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SM Universe Revision

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It would be notable enough to add to the blog, even if not technically having a particular tiering, and can be used on Versus Threads specifically.
I guess that makes sense though it wouldn't hurt to extra note that "infinitely expanding ≠ infinitely expansive" since expansive directly means how big/wide an area is.

This may look redundant but both words are very similar to each other despite having different meanings. An infinitely expansive universe is directly infinite but an infinitely expanding one is finite sized yet is constantly stretching bigger (similar to how dark energy accelerates the expansion of universe constantly).

On another note, do you agree with OP or opposition about the graveyard size?
 
It would be notable enough to add to the blog, even if not technically having a particular tiering, and can be used on Versus Threads specifically.
Even then, there's still the issue of the graveyard being physically within the small (by universal standards) center of the galaxy, which arguably makes its size too unremarkable, but I'll wait for supporters to respond to that.
 
"Which is like a pocket dimension"

I would prefer to see strong evidence that it's a separate dimension (rather than just an assumption with no statements to back it in the scans provided) after considering how your proposal results in infinitely large galaxy, and also considering how Sagittarius Alpha Star is a reference to Sagittarius A, a well-known astronomical body that's just a black hole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. The scans explicitly show that the center of the galaxy where the graveyard is within is a finite region of light.

Well, they enter it through a door. The inside the door is different from the outside of the door.

Also, your objection doesn't work for Sailor Moon. There's a sized dimension with its own star inside the planet earth, Elysium. The argument that the galaxy cannot have a infinitely large center because galaxies aren't infinite isn't applicable to Sailor Moon, as we've seen bigger on the inside situations already.

First off, "cosmos" under a basic generous interpretation should only encompass the entire universe, so I have no clue where "it would include the alternate universes" came from.

And secondly, we once again run into the issue of Sailor Moon english translations being unreliable.
  • "This is the final destination, where fragments of dead stars and planets come to rest after drifting across the cosmos."
The raw text does not contain the "across the cosmos" part, which is consistent with the translation I received from a Japanese speaker.

It includes alternate universes, because the star seeds of alternate universes come from the galaxy cauldron and return to it. This is the area that processes death for the entire cosmology.


Also, enough with this one to one literal translation business. Japanese is a highly contextual language. The story would make no sense if you translate word to word and leave it at that.


The translation is official and approved and authorized by everyone with creative control of the manga. The translators are not translating in a vacuum like your online translators translating a cropped paged. They know the story, and all the elements that come with it. They're also relying on the context of the scene and overall story. And can ask questions to editors and creatives for clarification. I hold more stock in their translation.

I understand if your argument was this English text contradicts what is being said in the overall story, but it doesn't. There are no other graveyards.

Same like with your pocket dimension argument, it relies on ignoring the art, context, and over arching story.


Even granting this argument the most leeway possible, this would just mean that the graveyard is infinitely-expanding, which to my knowledge, we don't grant a quantifiable tier to, for values involving universe size on this wiki.

No one is trying to tier the graveyard. We are mentioning the implications of it. A never ending graveyard is filled with never ending dead stars. A finite cosmology cannot support a never ending amount of stars.

The term used was 無数 (Musu), which isn't the same as 無限 (Mugen). According to this dictionary blog, the latter indicates direct infinity while the former indicates a value to large for someone to count (countless/innumerable). The answers from this Q&A post also indicate that Mugen is literal infinity, while Musu is a very casual term used to describe a large, often finite value. I don't doubt that there are cases where it can indicate literal infinity (same with countless/innumerable in English), but that's clearly not the default assumption.

I said the scans said there are countless and innumerable amount of graves. I didn't say the scans said there are infinite number of graves.

Also, point me to the CRT where Sailor Moon Crystal was accepted as canon on this wiki.

The same one that accepted the cosmology blog. Its' not a primary cannon but we can use it to supplement when it doesn't contradict the primary. Especially with how artistic the manga pages are.
 
Also, your objection doesn't work for Sailor Moon. There's a sized dimension with its own star inside the planet earth, Elysium.
I don't see stars in these scans. Unless you think though white bubbles are stars, which aren't


Also, enough with this one to one literal translation business. Japanese is a highly contextual language. The story would make no sense if you translate word to word and leave it at that.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...unication_Practices_through_Social_Pragmatics
Why did you link a japanese culture website here? Like, it have nothing to do with this topic


The translators are not translating in a vacuum like your online translators translating a cropped paged. They know the story, and all the elements that come with it. They're also relying on the context of the scene and overall story. And can ask questions to editors and creatives for clarification. I hold more stock in their translation
No, this is completely wrong, translator job isn't adding context, their jobs are simply to delivering the story to the audience with their translation.

Just bcause Japanese is contextual, you can't automatically assume there was hidden magic context, and then slap both the translation with the japanese raw to create some nonexistent, fanfiction context despite both translation and the raw are being drastically different; as the official translation can simply being a mistranslation.

Author approval is mostly irrelevant because author don't care much about texts, they only care as long as the translation can deliver the story. Even in case we being lelient and accept the official translation, if it is drastically different compare to the japanese raw text, then the official translation will be its own continuity due to creating a complete different story, you can't slap both different versions into one, composited them and assume "there are contexts"
 
I don't see stars in these scans. Unless you think though white bubbles are stars, which aren't
i believe there are stars in the scan in the 3rd image its just very small compared to the entire page
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I don't see stars in these scans. Unless you think though white bubbles are stars, which aren't

The star is the sun.

No, this is completely wrong, translator job isn't adding context, their jobs are simply to delivering the story to the audience with their translation.

Just bcause Japanese is contextual, you can't automatically assume there was hidden magic context, and then slap both the translation with the japanese raw to create some nonexistent, fanfiction context despite both translation and the raw are being drastically different; as the official translation can simply being a mistranslation.

Author approval is mostly irrelevant because author don't care much about texts, they only care as long as the translation can deliver the story. Even in case we being lelient and accept the official translation, if it is drastically different compare to the japanese raw text, then the official translation will be its own continuity due to creating a complete different story, you can't slap both different versions into one, composited them and assume "there are contexts"

Are you serious? Which part of what I said is wrong?

Do you think the translators don't know the story they're translating? Do you think they don't read what they're translating? They aren't aware of the words that came before and are coming next? That they don't read the story fully before they translate the words?

Do you think that they don't ask questions about the context and the scene? That their translations don't get checked and double checked for errors and inconsistencies?

And i love how you ignored how I proved the translation was still accurate. Enough with this nagging.
 
i believe there are stars in the scan in the 3rd image its just very small compared to the entire page
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Stars in Mamoru head, Large Size Mamoru when. I doubt those are stars, cause there is only a large black spot surrounded by white background and the white spots only in the black spot which is very strange for a literal starry sky
 
Stars in Mamoru head, Large Size Mamoru when. I doubt those are stars, cause there is only a large black spot surrounded by white background and the white spots only in the black spot which is very strange for a literal starry sky
That's how Naoko does her stars in all her manga for all stary skies. She peppers the page with textures.
 
Stars in Mamoru head, Large Size Mamoru when. I doubt those are stars, cause there is only a large black spot surrounded by white background and the white spots only in the black spot which is very strange for a literal starry sky
Considering Iam’s response im inclined yo agree with you. The only star in the scans is the sun so star level pocket dimension
 
The star is the sun.
Actually after looking over it again… where is the sun in the scan? I only see the earth and moon. Could you explain whats going on in the scene (with scans) because most of the sky is light which makes me question if thats a starry sky
 
Actually after looking over it again… where is the sun in the scan? I only see the earth and moon. Could you explain whats going on in the scene (with scans) because most of the sky is light which makes me question if thats a starry sky
There is a moon?
 
Actually after looking over it again… where is the sun in the scan? I only see the earth and moon. Could you explain whats going on in the scene (with scans) because most of the sky is light which makes me question if thats a starry sky



Here. That's a shining day. It comes right after the eternal solar eclipse was over.

Here's something more blatant. We can see the solar eclipse ending in Elysium.



The first planel is what's happening on earth. The second one, shows that Neptune is checking on earth via her mirror, so we see the scene through there. The third panel, is in Elysium, and we see Neptune looking up and seeing the eclipse in Elysium end as well.

But the point is, before this derails. Is that in Sailor Moon, we have examples of there being bigger spaces inside smaller spaces.
 
unless this doesnt count as one
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That is the Earth and the moon, not the Elysium inside


Here. That's a shining day. It comes right after the eternal solar eclipse was over.

Here's something more blatant. We can see the solar eclipse ending in Elysium.



The first planel is what's happening on earth. The second one, shows that Neptune is checking on earth via her mirror, so we see the scene through there. The third panel, is in Elysium, and we see Neptune looking up and seeing the eclipse in Elysium end as well.

But the point is, before this derails. Is that in Sailor Moon, we have examples of there being bigger spaces inside smaller spaces.

That is the solar esclipse on Earth, not the solar esclipse inside Elysium. It is literally say the surface going back to normal, the surface is literally Earth surface
 
That is the solar esclipse on Earth, not the solar esclipse inside Elysium. It is literally say the surface going back to normal, the surface is literally Earth surface
Did you read what I said?

The first panel is what's happening on earth. The second one, shows that Neptune is checking on earth via her mirror, so we see the scene through there. The third panel, is in Elysium, and we see Neptune looking up and seeing the eclipse in Elysium end as well.
 
Did you read what I said?

The first panel is what's happening on earth. The second one, shows that Neptune is checking on earth via her mirror, so we see the scene through there. The third panel, is in Elysium, and we see Neptune looking up and seeing the eclipse in Elysium end as well.
?. All of them show the same solar esclipse scene. Both Elysium and Earth surface see the same sky, the same moon and sun rather than Elysium have its own "outer space with moon and sun", the solar esclipse in all panels are matching and identical
 
And did you read your own scan?. All of them show the same solar esclipse scene. Both Elysium and Earth surface see the same sky, the same moon and sun rather than Elysium have its own "outer space with moon and sun".), the solar esclipse in all panels are matching and identical

If Elysium and earth both have the same sky then why would Neptune need to check to see if the solar eclipse of earth is over?

Also I noticed how you went from: That's not the eclipse happening in Elysium to now: Elysium and Earth have the same sky.
 
If Elysium and earth both have the same sky then why would Neptune need to check to see if the solar eclipse of earth is over?
She need to check the Earth surface situation which of course the sky gonna be included in the visual, and no, i don't even remember Neptune mirror have ability to see into different dimension, it only allow her to see far away place
 
She need to check the Earth surface situation which of course the sky gonna be included in the visual, and no, i don't even remember Neptune mirror have ability to see into different dimension, it only allow her to see far away place
This is so arbitrary. Why would Neptune's mirror not allow her to see into different dimensions? When was that said to be a limitation? You're just grasping at straws.

Nehellenia already conquered Elysium before she conquered earth. Elysium was already in an eternal eclipse while the earth wasn't. If they had the same sky, why wasn't earth already in an eclipse?



 
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We see it from two different perspectives, one from Earth and one from Elysium so I don't know how it could possibly be the same sky that you're claiming.
 
We see it from two different perspectives, one from Earth and one from Elysium so I don't know how it could possibly be the same sky that you're claiming.
Oh no, fam! Neptune was just checking on the people, not the sky, that's why both scans literally have the sky centered in frame and we can barely see the people or the buildings.
 
This is so arbitrary. Why would Neptune's mirror not allow her to see into different dimensions? When was that said to be a limitation? You're just grasping at straws.
What?, this is just a NLF argument, i don't need to assume limitation, but rather you need to prove that Neptune Mirror can see into other literal different dimension. Seriously?, the abscence of evidence isn't an evidence, just because something do not have statement about its limitation doesn't mean i can assume something have no limit.


Nehellenia already conquered Elysium before she conquered earth. Elysium was already in an eternal eclipse while the earth wasn't. If they had the same sky, why wasn't earth already in an eclipse?
I can't see the eternal esclipse from the scan?. Unless you think the mirror being black mean eternal esclipse
 
What?, this is just a NLF argument, i don't need to assume limitation, but rather you need to prove that Neptune Mirror can see into other literal different dimension. Seriously?, the abscence of evidence isn't an evidence, just because something do not have statement about its limitation doesn't mean i can assume something have no limit.



I can't see the eternal esclipse from the scan?. Unless you think the mirror being black mean eternal esclipse
Are you being serious right now?
 
What?, this is just a NLF argument, i don't need to assume limitation, but rather you need to prove that Neptune Mirror can see into other literal different dimension. Seriously?, the abscence of evidence isn't an evidence, just because something do not have statement about its limitation doesn't mean i can assume something have no limit.
There's no NLF, we clearly see Neptune using her mirror to see Earth from Elysium. You need to show proof of Neptune not being able to do this, because what you've been saying and what the manga shows are two different things. Where's the absence of evidence here when we see two different skies and Neptune looking into her mirror? This back and forth is just taking up space if you can't show us proof of Neptune not being able to look with her mirror.
 
Both Elysium and Earth surface see the same sky

We can play the same game too. Show evidence of this because this requires extra ordinary evidence.

1. Elysian is inside the earth. You're claiming that surface is just invisible or there is some giant gaping hole.
2. Pegasus had to use a mirror dimension to travel to earth from Elysium. Why would he have to travel through dimension when he can access the earth through the sky if it was the same sky?
3. The cast had to teleport to Elysium from earth, instead of just flying there.
4. Earth is called the surface. Explain how Elysium is both under earth's surface and has the same open sky?
5. Queen Nehellenia's entire motif is solar eclipses and takes over a world by casting a solar eclipse which is actually her dark dimension from which she invades from. She took over Elysium and turned into a wasteland before invading earth which had a regular sky until her full blown . Your claim would require Elysium to have a normal sky when it's shown to be shrouded in darkness. Helios mentioned Nehellenia took over Elysium long before Nehellenia started taking over earth and started her eternal eclipse there.

At this point you're stonewalling and derailing the thread with something way off topic. You're a mod.
 
Actually since the universe isnt infinite wouldnt those other places yall were arguing abt not be infinite? Should that just be a seperate crt cause i dont think it was concluded
 
Technically infinite or technically finite?
If an infinite place is contained within a finite place, then the finite place is not truly finite. The point is that "endless," "uncountable," and "innumerable" (only the last two terms) are not proof of infinity. Only the first term is, and it depends on the context (it is considered to represent "infinity" unless proven otherwise).
 
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