting through that
Brother..do you not see the problem with equating super natural willpower in one verse to supernatural will power in another? Even by wiki standards you can't do this
From Ubel's POV she's cutting the skin of a person trillions of times more powerful than she is. There's no proof that she's capable of doing this.
I'm not equating willpowers. Magic in Frieren quite literally can be suppressed by those with strong willpower. It's literally a mechanic of the power system in the same way that magic is a system based on visualization (It's why Kanne couldn't manipulate all of the water in a person's body).Brother..do you not see the problem with equating super natural willpower in one verse to supernatural will power in another? Even by wiki standards you can't do this
Yeah I know. Hancock is a conqueror with extreme levels of willpower. She was literally getting choked out on the verge of death by Blackbeard who was threatening her and her nation with death, and was still looking down on him.
The very premise of her abilities combined with how she uses them is enough.
Yes people in frieren can neg magic through willpower this is just a showing of stronger mages having supernatural willpower it doesn't equate because Hancock isn't from frieren so her willpower wouldn't do anything.
Again this is just how willpower works in frieren. Also no kanne can't manipulate the water in a person's body because she'd have to visualize the specifics of it which Richter heavily implies she can't do by calling this out.
Ima keep it a buck with you, comparing willpower to willpower makes more sense then saying sealing magic means sealing willpower.Ubel wouldnt see armament haki because it would've been sealed away long before ubel gets in range
Brother..do you not see the problem with equating super natural willpower in one verse to supernatural will power in another? Even by wiki standards you can't do this
Not once did I post this? If your referring to what I said about sorganell and haki I said that haki is how they manipulate their willpower. Sorganell sealing haki prevents boa from using COC
It says this
Is it willpower in frieren that negates magic? Or is it magic that is weak to strong willpower? Because this scene with Himmel and Frieren honestly implies that its the latter. It's not a special willpower that's in Frieren that allows negation of magic, it's magic that is weak to strong willpower because of its mechanics.
Sorganeil is not sealing Haki.
Sigh (ignoring the fact you just ignored everything I said here) please look at what "Enhanced subjective reality & Law manipulation"
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She visualizes strong cloth as cloth which can be cut therefore she can cut it. Skin is something that can be cut therefore she can cut it.
All this proves is that supernatural willpower in frieren exists as something separate from magic what does this do for boas stance????
Unless there is a devil fruit ability that seals stuff the same way sorganeil does then sorganeil IS sealing haki
That's where the quote I pulled came from.Sigh (ignoring the fact you just ignored everything I said here) please look at what "Enhanced subjective reality & Law manipulation"
Übel
Übel is a First-Class Mage in Frieren: Beyond Journey's End and takes the role of a supporting character in the First-Class Mage Exam and Imperial Capital arcs of the story. Übel's first appearance was during the First-Class Mage Exam arc, being one of the many mages intending to take the exam...
Yeah, not when she can sense Hancock's power.
His secret technique is to snitch to the Gorosei
Haki moment
