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Bleach Multiplier Thread + Bonus Content (Not featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series)

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I hesitate to comment since this seems very lore heavy - and its been years since I’ve interacted with Bleach at all (Honestly forgot I even watched it for a second)

So apologies if what I’m about to ask comes off pretty ignorant, but to make sure I understand correctly; Blut’s multiplier comes from being equal to a Bandai amp per one of the blog with the proposed changes:

“Blut drastically increases offense or defense, but not both at the same time. Blut in the keyword is stated to be an offense or defense amp (depending on if it’s Blut Vene or Blut Arterie) equivalent to the Bankai amp. Since Blut only amps one stat at a time, and it’s equivalent to a Bankai level amp, Blut will get a 5x multiplier (5x AP for Arterie, 5x durability for Vene).”

But Bandais have an unknown multiplier, and none of them include 10x - even the one that is a 5x boost says its just for that Bandai:

“Bankai has no specific multiplier. Ikkaku's Bankai in particular is considered at least 5x for AP and Striking Strength due to his Bankai being just a strength boost and nothing else. Byakuya's Senkei is accepted as 2x boost for AP and Striking Strength, which also makes Ichigo's Bankai 2x for AP and Striking Strength as well. Bankai Multipliers can also theoretically apply to other stats depending on feats and statements”

I’m probably just missing context here, so again sorry for the ignorance. Aside from that, the math in the scaling seems correct, so I don’t see any issues with the update once I get some more context.

EDIT: Also saw some Imgur scans mention they were translated with Chat GPT; while they weren’t relevant for this discussion please be careful with that, as MTL translations are not allowed on the wiki.
 
SomebodyData said:
I hesitate to comment since this seems very lore heavy - and its been years since I’ve interacted with Bleach at all (Honestly forgot I even watched it for a second)

So apologies if what I’m about to ask comes off pretty ignorant, but to make sure I understand correctly; Blut’s multiplier comes from being equal to a Bandai amp per one of the blog with the proposed changes:

“Blut drastically increases offense or defense, but not both at the same time. Blut in the keyword is stated to be an offense or defense amp (depending on if it’s Blut Vene or Blut Arterie) equivalent to the Bankai amp. Since Blut only amps one stat at a time, and it’s equivalent to a Bankai level amp, Blut will get a 5x multiplier (5x AP for Arterie, 5x durability for Vene).”

But Bandais have an unknown multiplier, and none of them include 10x - even the one that is a 5x boost says its just for that Bandai:

“Bankai has no specific multiplier. Ikkaku's Bankai in particular is considered at least 5x for AP and Striking Strength due to his Bankai being just a strength boost and nothing else. Byakuya's Senkei is accepted as 2x boost for AP and Striking Strength, which also makes Ichigo's Bankai 2x for AP and Striking Strength as well. Bankai Multipliers can also theoretically apply to other stats depending on feats and statements”

I’m probably just missing context here, so again sorry for the ignorance. Aside from that, the math in the scaling seems correct, so I don’t see any issues with the update once I get some more context.

EDIT: Also saw some Imgur scans mention they were translated with Chat GPT; while they weren’t relevant for this discussion please be careful with that, as MTL translations are not allowed on the wiki.
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I think what OP is saying is that;
Bankai is a 5 to 10 times amp for the combat ability as a whole (which includes AP, Speed etc) so some characters will obviously have their speed amped by 2 times or 3 times, whilst others will have their AP amped by 4 times or 2 times but in case of Blut since it only focused on either Offence/Defence the amp (which is comparable to a Bankai i.e a 5-10 times boost) will only go towards either Offence/Defence and won't be split between the different factors that contribute towards someone's combat abilities. Also some of your Bankai got autocorrected lol.
 
SomebodyData said:
I hesitate to comment since this seems very lore heavy - and its been years since I’ve interacted with Bleach at all (Honestly forgot I even watched it for a second)

So apologies if what I’m about to ask comes off pretty ignorant, but to make sure I understand correctly; Blut’s multiplier comes from being equal to a Bandai amp per one of the blog with the proposed changes:

“Blut drastically increases offense or defense, but not both at the same time. Blut in the keyword is stated to be an offense or defense amp (depending on if it’s Blut Vene or Blut Arterie) equivalent to the Bankai amp. Since Blut only amps one stat at a time, and it’s equivalent to a Bankai level amp, Blut will get a 5x multiplier (5x AP for Arterie, 5x durability for Vene).”

But Bandais have an unknown multiplier, and none of them include 10x - even the one that is a 5x boost says its just for that Bandai:

“Bankai has no specific multiplier. Ikkaku's Bankai in particular is considered at least 5x for AP and Striking Strength due to his Bankai being just a strength boost and nothing else. Byakuya's Senkei is accepted as 2x boost for AP and Striking Strength, which also makes Ichigo's Bankai 2x for AP and Striking Strength as well. Bankai Multipliers can also theoretically apply to other stats depending on feats and statements”

I’m probably just missing context here, so again sorry for the ignorance. Aside from that, the math in the scaling seems correct, so I don’t see any issues with the update once I get some more context.

EDIT: Also saw some Imgur scans mention they were translated with Chat GPT; while they weren’t relevant for this discussion please be careful with that, as MTL translations are not allowed on the wiki.
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Genuinely don't remember which scans say chatgpt, but I'm pretty sure all those scans also have a human translated version with them and that's the part that matters (also I took those scans off the profiles) If there is a scan with only mtl translation(s) and no human one in the same scan, point it out and I'll scrap it.
As for the multiplier, the Blut multiplier was already accepted in a past CRT
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Bleach TYBW Anime Cour 1 AP/Durability Revisions

Intro I'm back 😈 Destroying Soul Society Zanka no Tachi is stated to be able to destroy the entire Soul Society over the span of several hours with its raw aura alone. So, I calculated that as such, lowballing Soul Society to be a planet for now. Blut Blut drastically increases offense or...
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The main purpose is to just remove the 5x-10x range being applied in accordance with VS Battles standards (that being choosing the multiplier that would lead to the lowest results) and instead to a solution based on Blut being strength related and other potential factors listed above.
When I have the time, I'll see if I can't add to the OP the thread where Blut was accepted.
 
Cipher72 said:
Also some of your Bankai got autocorrected lol.
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Yeah I just saw lol 😭

DragonZeroNova said:
Genuinely don't remember which scans say chatgpt, but I'm pretty sure all those scans also have a human translated version with them and that's the part that matters (also I took those scans off the profiles) If there is a scan with only mtl translation(s) and no human one in the same scan, point it out and I'll scrap it.
As for the multiplier, the Blut multiplier was already accepted in a past CRT
vsbattles.com

Bleach TYBW Anime Cour 1 AP/Durability Revisions

Intro I'm back 😈 Destroying Soul Society Zanka no Tachi is stated to be able to destroy the entire Soul Society over the span of several hours with its raw aura alone. So, I calculated that as such, lowballing Soul Society to be a planet for now. Blut Blut drastically increases offense or...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
The main purpose is to just remove the 5x-10x range being applied in accordance with VS Battles standards (that being choosing the multiplier that would lead to the lowest results) and instead to a solution based on Blut being strength related and other potential factors listed above.
When I have the time, I'll see if I can't add to the OP the thread where Blut was accepted.
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Yeah, just provide the thread when you’re free and you can count me in as an agreement.
 
I’m blind 🙈

Yeah, that was the thread where they mentioned Blut grants a 5x boost because its comparable to the Bankai; to clarify, I’m asking where we got the 5x to 10x boosts for Bankais since the blog linked in the OP mentioned there was no confirmed bankai multiplier.
 
SomebodyData said:
I’m blind 🙈

Yeah, that was the thread where they mentioned Blut grants a 5x boost because its comparable to the Bankai; to clarify, I’m asking where we got the 5x to 10x boosts for Bankais since the blog linked in the OP mentioned there was no confirmed bankai multiplier.
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From what I understand, it's a difference in how the abilities work. I'm pretty sure the Bankai 5-10x scan is somewhere in my OP/multiplier section of the blog, but if it isn't, I'll find it. (Edit: Cipher's comment below has the scan)

Anyways, assuming you know about Yoruichi's 5-10x scan, the reason we don't use it for all Bankai is because of the varied abilities of the Bankai and the potential for different stats to be increased. As you can see in the multiplier section, Ikkaku's Bankai ONLY raises his offensive ability, which is why a 5x was accepted for his Bankai. Basically, the 5-10x itself is accepted, just not as a general multiplier for all Bankai unless there is proof that just 1 stat is being given a Bankai level increase.

The reason why Blut is accepted is because you can only use one variant at a time, both variants are Bankai level increases and both only increase a single stat (that being offensive capability and defensive capability), meaning the Bankai multiplier can be applied.

I suppose you could argue that the real reason we can accept Blut as 5-10x is because we do the same with people like Ikkaku and Gantenbainne. I can try to find those threads too, though hopefully past Dragon was smart enough to link those to the blog.
 
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SomebodyData said:
I’m asking where we got the 5x to 10x boosts for Bankais
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It's the Yoruichi scan you sent, other than that ig maybe it's stated in some data books.
It's just that there's no generalised amp for a specific stat, it depends on the individual Bankai. Like I explained in my previous comment.
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DragonZeroNova said:
From what I understand, it's a difference in how the abilities work. I'm pretty sure the Bankai 5-10x scan is somewhere in my OP/multiplier section of the blog, but if it isn't, I'll find it. (Edit: Cipher's comment below has the scan)

Anyways, assuming you know about Yoruichi's 5-10x scan, the reason we don't use it for all Bankai is because of the varied abilities of the Bankai and the potential for different stats to be increased. As you can see in the multiplier section, Ikkaku's Bankai ONLY raises his offensive ability, which is why a 5x was accepted for his Bankai. Basically, the 5-10x itself is accepted, just not as a general multiplier for all Bankai unless there is proof that just 1 stat is being given a Bankai level increase.

The reason why Blut is accepted is because you can only use one variant at a time, both variants are Bankai level increases and both only increase a single stat (that being offensive capability and defensive capability), meaning the Bankai multiplier can be applied.

I suppose you could argue that the real reason we can accept Blut as 5-10x is because we do the same with people like Ikkaku and Gantenbainne. I can try to find those threads too, though hopefully past Dragon was smart enough to link those to the blog.
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Oh yeah, I see the scan now. Yeah I agree with the changes then, its pretty straightforward (albeit, its a lot of math huh)
 
Cipher72 said:
It's the Yoruichi scan you sent, other than that ig maybe it's stated in some data books.
It's just that there's no generalised amp for a specific stat, it depends on the individual Bankai. Like I explained in my previous comment.
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I really am blind
 
Mommyleona said:
so like.. most of this hinges on that one Yoruichi statement, that doesnt even name any stats to begin with, and is mentioned once and never again?
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no. Otherwise, all Bankai would be 5-10x which they aren't.
Unless you just mean like, the number 5-10x or the implication of the statement?
 
DragonZeroNova said:
From what I understand, it's a difference in how the abilities work. I'm pretty sure the Bankai 5-10x scan is somewhere in my OP/multiplier section of the blog, but if it isn't, I'll find it. (Edit: Cipher's comment below has the scan)

Anyways, assuming you know about Yoruichi's 5-10x scan, the reason we don't use it for all Bankai is because of the varied abilities of the Bankai and the potential for different stats to be increased. As you can see in the multiplier section, Ikkaku's Bankai ONLY raises his offensive ability, which is why a 5x was accepted for his Bankai. Basically, the 5-10x itself is accepted, just not as a general multiplier for all Bankai unless there is proof that just 1 stat is being given a Bankai level increase.

The reason why Blut is accepted is because you can only use one variant at a time, both variants are Bankai level increases and both only increase a single stat (that being offensive capability and defensive capability), meaning the Bankai multiplier can be applied.

I suppose you could argue that the real reason we can accept Blut as 5-10x is because we do the same with people like Ikkaku and Gantenbainne. I can try to find those threads too, though hopefully past Dragon was smart enough to link those to the blog.
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Mommyleona said:
if it isnt even used for all bankais, why is it being used at all? or let alone for other things like blut, and as far as i get hollow masks and etc? it never made sense for me
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Some bankais dont even increase any stats... like Shunsui's for example
Dragging that statement to apply to other things because they're described as "bankai like buffs" or smth like that is such a big stretch, when even the initial statement doesnt refer to any stats
 
Mommyleona said:
Some bankais dont even increase any stats... like Shunsui's for example
Dragging that statement to apply to other things because they're described as "bankai like buffs" or smth like that is such a big stretch, when even the initial statement doesnt refer to any stats
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DragonZeroNova said:
From what I understand, it's a difference in how the abilities work. I'm pretty sure the Bankai 5-10x scan is somewhere in my OP/multiplier section of the blog, but if it isn't, I'll find it. (Edit: Cipher's comment below has the scan)

Anyways, assuming you know about Yoruichi's 5-10x scan, the reason we don't use it for all Bankai is because of the varied abilities of the Bankai and the potential for different stats to be increased. As you can see in the multiplier section, Ikkaku's Bankai ONLY raises his offensive ability, which is why a 5x was accepted for his Bankai. Basically, the 5-10x itself is accepted, just not as a general multiplier for all Bankai unless there is proof that just 1 stat is being given a Bankai level increase.

The reason why Blut is accepted is because you can only use one variant at a time, both variants are Bankai level increases and both only increase a single stat (that being offensive capability and defensive capability), meaning the Bankai multiplier can be applied.

I suppose you could argue that the real reason we can accept Blut as 5-10x is because we do the same with people like Ikkaku and Gantenbainne. I can try to find those threads too, though hopefully past Dragon was smart enough to link those to the blog.
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Try again
 
DragonZeroNova said:
From what I understand, it's a difference in how the abilities work. I'm pretty sure the Bankai 5-10x scan is somewhere in my OP/multiplier section of the blog, but if it isn't, I'll find it. (Edit: Cipher's comment below has the scan)

Anyways, assuming you know about Yoruichi's 5-10x scan, the reason we don't use it for all Bankai is because of the varied abilities of the Bankai and the potential for different stats to be increased. As you can see in the multiplier section, Ikkaku's Bankai ONLY raises his offensive ability, which is why a 5x was accepted for his Bankai. Basically, the 5-10x itself is accepted, just not as a general multiplier for all Bankai unless there is proof that just 1 stat is being given a Bankai level increase.

The reason why Blut is accepted is because you can only use one variant at a time, both variants are Bankai level increases and both only increase a single stat (that being offensive capability and defensive capability), meaning the Bankai multiplier can be applied.

I suppose you could argue that the real reason we can accept Blut as 5-10x is because we do the same with people like Ikkaku and Gantenbainne. I can try to find those threads too, though hopefully past Dragon was smart enough to link those to the blog.
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Mommyleona said:
Some bankais dont even increase any stats... like Shunsui's for example
Dragging that statement to apply to other things because they're described as "bankai like buffs" or smth like that is such a big stretch, when even the initial statement doesnt refer to any stats
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Mommyleona said:
well except it wasnt, nothing there answers my point, but alright
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I mean if someone's only boost is how hard they punch, it would be unreasonable to attribute the 5x combat ability boost to anything but striking strength

It would be better if you select a particular character and argue why the multiplied stat would not be defining what their primary combat capability is
not to mention stuff like bluts literally can't be argued to be anything other than stats
 
Mommyleona said:
yeah, i read everything, and i still disagree
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I don’t think you read what he wrote, because he said the same thing as you.

The multiplier for stats only applies to Bankai which are stats based, not on everyone, if someone has an hax based bankai he would not get it.

Also, stuff like the Hollow Mask is stated to increase speed and offense, and for example it matched Grimmjow’s Resurrección, Resurrección as whole are stated to be comparable to Bankai.

Blut, also increases AP and defense very clearly.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
I mean if someone's only boost is how hard they punch, it would be unreasonable to attribute the 5x combat ability boost to anything but striking strength

It would be better if you select a particular character and argue why the multiplied stat would not be defining what their primary combat capability is
not to mention stuff like bluts literally can't be argued to be anything other than stats
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Yep that's why I think the logic is very much valid here.
  • Bankai amps combat ability
  • Combat ability is a mix of factors such as (stats & hax)
  • Blut amps stats
  • Blut amp is compared to Bankai amps
  • Blut amps the stats to the same extent a Bankai would if the Bankai solely amped stats.

I feel like the line of logic is very sound here ngl.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
I don’t think you read what he wrote, because he said the same thing as you.
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No. Im saying the multiplier should not be used at all, because it's inconsistent and contradicted by how bankais work. Her statement is simply unreliable.
"Bankai like" increase is undefined.
Blut doesn't have a stated multiplier.
Hollow mask doesn't have a stated multiplier.
 
Whats left here? Ya do have admin and thread mod approval already
 
Since I now have 3 votes, I'll consider this passed. To my surprise, proposal 1 actually passed (that was my highball that I wished for but didn't think would happen) so I'll also revise the blog as stated in the OP so people don't get confused.

The revision itself will take a long time to finish and I do have other stuff to do irl, so I'll just quietly work on it for the rest of this month + possibly February and will give updates sporadically.
 
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