One-Punch Man: New City Sizes

[Kachon123]

This thread has been accepted, making the maps depicted in the One-Punch Man anime accurate and canon to the original manga. As a result, a few things have changed, namely the sizes of A-City and Z-City, as well as the yield of their destruction. Additionally, the size of the main supercontinent where the story takes place has also been determined. The following calc has been accepted:

One-Punch Man: Cities and Supercontinent Sizes

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This also changes the yield of this calc

• Destruction of Z-City: 6-B -> 6-C+

What this changes:

• Gouketsu and those relative + Lord Boros' ship full bombardment go from 6-B to 6-B+
• Elder Centipede downscales from the energy value per bullet of Lord Boros' Ship to High 6-C from 7-A
• Bang and Bomb scale to half of this High 6-C (Majority of the Cadre, majority of the S-Class Heroes)

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Okay sorry for the wait, I was a bit busy rewatching The Flash Season 1. @Qawsedf234 told me to edit the OP to add a section to argue that the destruction caused by Lord Boros' Ship and the Giant Meteor to A-City and Z-City covered the entire named regions, rather than just the main urban living area.

Starting with the Giant Meteor and Z-City, we first need to establish something. This is the map of Z-City. The big red X in the middle is exact point where the Giant Meteor struck. Keep that location in mind.
The large, abandoned neighborhood of Z-City where Saitama lives (and where the Monster Association arc took place) is categorized by its high monster activity. Because of this, all civilians moved to the center of the Z-City residential area, making the uninhabited area its own town. In the original Japanese, it is referred to as a "町", literally meaning “town”. This area is located on the coast.
When the meteor was landing, Genos stated that it would wipe out not only the Z-City residential area but also the nearby surrounding towns. "町" was also used here. From that, we know that bare minimum the residential area and the uninhabited town would have been destroyed. The explosion was omnidirectional, meaning it spread out equally in all directions from the point of impact (which we established earlier was in the center of Z-City’s residential area) to all of the towns directly around it. This is what we know would have been destroyed so far.
Lastly, Bang believed that his dojo, which is not located in any of the surrounding towns, would also have been destroyed by the meteor. The only place that these mountains could be would be in this extended landmass on the side. So in the end, we can see that the entire Z-City region would have been destroyed by the meteor.

Now for Lord Boros’ Ship and A-City. This one is a lot more simple. After Dr. Bofoi cleared away all the rubble from the ship’s bombardment, it was stated that the Hero Association Headquarters had direct roads for efficient hero deployment outside the region. What this means is that the entire region of A-City was rendered uninhabitable and completely barren except for the headquarters and the connecting roads. We know the destruction extended at least the same distance in every direction, as confirmed by multiple panels in the manga. This is important because we see Tatsumaki drag Saitama from the center of A-City all the way to N-City and back, but the path they take was still within the destroyed area created by Boros’ Ship. This means the same level of destruction applied in all directions from the impact zone

 

[That_moron2]

Damage FRB

 

[Damage3245]

Who could've seen this coming....

 

[Kachon123]

Who could've seen this coming....

 

[Damage3245]

I'll probably just make my own thread to challenge the changes next week. Not really that interested in this thread.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Who could've seen this coming....

Literally what I've said

The regions are country sized, the cities themselves aren't. I'm completely against the upgrade and if this is what its going to be used for i say the previous CRT Is also invalid.

 

[Damage3245]

Literally what I've said

The regions are country sized, the cities themselves aren't. I'm completely against the upgrade and if this is what its going to be used for i say the previous CRT Is also invalid.

Pretty much my thoughts. I'm also in disagreement with this.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Actually reading the thread literally every mod agreed that the cities are not the size of the regions. What you're proposing was never accepted Kachon

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

 

[Kachon123]

Actually reading the thread literally every mod agreed that the cities are not the size of the regions. What you're proposing was never accepted Kachon

I'm not calcing the size of the cities, but the regions.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm not calcing the size of the cities, but the regions.

You're assuming the cities completely cover the regions for the meteor and Boros barrage calcs

 

[Kachon123]

You're assuming the cities completely cover the regions for the meteor and Boros barrage calcs

No I'm not? The entire region of City A was nuked by Boros' Ship, as would the region of City Z with the meteor.

 

[Qawsedf234]

No I'm not? The entire region of City A was nuked by Boros' Ship, as would the region of City Z with the meteor.

Like I said, you're having the cities completely fill the regions. That was never accepted.

 

[Kachon123]

Like I said, you're having the cities completely fill the regions. That was never accepted.

The names "City-A" and "City-Z" in the blog are in reference to the regions, not the cities. The cities' sizes are unchanged. The regions are much larger than the cities themselves.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The names "City-A" and "City-Z" in the blog are in reference to the regions, not the cities. The cities' sizes are unchanged. The regions are much larger than the cities themselves.

The values you're getting from destroying the regions are being transposed to destroying the cities, which is then being used for an upgrade.

You'd have to show that the entire regions for both are subject to destruction for that scaling to work and that hasn't been done in the OP.

 

[Kachon123]

The values you're getting from destroying the regions are being transposed to destroying the cities, which is then being used for an upgrade.

You'd have to show that the entire regions for both are subject to destruction for that scaling to work and that hasn't been done in the OP.

Is that not how it's already treated? Saitama even walked from the rubble in City-Z to City-A without coming across any other towns in the region. The entire region was wiped out by Boros' Ship.

 

[MrTayman616]

You're assuming the cities completely cover the regions for the meteor and Boros barrage calcs

Boros's barrage has reached to the end of the region. If you walk to the end where you meet buildings, you reach City-N. which Tatsumaki had sent Saitama while fighting against him.

Same for City-Z as it was going to destroy Bang's place stated by him which is in the mountains rather than around the buildings and would reach other cities according to Genos.

 

[Qawsedf234]

not how it's already treated

No. Both are currently treated as destroying the city itself and not the entire region(s). You'd have to rework your argument to show complete regional destruction.

For now I disagree with the upgrade for all the reasons I said in the last thread.

 

[Kachon123]

No. Both are currently treated as destroying the city itself and not the entire region(s).

I find that incredible hard to believe when the currently used calc for the destruction of City-Z via the meteor uses the manga's map that was partially cut off.

 

[Damage3245]

Is that not how it's already treated? Saitama even walked from the rubble in City-Z to City-A without coming across any other towns in the region. The entire region was wiped out by Boros' Ship.

If you're referring to Chapter 170, most of his journey would've been off-screen. According to your own map he'd have had to walked through other regions such as B-City before he could get to the Hero Association HQ anyway.

 

[Kachon123]

If you're referring to Chapter 170, most of his journey would've been off-screen. According to your own map he'd have had to walked through other regions such as B-City before he could get to the Hero Association HQ anyway.

Then refer to @MrTayman616's point.

 

[Qawsedf234]

destruction of City-Z via the meteor uses the manga's map that was partially cut off.

The twisting portion was only the urban sprawl shown in the panels and in the map. The region itself was never accepted, at least to my knowledge, as being targeted by Tornado's spin or the meteors impact.

You'd have to show in both cases that the region would've been leveled as well. Currently the OP is assuming something that isn't accepted.

 

[MrTayman616]

If you're referring to Chapter 170, most of his journey would've been off-screen. According to your own map he'd have had to walked through other regions such as B-City before he could get to the Hero Association HQ anyway.

Ain't no way Saitama is paying for anything to travel :d. Not just that but it is impossible for him to do anything other than walking as Black Sperm fully followed him from the beginning.

 

[Kachon123]

The twisting portion was only the urban sprawl shown in the panels and in the map. The region itself was never accepted, at least to my knowledge, as being targeted by Tornado's spin or the meteors impact.

My point is that the reach that is currently used for the meteor impact is the entire region. The map in the manga extends all the way to the northern coast even though the meteor impacted the center of the region.

 

[Qawsedf234]

My point is that the reach that is currently used for the meteor impact is the entire region

The calc states otherwise

For reference, Z-City is far larger than the twist. So the map is almost certainly just Z-City.

Now for destroying Z-City.

I do feel like I came off as to overly dismissive with my initial point, so let me apologize and restate my points.

• The Regions being that size and the needed energy to level the regions are fine. Like we said in the last thread, the regions have always been accepted as Country sized
• The Cities have never been accepted as covering the entirety of the region
• The calcs for City A and Z currently only assume the city itself and not the region

The upgrade proposal is not "The size changed so it's an automatic upgrade", instead it's "these attacks threatened the entire region and they should be upgrade". The former isn’t a thing, as the assumption was never that the Cities = Lettered Regions. You're going for the second point, which has to be proved.

Now you can adjust the assumptions for those calcs which would fit in with your stuff, @MrTayman616 listed some examples for instance. But currently your calc does not meet the accepted assumptions for the meteor or Boros' ship.

 

[Kachon123]

The calc states otherwise


I do feel like I came off as to overly dismissive with my initial point, so let me apologize and restate my points.

• The Regions being that size and the needed energy to level the regions are fine. Like we said in the last thread, the regions have always been accepted as Country sized
• The Cities have never been accepted as covering the entirety of the region
• The calcs for City A and Z currently only assume the city itself and not the region

The upgrade proposal is not "The size changed so it's an automatic upgrade", instead it's "these attacks threatened the entire region and they should be upgrade". The former isn’t a thing, as the assumption was never that the Cities = Lettered Regions. You're going for the second point, which has to be proved.

Now you can adjust the assumptions for those calcs which would fit in with your stuff, @MrTayman616 listed some examples for instance. But currently your calc does not meet the accepted assumptions for the meteor or Boros' ship.

ByAsura in his calc used the map in the manga which shows all the way up to the coastline. The city does not reach that high up. The region does. The meteor impact was far below the coast and yet the accepted calc assumes it would reach the end of the region.

What are your thoughts on MrTayman's point?

 

[Qawsedf234]

The meteor impact was far below the coast and yet the accepted calc assumes it would reach the end of the region.

The accepted calc is purely for the destruction of the city. Same with your City A calc. It starts at the cost because the city goes to the coast, but the impact area was on the city and not the region, or at lead the accepted assumption is just the city being leveled.

What are your thoughts on MrTayman's point?

I think they hold some weight, but the OP should be updated to reflect them in my mind.

 

[Golden_Void]

Regarding City A, given the city/continent/region/whatever is completely land-locked, and you can hardly see the detail on the ground to even tell if the area to/past the horizon is damaged, it's hard to support Boros's ship damaging the entire region.




But with later shots of the city, we do see buildings in the background. And if those buildings are drawn to scale then they'd literally be multiple miles tall. So I can't be convinced either way.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Disagree FRA

 

[MrTayman616]

Regarding City A, given the city/continent/region/whatever is completely land-locked, and you can hardly see the detail on the ground to even tell if the area to/past the horizon is damaged, it's hard to support Boros's ship damaging the entire region.

Looks like it has no building to the end of the visible location there.

But with later shots of the city, we do see buildings in the background. And if those buildings are drawn to scale then they'd literally be multiple miles tall. So I can't be convinced either way.

Retcon + irrelevant regardless. The horizon in the first scan + many other scan shows way further than to the location of those buildings based on it.

Though there are also a few scan that shows buildings(sometimes does and sometimes doesn't). So these would be the cases where the drawing doesn't have a good scale.

Doesn't make sense for them to be so close as it would make not only the city, but the "Region" itself very small and extremely close to every city which doesn't make sense as we know there are cities in seasides and the size of the supercontinent etc.

Wouldn't fit the current City-A size either.

As for why it would reach to the end of the regions, we know the damage reaches until you enter to another city, Like City-N.

Fits contextually as well as Sitch was extremely scared and believed it was the prophecy after seeing the ship destroy "City-A". Which doesn't make any sense if it were only the city as we have similar feats in the first few chapter which that only gives them "Demon" lvl.

The region being destroyed here fits way better imo.

Sry for any grammar mistake or anything, using phone :d

Edit: could just be that they're just getting closer via building more? but never explained so dunno.

 

[Golden_Void]

Looks like it has no building to the end of the visible location there.

They are there they're just drawn incredibly small. If they were highlighting a country-sized area, you wouldn't be able to make out anything even resembling the shape of a building at all.




Plus if that map is supposed to be an accurate representation, then the regions in the manga are a lot smaller than the anime map. Based on the image where Saitama deflects Boros's blast.

 

[MrTayman616]

They are there they're just drawn incredibly small. If they were highlighting a country-sized areas, you wouldn't be able to make out anything even resembling the shape of a building at all.

Dunno what i should see from the first page...

Plus if that map is supposed to be an accurate representation, then the regions in the manga are a lot smaller than the anime map. Based on the image where Saitama deflects Boros's blast.

That page is wrong.

I always hated that the page below where we see Boros's attack is extremely wrong. There are literally two or more very huge continent there, not a single supercontinent lol. Murata himself revealed how the planet is with statements in twitter + pages in the manga many times. That doesn't even suit Saitama prefecture map which the OPM world takes after.

And City A isn't even there but at the center and it doesn't even have any seaside visible from anywhere as we know. Not only that but the City-A's way to travel every city, there are multiple ways to every direction, which wouldn't be if it was in the edge or close to there.

Also it can't be as the size of the supercontinent itself is obvious. Not only that but we know there are seaside cities in both sides of the continent, which means there isn't anything like that regions being so small.

 

[Raiden38]

The values you're getting from destroying the regions are being transposed to destroying the cities, which is then being used for an upgrade.

You'd have to show that the entire regions for both are subject to destruction for that scaling to work and that hasn't been done in the OP.

It is said in the manga that the meteorite would have destroyed the whole city Z and the impact would have also damaged the neighboring cities so yes, at the start, city Z would have been completely razed to the ground first and foremost and by city Z they imply by showing the map the whole region
and Boros' ship was said to have destroyed the whole city A from which the new headquarters of the heroes association was then built and from the total destruction of the region the highways were born that converge with all the cities to increase the mobility of the association and then in every page shown until proven otherwise visible signs of destruction from the ship were shown even after the craters left by the attack of the ship remained just see chapter 37 in which it is said that city A was obliterated by the attack of Boros' space cruiser
there would have been problems with this CRT if in the manga they had transposed into this last narrative arc the sign that in the webcomic in chapter 119 said "for the former city A 20km further on" but since it was not put in the manga it can only be taken into consideration if a page of the verse is made adapted to the webcomic that I have been waiting for years

 

[Damage3245]

It'd be helpful if people actually posted links to scans in their arguments.

 

[Raiden38]

They are there they're just drawn incredibly small. If they were highlighting a country-sized areas, you wouldn't be able to make out anything even resembling the shape of a building at all.




Plus if that map is supposed to be an accurate representation, then the regions in the manga are a lot smaller than the anime map. Based on the image where Saitama deflects Boros's blast.

It doesn't matter, just read chapter 37 to confirm that the destruction of the bombing of Boros' ship has erased the whole city A and from there they have now taken the opportunity to make many highways to connect to all the cities

 

[Raiden38]

It'd be helpful if people actually posted links to scans in their arguments.

the fact is that it doesn't let me put the photos and images etc. I can try to send the link but after a second it deletes it and I don't know why
In any case, I'll try again later, hoping that my message won't be deleted.

 

[Damage3245]

It doesn't matter, just read chapter 37 to confirm that the destruction of the bombing of Boros' ship has erased the whole city A and from there they have now taken the opportunity to make many highways to connect to all the cities

The city being wiped out does not mean that the entire region was covered entirely in city. The current calc in the OP models the destruction caused by the ship as an explosion 3565.4339690318 kilometers in diameter, which is definitely not something we see on-screen.

Furthermore it's currently being calced that directly under Boros' spaceship the structures are being bombarded with 280 kilotons of TNT per square meter of surface. Yet we see plenty of intact rubble and sections of building in that area such as here, here, here and here. Every square meter of that area was hit harder than a nuclear bomb, yet these concrete structures stayed as intact as they did? It seems that the current method inflates the results currently compared to the level of destruction we actually see on-screen. We can see how big the craters are that the alien bullets actually leave, so we know their level of destruction isn't actually Country level each.

 

[MrTayman616]

It'd be helpful if people actually posted links to scans in their arguments.

Sry, i was in the phone and it's torture to send links there

Murata himself revealed how the planet is with statements in twitter + pages in the manga many times. That doesn't even suit Saitama prefecture map which the OPM world takes

Scan from the twitter or just any page that shows the planet :d

And City A isn't even there but at the center and it doesn't even have any seaside visible from anywhere as we know. Not only that but the City-A's way to travel every city, there are multiple ways to every direction, which wouldn't be if it was in the edge or close to there.

Literally any page of City-A would show that it's not on the seaside. It's method of "reaching every city" also shows it can't be on the edge or seaside as it goes to every direction.

Also it can't be as the size of the supercontinent itself is obvious. Not only that but we know there are seaside cities in both sides of the continent, which means there isn't anything like that regions being so small.

City-Z and City-J which are at the opposite sides of the continent and seaside cities. The distance between City-Z and City-J is "quite far" like Genos says etc.

Or this while Saitama is taking a walk in City-Z like usual and aliens attack which shows it's location.

 

[Raiden38]

The city being wiped out does not mean that the entire region was covered entirely in city. The current calc in the OP models the destruction caused by the ship as an explosion 3565.4339690318 kilometers in diameter, which is definitely not something we see on-screen.

Furthermore it's currently being calced that directly under Boros' spaceship the structures are being bombarded with 280 kilotons of TNT per square meter of surface. Yet we see plenty of intact rubble and sections of building in that area such as here, here, here and here. Every square meter of that area was hit harder than a nuclear bomb, yet these concrete structures stayed as intact as they did? It seems that the current method inflates the results currently compared to the level of destruction we actually see on-screen. We can see how big the craters are that the alien bullets actually leave, so we know their level of destruction isn't actually Country level each.

Taking everything the manga gives us, the fact that some rubble remains does not mean that practically the rest of the city has not been destroyed and showing me as evidence those few pieces of rubble that still remain there in the area shortly after the bombing which practically showed the rest of the city destroyed and in flames from the blow does not go against the calculation in my opinion or at least not so much indeed... but in any case everything we see in the pages is mostly the whole area practically razed to the ground as far as we can see and we know that the whole city was hit by the explosion and the shockwaves also because Sweet Mask himself tells us so, who was in a nearby city. In short, the entire city A was razed to the ground with a few pieces of rubble left somewhat intact since they were mostly hit by the shock wave and therefore were not disintegrated but in the majority of the city as we can see from the various pages of chapters 36 and 37 and also from the extra chapter and those pages you showed, it is mostly a piece of overturned road where Bang ends up, you can see it from the road sign and the melzalgard shot first takes a quantity of rocks and then takes a piece of the devastated building the rest of the pages you showed shows that the whole city was destroyed but not hit in full by the explosion of the huge projectiles that created visible craters (the page with Tatsumaki is her lifting debris and more than pieces of buildings she lifts mostly rocks)
I'd like to show the other pages to show the city completely razed to the ground, but I'll leave that to others because apparently I can't. As for the rest, the meteorite issue, just look at chapter 21 to see that it would have also partially destroyed the cities near City Z. As for the nuclear explosion in general, manga rarely show you an explosion that melts everything in its detonation radius. There are various examples, a more current and simple one is the current chapter of Chainsaw Man, to make comparisons that show you the destruction of nuclear weapons. In reality, this is also how I understand it. However, I hope I've managed to more or less clarify certain things. If I say something wrong, please be gentle. Thanks.
Anyway, for now I'll leave the discussion and I won't be able to answer practically anything for my own issues to resolve and I won't have time to continue for now and for the next few weeks
if I've made a mistake with something or other I apologize in any case I repeat I hope that my current argument even without the panel etc. can be enough to make it clear what I mean next time I'll stay and watch from now on

 

[Golden_Void]

City-Z and City-J which are at the opposite sides of the continent and seaside cities. The distance between City-Z and City-J is "quite far" like Genos says etc.

But with City-J, the scene shows a city directly on the coast with the evacuation speakers going off, telling people to leave. And they're surrounded by mountains, so it's not like there's an expanse of city land far off into the distance that we don't see (at least on one side). That seems far more likely than the idea that a government would believe an entire country-sized region of people would be able to evacuate immediately.