[ACCEPTED] Descender Physiology Page Creation, and Gave It to the Four Shades As Well.

[MSahla]

Folks..... It's me again...

So.. Uhh.. Today's agenda is:

I just made Descenders Physiology Page just this morning, because i feel like without a page it would be too long.

Besides giving this physiology to the Descenders, i also wanted to gave it to the Four Shining Shades of the Heavenly Principles.

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Four Shades Introduction

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This should be pretty simple, but let's introduce the Four Shades first for those who don't know (especially the mods)

In the lore, we have the Heavenly Principles, or the Primordial One whose the First Descender.

Canon: Day and night, we fulfilled our duty in the heavens... until the day that the first Descender arrived...
Aria: The "great ruler of the firmament."
Columbina: ...The Heavenly Principles.

The Heavenly Principles creates its own Shades/Projections/Emanations, which is the Four Shades that we know today: Ruler of Time Istaroth, Ruler of Space Asmoday, Ruler of Life Naberius, and Ruler of Death Ronova.

"When the Doves Held Branches"
When the eternal throne of the heavens came, the world was made anew. Then the true lord, the Primordial One, came forth and did battle against the seven terrifying sovereigns, dragon-lords of the old world. The Primordial One created shining shades of itself, and the number of these shades was four.

Ronova says this in the Gods' Limits trailer.

If we translate this, more or less it would be like this:

我们是影子
"We are shadows"
是天理自身的投射
"The projections of the Heavenly Principles themselves."

So, from here, we can confirm that the Four Shades are the projections/avatars of the Heavenly Principles themselves.

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Now that's the intro for them.

What i'm about to say or propose is that, the Four Shades should get Descenders Physiology. The Four Shades are essentially the Heavenly Principles itself whose the first Descender, because again they are the projections or avatars of themselves. The only differences is that each of them wield and embodying different Aspects and Authorities.

The Four Shades as the projections of the Heavenly Principles should have Descender properties. This is supported by the fact that they transcends their own boundaries that they established in the world (i.e Life, Death, Time, and Space.)

And as we all know, the Heavenly Principles are the one who created the Concept of Fate (i.e Stella Fortuna/Constellations/Musica Mundana/Fortuna).

Spoiler

世音律即是本源的音律。一切音律因之而起,因之而终。虚假与真实的星象(即内与外、下与上的星象,优恩尼娅会向你们详述这部分内容), 季节与时岁的往复,被划定的元素,宇宙中的一切都遵循这种音律的秩序运行…

(The universal music is the primordial harmony. All harmonies arise from it and return to it. The false and true constellations (that is, the inner and outer, lower and upper constellations—Eunice will elaborate on this aspect for you), the cycles of seasons and years, the defined elements—everything in the universe operates according to the order of this harmony....)

……这里,你们应当注意普世音律与法图纳之间的关联。后者包含于前者, 前者却不等同于后者。任何规格与法图纳相近的音律,均可被称作普世音律,因为其自身便与一个世界等同………

正如卡西奥多此前向你们讲授过的那样,我们所谈论的「法图纳」与至尊并无………后者以前者为名,前者实为主宰万物普遍现象的「规则」,即是奴仆口中的「命运」………

(Here, you should note the connection between universal music and Fortuna. The latter is contained within the former, but the former is not identical to the latter. Any musical scale similar to Fortuna can be called universal music, because it is itself equivalent to a world…

As Cassiodor previously taught you, the “Fortuna” we speak of is not the same as the Supreme One… The latter takes its name from the former; the former is actually the “rules” that governs all universal phenomena, which is what the servants call “fate”…)

Now, It doesn't make sense if the Four Shades are bound to this fate system, as they are part of the First Descender themselves, which is the one who created the system/concept of Fate, and they have transcended their own boundaries. I mean... an Avatars of a Descender doesn't have Descender properties? Cmon bro..

So yeah, the Four Shades should have Descenders Physiology, which have these P&A in this Descender Physiology page i made.

So, heres the ones who will get Descender Physiology:

• Dragon King Nibelung, a.k.a The Second Descender
• The Traveler, a.k.a The Fourth Descender
• The Four Shining Shades, the Projections/Avatars of the First Descender themselves.

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Votes​

Agree: Nierre, KingTempest
AsterReal, Furina003, Apex_Predator_GX, PedjaTarzan, Puppet43 (except Purification, Absorption & Primordial Sea), Calvz

Neutral:

Disagree:

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Song that i've been listening lately.​

 

[AsterReal]

If you apply this to the Four Shades, you would have to apply the missing skills to the traveler. Since I see no reason to argue against it, I suppose I agree.

 

[MSahla]

If you apply this to the Four Shades, you would have to apply the missing skills to the traveler. Since I see no reason to argue against it, I suppose I agree.

Yes, i've been thinking about that

 

[Furina003]

I agree with everything

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Puppet43]

• I dont think we should add Primordial Sea, yeah Shades (Naberius) did use it once, but not all Descender had shown to be able to do it (Traveler nor 3rd Descender, Nibelung is a special case)
• U know my point for Biological
• Purification and Absorption is a Traveler only ability so far, so heavy disagree with that
• U could add Resistance to Plot Manip/Fate Manip

 

[MSahla]

• I dont think we should add Primordial Sea, yeah Shades (Naberius) did use it once, but not all Descender had shown to be able to do it (Traveler nor 3rd Descender, Nibelung is a special case)

Bro forgot the Heavenly Principles who basically can do all things.

But no. Descenders should be capable of manipulate all types of elemental energy, be it also the primordial energy. Theres nothing that prevent them doing so.

• Purification and Absorption is a Traveler only ability so far, so heavy disagree with that

The Traveler doing that without any elemental powers, but pure his capability as a descender that can absorb an Abyssal energy.

• U could add Resistance to Plot Manip/Fate Manip

That would only for Heavenly Principles, and not other Descenders. Not even Traveler whose a Descender can resist Istaroth's Plot Manipulation, or even Istaroth's rules (i.e Concept of Time).

Spoiler

Suddenly, you feel that the concept of time is somewhat blurred. It rushes forward, yet it has passed through times like a race against time; it is both tranquil and turbulent.

You inappropriately recall Dottore's words: "This division of the four has anchor the world and constrained humanity."

The rules that even villain understand are now testing you.

And of course we shouldn't forget that Asmoday's power still sealed the Traveler's power, and he can't get out of that. Even Columbina as a Trilune Goddess only removed SOME of it, not all.

If you remember 5.7 Archon Quest, The Traveler and the Sibling still under the scenario that Istaroth made for them.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

That would only for Heavenly Principles, and not other Descenders. Not even Traveler whose a Descender can resist Istaroth's Plot Manipulation, or even Istaroth's rules (i.e Concept of Time). And of course we shouldn't forget that Asmoday's power still sealed the Traveler's power, and he can't get out of that. Even Columbina as a Trilune Goddess only removed SOME of it, not all.

If you remember 5.7 Archon Quest, The Traveler and the Sibling still under the scenario that Istaroth made for them.

this scan doesnt work for me.

 

[MSahla]

this scan doesnt work for me.

Fixed

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Fixed

well, i will say that the concept here doesnt actually refer to actual concept of time, but this doesnt change anything much, so i still agree with proposal anyway.

 

[MSahla]

well, i will say that the concept here doesnt actually refer to actual concept of time,

Why wouldn't it be? The Concept of Time is what she govern and her rules. Which is why there was no concept of time in Teyvat before the Heavenly Principles came.

 

[MSahla]

• U know my point for Biological

About that, heres the answer

 

[Puppet43]

Bro forgot the Heavenly Principles who basically can do all things.

U answer urself on that one
For an ability to be consider part of the descender physiology it needs to had been shown by a majority of the cast in this case 3 characters at least
Nibelung has it because upscale Hydro Sovereing
Phanes has it because upscale Naberius

The Traveler doing that without any elemental powers, but pure his capability as a descender that can absorb an Abyssal energy.

That just means Traveler's og power was purification, has nothing to do about his statues as a descender. He had that abilitiy regardless of the statues

That would only for Heavenly Principles, and not other Descenders. Not even Traveler whose a Descender can resist Istaroth's Plot Manipulation, or even Istaroth's rules (i.e Concept of Time).

Then it would be Resistance to Fate Manip
They are immune to Irminsul changes and their history isn't graved in the constellations of Teyvat

 

[MSahla]

U answer urself on that one
For an ability to be consider part of the descender physiology it needs to had been shown by a majority of the cast in this case 3 characters at least
Nibelung has it because upscale Hydro Sovereing
Phanes has it because upscale Naberius

You literally mentioned 2 of the others that capable of doing so, that's already the majority. Only Saarelainen that we don't know because he's basically ded and got chopped by Heavenly Principles.

That just means Traveler's og power was purification, has nothing to do about his statues as a descender. He had that abilitiy regardless of the statues

Still, tho? All Descenders have the same properties.

Then it would be Resistance to Fate Manip
They are immune to Irminsul changes and their history isn't graved in the constellations of Teyvat

Theres literally Acausality Type 4 in there.

 

[Calvz]

I agree, although wouldn't the shades will have descender properties on a weaker capacity since they're avatars/projections of the HP?

 

[MSahla]

I agree, although wouldn't the shades will have descender properties on a weaker capacity since they're avatars/projections of the HP?

Hmm.. Theres not really who has weaker properties than the others, what do you mean by weaker capacity, anyways?

 

[Nierre]

this looks okay at a glance

 

[Puppet43]

Only Saarelainen that we don't know

U forgot Traveler...

All Descenders have the same properties.

YEAH BUT IF EI CAN CUT TROUGHT SPACE UR NOT GONNA GIVE SPATIAL MANIPULATION TO EVERY ELECTRO CHARACTER RIGHT? (False analogy btw)

Theres literally Acausality Type 4 in there.

Acausality and Fate Resistence is the same thing in this verse

 

[Calvz]

Hmm.. Theres not really who has weaker properties than the others,

Well they are not outright descenders (likely psuedo/partial-descenders) themselves, and being avatars of the HP would not give them equal properties of their own creator. In hsr for example; Emanators are basically the emissaries of the specific path they follow but do not equal their Aeons they follow, despite sharing the same conceptual authority.

what do you mean by weaker capacity, anyways?

Also dw about "capacity" stuff, it's supposed to say "scale" there.

 

[MSahla]

Well they are not outright descenders (likely psuedo/partial-descenders) themselves, and being avatars of the HP would not give them equal properties of their own creator. In hsr for example; Emanators are basically the emissaries of the specific path they follow but do not equal their Aeons they follow, despite sharing the same conceptual authority.

I see what you mean.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

U forgot Traveler...

YEAH BUT IF EI CAN CUT TROUGHT SPACE UR NOT GONNA GIVE SPATIAL MANIPULATION TO EVERY ELECTRO CHARACTER RIGHT? (False analogy btw)

yes my goat iansan shall have all EI haxxes as well as scale above her

Acausality and Fate Resistence is the same thing in this verse

dont know what you mean here, since to describe Aca 4 we need to list what they resist with that Acausality which in this case would be Fate

 

[Duedate8898]

I will ask since part of what's in here relies on translating text, has the translations been verified by our translation members here on the wiki?

 

[MSahla]

I will ask since part of what's in here relies on translating text, has the translations been verified by our translation members here on the wiki?

No, but if you want me to ask Translation Helper then i'll do it.

 

[Duedate8898]

As I understand, we should always get our translations verified before trying to apply their contents to CRTs and pages. I will be sure to read through everything else in the meantime and see if this fine even without translations

 

[Puppet43]

Acausality which in this case would be Fate

Acausality and Fate Resistence is the same thing in this verse

Do u even read what u writte?

 

[MSahla]

Bump.

Even though the translation helper didn't answer my request yet, but at least i want the mods to evaluate the thing first.

Man, this should be a pretty simple crt and shouldn't be that long

 

[KingTempest]

Looks solid to me

 

[MSahla]

As I understand, we should always get our translations verified before trying to apply their contents to CRTs and pages. I will be sure to read through everything else in the meantime and see if this fine even without translations

Here you go sir.

 

[MSahla]

As I understand, we should always get our translations verified before trying to apply their contents to CRTs and pages. I will be sure to read through everything else in the meantime and see if this fine even without translations

Here you go sir.

Well sir @Duedate8898, do you still want to give your input here? I already verified the translations from Translation Request Thread so it should be fine now. This thread already got 2 approvals so it should be alright to apply it, i just need to wait 24 hours from the last approval.