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As established and already accepted following my previous thread, The Source (Purest Form), The Presence (True Extent), and The Overvoid are the same absolute backdrop of reality. This discussion thread does not aim to reopen this equivalence, but rather to build upon it for greater clarity and justification of the tier. Below is a brief summary of the core idea of my previous thread:
Since Dark Crisis (2020), both The Source and The Presence have been portrayed through the concept of the Light of Creation. This has made contradictions with their previously established identity with The Overvoid, as the Light of Creation is depicted as a force of life and creation opposed and preceded by the Great Darkness rather than as an absolute, non-dual void of nothingness. However, The New Gods (2025) #12 clarifies that The Source possesses a pure, pre-creational state described as a white emptiness of unrealized potential. This resolves the apparent contradiction by establishing a distinction between the absolute state and its post-creational manifestation.
From this point of view, the Light of Creation is best understood as the post-creational or manifest state of The Source and The Presence: the first knowable expression of existence. Their true state remains identical to the Overvoid, which exists beyond all of space, time, causality, duality, hierarchy, and definition.
As i said above, the Light of Creation is preceded by the Great Darkness, and the two function as conceptual opposites. The Light represents life and creation, while the Great Darkness represents the antithesis of creation and the absence of light. Grant Morrison described the Great Darkness as the first contradiction, emerging spontaneously as an evolving property of the Overvoid itself. Importantly, even the Great Darkness’s awakening, as depicted in Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing, unfolds according to God’s plan established since the beginning of time, rather than existing outside the absolute. Likewise, Darkseid, who embodies an aspect of the Great Darkness, functions within the divine framework as an essential force of conquest and turmoil within the Multiverse.
This further supports the idea that nothing, including primordial negation or contradiction, exists beyond the ultimate ground of reality represented by The Source, The Presence, and The Overvoid. This idea is thematically illustrated through the story of the Monkey King, framed as a story told by the Presence to Lucifer Morningstar, demonstrating that even reaching the Void does not constitute true separation from the divine totality. This aligns with philosophical traditions in which the universe itself is understood as a thought within the mind of God. Based on these clarifications, I am proposing the following:
1. Upgrade The Source (Purest Form), The Presence (True Extent), and The Overvoid to Tier 0, as they represent the same absolute, featureless ground of reality beyond all forms of existence and non-existence.
2. Merge the profiles of The Overvoid and The Void (Vertigo), as both represent the infinite and eternal white void beyond Creation and both house infinite Creations, including those preceding Yahweh’s Multiverse.
3. Merge the keys of The Divine Presence (DeMatteis Cosmology), The Creator (Crisis Cosmology), and The Unknowable (Vertigo Cosmology) into a single unified key on The Presence’s profile, as these are different narrative frameworks describing the same absolute entity.
4. Downgrade the Great Darkness and Pralaya to High 1-A, as the Great Darkness is the conceptual antithesis of creation and the dual opposite of the Light of Creation, while Pralaya represents another interpretation of the same primordial darkness within a different belief system. The provided scan illustrates how DC’s entities are framed differently depending on cultural or philosophical perspectives, without implying a higher status. One of Pralaya's keys should represent her aspect of darkness and should be downgraded to to High 1-A. The High 1-A+ (Type 1) key should remain in her profile, representing Pralaya as an aspect of God.
As established and already accepted following my previous thread, The Source (Purest Form), The Presence (True Extent), and The Overvoid are the same absolute backdrop of reality. This discussion thread does not aim to reopen this equivalence, but rather to build upon it for greater clarity and justification of the tier. Below is a brief summary of the core idea of my previous thread:
Since Dark Crisis (2020), both The Source and The Presence have been portrayed through the concept of the Light of Creation. This has made contradictions with their previously established identity with The Overvoid, as the Light of Creation is depicted as a force of life and creation opposed and preceded by the Great Darkness rather than as an absolute, non-dual void of nothingness. However, The New Gods (2025) #12 clarifies that The Source possesses a pure, pre-creational state described as a white emptiness of unrealized potential. This resolves the apparent contradiction by establishing a distinction between the absolute state and its post-creational manifestation.
From this point of view, the Light of Creation is best understood as the post-creational or manifest state of The Source and The Presence: the first knowable expression of existence. Their true state remains identical to the Overvoid, which exists beyond all of space, time, causality, duality, hierarchy, and definition.
As i said above, the Light of Creation is preceded by the Great Darkness, and the two function as conceptual opposites. The Light represents life and creation, while the Great Darkness represents the antithesis of creation and the absence of light. Grant Morrison described the Great Darkness as the first contradiction, emerging spontaneously as an evolving property of the Overvoid itself. Importantly, even the Great Darkness’s awakening, as depicted in Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing, unfolds according to God’s plan established since the beginning of time, rather than existing outside the absolute. Likewise, Darkseid, who embodies an aspect of the Great Darkness, functions within the divine framework as an essential force of conquest and turmoil within the Multiverse.
This further supports the idea that nothing, including primordial negation or contradiction, exists beyond the ultimate ground of reality represented by The Source, The Presence, and The Overvoid. This idea is thematically illustrated through the story of the Monkey King, framed as a story told by the Presence to Lucifer Morningstar, demonstrating that even reaching the Void does not constitute true separation from the divine totality. This aligns with philosophical traditions in which the universe itself is understood as a thought within the mind of God. Based on these clarifications, I am proposing the following:
1. Upgrade The Source (Purest Form), The Presence (True Extent), and The Overvoid to Tier 0, as they represent the same absolute, featureless ground of reality beyond all forms of existence and non-existence.
2. Merge the profiles of The Overvoid and The Void (Vertigo), as both represent the infinite and eternal white void beyond Creation and both house infinite Creations, including those preceding Yahweh’s Multiverse.
3. Merge the keys of The Divine Presence (DeMatteis Cosmology), The Creator (Crisis Cosmology), and The Unknowable (Vertigo Cosmology) into a single unified key on The Presence’s profile, as these are different narrative frameworks describing the same absolute entity.
4. Downgrade the Great Darkness and Pralaya to High 1-A, as the Great Darkness is the conceptual antithesis of creation and the dual opposite of the Light of Creation, while Pralaya represents another interpretation of the same primordial darkness within a different belief system. The provided scan illustrates how DC’s entities are framed differently depending on cultural or philosophical perspectives, without implying a higher status. One of Pralaya's keys should represent her aspect of darkness and should be downgraded to to High 1-A. The High 1-A+ (Type 1) key should remain in her profile, representing Pralaya as an aspect of God.
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