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RWBY Vol 9 General Discussion Thread: Multiverse Of Therapy
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The still downcale from the Maidens, its just that the Maidens arent the justification for Low 7-B
Like how are you going to have one character cut off another's arm and thenn argue they dont scale?
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If the character tried to fight that character and got defeated horribly easily, then their arm chopped, then absolutely yes. Cinder directly attacked Winter good for like 3 seconds and promptly wrecked her.
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So what is the justification for Low 7-B exactly?
If its Ozpins magic then thats still Maiden territory that none of the main cast scales to. And no, Neo didn't directly tank the Long Memory.
I also think its extremely iffy to say Maidens have the same physicals as their general ED and weather powers.
If its Ozpins magic then thats still Maiden territory that none of the main cast scales to. And no, Neo didn't directly tank the Long Memory.
I also think its extremely iffy to say Maidens have the same physicals as their general ED and weather powers.
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Only weiss, the rest are fodder
Pretty much only weiss did that, the rest got rekt quite easily (bar Penny)
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plot armor, nothing more
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Surviving in this case isn’t enough to scale. It’s like when someone in dragon ball gets ***** smacked and lives despite being absolutely floored. The team fought cinder in a five v one, with one of those five being a maiden, and lost hilariously badly. Combined with Cinder obliterating winter’s bones when she got her hands on her. Though I really think we should wait to next volume on any maiden scaling because they could very easily say either “we are ready to fight cinder” or “we have no way of fighting cinder” and that’ll pretty much immediately determine the scaling. That’s like the only two ways the next volume can go so they pretty much need to comment on it.
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Except Weiss
Yang got one tapped by Neo (my goddess), Blake is trash when she tried fighting Cinder she got negg diffed (literally) and Ruby was running away from neo the whole fight, literally only Weiss stood there to confront Cinder until Penny went to help.
Weiss also tanked some attacks from Cinder, unlike Blake and Ruby who both got 1 tapped, worse is Yang.
After Penny got injured it was Weiss alone and she kept Cinder at bay, literally preventing her from getting the Maiden power and without aura. If Cinder was so much stronger than Weiss she would have smacked her aside like she did with Blake and Ruby to rush for the maiden power but she couldn't.
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Team Rwby scales to Weiss though. They all deal the same damage to the cat guy in the fantasy land and take the same hits from him (well not really until they just can somehow). If the others get smacked around like nothing, including winter who is Weiss but better, I don’t see how Weiss could scale. Winter beat up ironwood who’s superior to everyone in team Rwby, yet nothing to a maiden
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NOOOOOOO Weiss is special, she is unique and the strongest
I hate her team so much...
I hate her team so much...
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nay because I'm biased for both and I would have to kill you for it
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Then It’s close
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Honestly that does sound like a good matchup. Which Part 1 Sasuke though, Land of Waves Sasuke or Pre-Chūnin Exams Finals Sasuke?
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Yang ripped Salem's torso open with her explosives
Weiss is acknowledged as Winter's equal when Winter cut of Cinder's arm
Blake KOed Vine who tanked Yang' explosives to the face
No one is arguing that they scale DIRECTLY to the maidens, just that they downscale from them.
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Shitty durability
Time passed
They are weaker plus aura bs
Only weiss fam
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Still canonically more durable than a Maiden
What does this even mean?
What is weaker?
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The arm is defenseless that’s the entire point of it. Raven specifically pointed out it’s unprotected and a stray shard ripped through it like butter.
Also that winter statement is straight contradicted, winter beat ironwood when everyone else in the team was achieving nothing. Can’t say she one shot him though because I guess he was off his game because later he beat her without using the main function of his gun. Which proves he’s not on par with maidens because he needs a special gun to do anything to them and it one shot him to the point he literally died.
Also that winter statement is straight contradicted, winter beat ironwood when everyone else in the team was achieving nothing. Can’t say she one shot him though because I guess he was off his game because later he beat her without using the main function of his gun. Which proves he’s not on par with maidens because he needs a special gun to do anything to them and it one shot him to the point he literally died.
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It being 'defenseless' doesnt mean its any less durable than the rest of Cinder's body, especially when she uses it explicitly for CQC and H2H combat. If it were somhow less durable, she wouldnt be able to use it to throw punches and swing her swords with the same power that she does. Hell she literally restrained Raven with that same 'defenseless' arm.
Again, downscaling. Ironwood is just somewhere between the Maidens and Team RWBY in terms of stats.
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He got literally one shot, to the point he straight died!
Plus needing that gun is absolutely nonsensical if he’s on par with maidens even slightly.
Considering Winter gets most her bones broken from hits from that Grimm arm yet can cut through it like tin foil, that is absolutely the case of it being a glass canon, exactly like it’s intended to be as said out loud to the audience. It restraining her would be lifting strength and ap, not durability, a stray shard from one of raven’s attack tore through it like paper, making it make no sense to scale to cinder at all.
Plus needing that gun is absolutely nonsensical if he’s on par with maidens even slightly.
Considering Winter gets most her bones broken from hits from that Grimm arm yet can cut through it like tin foil, that is absolutely the case of it being a glass canon, exactly like it’s intended to be as said out loud to the audience. It restraining her would be lifting strength and ap, not durability, a stray shard from one of raven’s attack tore through it like paper, making it make no sense to scale to cinder at all.
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If they downscale then teaming up means they should have a chance, but they don’t at all, cinder curpstomped the 5v1 even when one of those was a maiden.
Narratively the story has everything saying they don’t scale. Maiden weapons kill them, are superior to them, and they fail to fight them even with every advantage but power.
Narratively the story has everything saying they don’t scale. Maiden weapons kill them, are superior to them, and they fail to fight them even with every advantage but power.
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Who did? Ironwood? He didnt die, it just incapped him.
Its almost like the entire point of the Atlas Arc guy was hyper-paranoid to the point of making extreme decisions. That coupled with Qrow directly stating that it would take him, Glynda, Ironwood, and two other huntsmen on their level to beat a Maiden. He can hurt a Maiden, he's just not equal to one. Again, downscaling.
Prove it. The arm being able to dish out tier 7 punches and physically harm and restrain other tier 7 opponents hard counters the idea that its a glass cannon. Newton's third law. Show proof that supports it being a glass cannon beyond 'other people can damage it', which would just be supporting evidence for them downscaling.
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“Newton's third law”
We have glass canon’s on this site. The fact that winter can slice it off, with broken bones, without further breaking her bones, despite it obliterating her bones, means it innately is one. Ignoring that Raven’s entire point of her statement is one; it got shredded by a random shard despite her tanking a direct hit from from Raven in the very attack.
We have glass canon’s on this site. The fact that winter can slice it off, with broken bones, without further breaking her bones, despite it obliterating her bones, means it innately is one. Ignoring that Raven’s entire point of her statement is one; it got shredded by a random shard despite her tanking a direct hit from from Raven in the very attack.
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He didnt die from that, he died from Atlas collapsing on top of him when it hit the ground.
It is physically impossible to be a glass cannon while also using physical attacks equal to your AP. Do not cite the deep lore to me child I was there when it was written, this site has always used Newton's Third Law for things like this.
Also, I just rewatched the fight and you are severely misremembering what happened.
Winter cut off Cinder's arm BEFORE Cinder broke her arm, and it wasnt even the arm that was wielding her sword it was her non-dominant arm.
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“It is physically impossible to be a glass cannon while also using physical attacks equal to your AP”
This is fiction, that doesn’t matter (we have glass canons who physically fight all over this site), Rwby specifically says her arm is weaker, Raven specifically is referring to her arm being a weak point. “Was her non dominant hand” that makes it even worse for winter. That means Cinder’s weak arm shattered all her bones, yet she can somehow chop through her stronger arm as if it’s paper. You are missing the point in how that means it innately can’t scale to cinder as she’s massively stronger to Winter to the point she demolishes her in seconds and obliterates her bones yet Winter can obliterate the very arm that is stated to be non protected
This is fiction, that doesn’t matter (we have glass canons who physically fight all over this site), Rwby specifically says her arm is weaker, Raven specifically is referring to her arm being a weak point. “Was her non dominant hand” that makes it even worse for winter. That means Cinder’s weak arm shattered all her bones, yet she can somehow chop through her stronger arm as if it’s paper. You are missing the point in how that means it innately can’t scale to cinder as she’s massively stronger to Winter to the point she demolishes her in seconds and obliterates her bones yet Winter can obliterate the very arm that is stated to be non protected
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My guy, you would have to do a wiki-wide CRT if this is the actual argument youre going with, because we most definitely do not have glass cannons that punch with the same power as their durability. That directly contradicts the durability page:
Durability
Durability is the property which guarantees the ability to withstand a certain amount of force. Withstanding force consists of the measurement of the severity of damage from attacks. This is not to be confused with endurance; while durability is the ability to withstand damage, endurance is a...
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Scans of this? I dont recall Ruby ever saying this. And its a 'weak point' because it has no Aura, not because its less durable.
Where are you getting the idea that Cinder 'shattered her bones'? Winter was up and fighting with the same arm a few hours later with no issue. You are missing the point that Cinder's Grimm arm is no weaker or less durable than the rest of her body, it just doesnt have Aura which makes it easier to damage. Its physically impossible for it to be less durable when she dishes out Town and City level punches and sword strikes with that arm.
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Can we talk about how strong and sharp rwby characters weapons are with and without aura? Also the grimm arm is clearly less durable then the rest of cinder's body due to aura. Raven explicitly states/implies this in her fight with cinder. I feel like we should discuss the games more as I'm sure we missed stuff and or need to revise stuff
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Does anyone want to take a look at this match up Wiess vs Sasuke.
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Its not less durable, it's just not protected by aura. Her grimm arm is the same durability as the resr of her body. That's like saying a human being wearing a full suit of armor is physically less durable if one of the arms is missing.
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Probably not the best time to be making rwby matchups, the characters are about to go through a ton of revisions and upgrades
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Same durability as her body sure but without aura
Like what?
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Salem hasnt got any higher durability. If anything, due to being mostly grimm, shes got no aura to protect herself. She relies on her immortality regen.
Yeah, shes definitely not Winter's equal. I dont remember this tho
Aura damage prior, doesnt rly say anything
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Cinder's body without aura is Small City level in durability.
AP upgrades, skill overhauls, adding in-verse multipliers via various semblances, adding tons of missing info from the novels, games, and extended media, a total overhaul of the Aura power page, and a ton of other things I've been cooking up for the past two years.
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Tbh, they weren’t losing. They were keeping up with Cinder just fine. It was also a 4 v 1. Cinder didn’t land any attacks on them either.
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No, there is not a single thing that implies it was amped
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