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Clarifying the True Nature of The Source, The Presence, and The Overvoid (Tier 0 Proposal)
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Mother Night is the true void as per vertigo cosmology . The Void profile should be removed @Elizio33
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The Voice (Presence should be upgraded to High1A +
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I have no idea where Elizio33 is... and I hope comes back...
Anyway, Peralaya’s profile editing is finished, and you can lock their profile...
For Overvoid, Source, and Great Darkness, only the keys have been changed, and they still need better justifications to resolve the contradictions.
And the profiles for Presence and The Void have not been edited at all...
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In regards to Pralaya. The note needs removing from her page at the bottom. As her avatar got downgraded from High 1-A+ Type 1 to just High 1-A. So she only has one variant of High 1A+ via her true form being Type 2.
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So with the extremely long delay, i must admit that I had to refresh my memory, but i had time to work a draft for The Presence:
The Presence
Tier: High 1-A | High 1-A | High 1-A+ | 0
Keys: Yahweh | The Light of Creation | The Voice | God/The Unknowable
Attack Potency: High Outerverse level (Yahweh is a manifestation of God whose form and identity were shaped by the collective beliefs and dreams of humanity, immensely more powerful than both Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos) | High Outerverse level (The Light of Creation is the actualized expression of God, through which existence was brought into and imposed upon the Great Darkness, birthing the Energies of Creation that enabled the formation of the Multiverse and those within the Greater Omniverse) | High Outerverse level+ (The Voice is the active medium through which the Light of Creation is manifested, bringing forth existence and life through the command: "Let there be Light") | Boundless (The Unknowable, God, or the Monad is the absolute perfect essence and oneness underlying all Creation, infinitely transcending existence and the pre-creational darkness, Pralaya. Silently observing Creation from a state where time is no time and space is no space, God exists as one with the Overvoid or the Void beyond all Voids, in which all duality and identity dissolve into unity. In this state, all of Creation is a thought drifting within the pure consciousness of God, and all of existence derives from His will, within a room contracted from Himself to house Creation. Though perceived differently across the different belief systems, all converge on a God Beyond Gods, without beginning or end, the ultimate source of all existence)
The Presence
Tier: High 1-A | High 1-A | High 1-A+ | 0
Keys: Yahweh | The Light of Creation | The Voice | God/The Unknowable
Attack Potency: High Outerverse level (Yahweh is a manifestation of God whose form and identity were shaped by the collective beliefs and dreams of humanity, immensely more powerful than both Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos) | High Outerverse level (The Light of Creation is the actualized expression of God, through which existence was brought into and imposed upon the Great Darkness, birthing the Energies of Creation that enabled the formation of the Multiverse and those within the Greater Omniverse) | High Outerverse level+ (The Voice is the active medium through which the Light of Creation is manifested, bringing forth existence and life through the command: "Let there be Light") | Boundless (The Unknowable, God, or the Monad is the absolute perfect essence and oneness underlying all Creation, infinitely transcending existence and the pre-creational darkness, Pralaya. Silently observing Creation from a state where time is no time and space is no space, God exists as one with the Overvoid or the Void beyond all Voids, in which all duality and identity dissolve into unity. In this state, all of Creation is a thought drifting within the pure consciousness of God, and all of existence derives from His will, within a room contracted from Himself to house Creation. Though perceived differently across the different belief systems, all converge on a God Beyond Gods, without beginning or end, the ultimate source of all existence)
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Yes.
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Someone should fix The Spectre key of 1C and replace it with High 1A or higher
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Done.
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Complex Multiverse level (By breaking the constraint of individual identity, the Spectre accessed his true nature, a spirit merged with the Logoz. He merged with the Void beyond Voids and is directly connected to the Oversoul itself)
This should scale to High Outerversal
The Spectre
This should scale to High Outerversal
The Spectre
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Maybe in this thread I can help with DC profiles.
Minor Edit for DC Comic profiles
Hello Everyone This CRT is only for issues related to DC pages I intend to do two things: All characters who are placed at Tier 1-A, or even higher than this tier, Any speed they currently have will remain unchanged, and an additional Immeasurable Speed will only be add for Key 1-A This is...
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Yes, though the profile is locked.
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I have changed the footnote in The Presence's profile:
Although the Source, the Presence, and the Overvoid have sometimes been depicted as the Light of Creation, this does not reflect their full nature. Ram V's The New Gods (2025) #1 frames the Source as the Light, emerging from a self-referential void as the first knowable expression of existence, opposed to the Great Darkness. The New Gods (2025) #12 clarifies that the Source in its purest form is a pre-creational white emptiness beyond both the Light and the Great Darkness. Grant Morrison confirmed on Reddit that equating the Overvoid with the Light is a misunderstanding. Thus, the true form of the Source, Presence, and Overvoid can be understood as the absolute God, the Light of Creation is their actualized expression, and the Voice is the active medium through which the Light manifests, bringing existence and life with the command “Let there be Light!” Together, these distinctions clarify the unified essence of the three entities, explaining the Tier 0 ranking related to their God key on their respective profiles.
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Yeah.
They transcends duality.
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Yup.
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Now that the work on this CRT is finished, could you check this one as well? Your opinion is valuable to me
Minor Edit for DC Comic profiles
Hello Everyone This CRT is only for issues related to DC pages I intend to do two things: All characters who are placed at Tier 1-A, or even higher than this tier, Any speed they currently have will remain unchanged, and an additional Immeasurable Speed will only be add for Key 1-A This is...
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Bruh don't forget to add crt link while making revisions.
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Yeah. My bad.
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The Presence, The Hands, Pralaya, The Great Darkness are done. I would like to add the new footnote on the profiles of The Source and The Overvoid since i currently have the time to add them.All of Elizio's revisions here seem fine.
Which pages should we unlock for him?
Edit: The Spectre profile needs to be unlocked so i can adjust the Low 1-C tier to High 1-A.
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Thank you.
I have unlocked that page for you.
The Spectre
The Spectre, in the time before time began, was a rebellious angel named Raguel who was seduced to Lucifer's side against the Presence, becoming the demon Aztar. When he repented his sins, begging the Presence for punishment and mercy, he was stripped of his identity, forgetting all he was and...
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Done.Thank you.
I have unlocked that page for you.
The Spectre
The Spectre, in the time before time began, was a rebellious angel named Raguel who was seduced to Lucifer's side against the Presence, becoming the demon Aztar. When he repented his sins, begging the Presence for punishment and mercy, he was stripped of his identity, forgetting all he was and...
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Does the profile “The Void” not change?!
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Does the profile “The Void” not change?!
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DC's profiles always need significant revisions, but the most obvious is for the speed category; we could automatically add Immeasurable Speed to every profile, at least for 1-A and above, without needing any revisions. Moreover, The Spectre's speed capabilities are quite poorly categorized.
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I raised this issue in this CRT, and I hope it receives attention
Minor Edit for DC Comic profiles
Hello Everyone This CRT is only for issues related to DC pages I intend to do two things: All characters who are placed at Tier 1-A, or even higher than this tier, Any speed they currently have will remain unchanged, and an additional Immeasurable Speed will only be add for Key 1-A This is...
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The Presence, The Spectre, The Great Darkness, Pralaya (DC Comics), The Hands (DC Comics)
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Whenever the editing of The Void profile is finished, this CRT will be concludedI handled it.
Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?
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There’s no need, because the The Void profile isn’t lockedDo you need me to unlock it for you? If so, can somebody link to it here please?
The Void (Vertigo)
The Void is a timeless realm outside Creation where different Creations with different Creator exist. It’s infinite and eternal teeming with life that's are described as heartbeats in its endless nothingness. The Void proliferates with different versions of Creation as well as different...
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@Elizio33There’s no need, because the The Void profile isn’t locked
The Void (Vertigo)
The Void is a timeless realm outside Creation where different Creations with different Creator exist. It’s infinite and eternal teeming with life that's are described as heartbeats in its endless nothingness. The Void proliferates with different versions of Creation as well as different...
