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Permission for this post was granted by @Emirp sumitpo , and thank you to @M3X_2.0 for helping me write this up.
There are three things certain in JoJo scaling: 8-B denial, begging for Class G, and persistent MFTL downgrade attempts. Hopefully after this thread however, one of these constants may be rectified.
For nearly 10 years, we’ve seen roughly half a dozen separate threads attempting to downgrade the speed of MFTL characters. More than a decade later, none of those downgrade attempts have succeeded. While some of these are not fully rejected CRT's (some just died due to communal rejection), and some are questions where discussion and denial of the topic occurred, they are all valuable in representing how often this topic has been brough up and denied.
There has also been a recurring pattern of questionable interpretative standards being applied specifically to this verse. For example, a clear laser-dodging feat is dismissed as “aim-dodging,” despite the panels showing the character (Kars) still stationary while the beam is already visibly in front of him. That interpretation directly contradicts what is being depicted. If a character has not yet moved and the beam is already present in the frame in front of them, calling it aim-dodging requires ignoring the visual sequence entirely.
This is not about shielding a verse from criticism. It’s about maintaining consistency and preventing cyclical debates that reintroduce the same misunderstandings every few years. If a downgrade argument is going to be made, it needs to address the established explanations directly, not repackage previously debunked claims. As such, I among other have deemed it more than fitting that a discussion be made on this topic, which I have proposed bellow.
Agree: @Emirp sumitpo, @Planck69, @Dalesean027, @KingTempest, @Random-Helper323, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Damage3245, @Theglassman12, @KLOL506, @LephyrTheRevanchist
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There are three things certain in JoJo scaling: 8-B denial, begging for Class G, and persistent MFTL downgrade attempts. Hopefully after this thread however, one of these constants may be rectified.
For nearly 10 years, we’ve seen roughly half a dozen separate threads attempting to downgrade the speed of MFTL characters. More than a decade later, none of those downgrade attempts have succeeded. While some of these are not fully rejected CRT's (some just died due to communal rejection), and some are questions where discussion and denial of the topic occurred, they are all valuable in representing how often this topic has been brough up and denied.
- Case 1 - Jojo Speed Revision (May 16th, 2016)
- Case 2 - About FTL scaling in jojo (Jun 28th, 2019)
- Case 3 - Jojo Slight Speed Downgrade (Or Question) (Jan 27th, 2020)
- Case 4 - Let's slow down a little (JJBA speed downgrade) (Oct 30th, 2020)
- Case 5 - JoJo speed downgrade (Nov 8th, 2022)
- Case 6 - [JJBA] Yo, JoJos is NOT MFTL man
(Feb 11th, 2026)
There has also been a recurring pattern of questionable interpretative standards being applied specifically to this verse. For example, a clear laser-dodging feat is dismissed as “aim-dodging,” despite the panels showing the character (Kars) still stationary while the beam is already visibly in front of him. That interpretation directly contradicts what is being depicted. If a character has not yet moved and the beam is already present in the frame in front of them, calling it aim-dodging requires ignoring the visual sequence entirely.
This is not about shielding a verse from criticism. It’s about maintaining consistency and preventing cyclical debates that reintroduce the same misunderstandings every few years. If a downgrade argument is going to be made, it needs to address the established explanations directly, not repackage previously debunked claims. As such, I among other have deemed it more than fitting that a discussion be made on this topic, which I have proposed bellow.
- Do not attempt to holistically remove the existence of faster than light scaling from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure based on any perceived inconsistency or outliers with other feats within the verse. Multiple threads have been put forward over several years regarding this topic, and have been repeatedly rejected. The series possesses multiple, consistent faster than light feats and statements for multiple characters and stand abilities.
- Do not attempt to remove or downgrade Polnareff's Stand Silver Chariot's second slicing of Hanged Man below Massively Faster than Light. This includes but is not limited to, arguing Polnareff's individual inability to track Hanged Man, arguing for anti-feats based on Silver Chariot's other showings, or arguing against Stand autonomy and User-to-Stand control. As covered in numerous discussion threads, Silver Chariot's Stand speed surpasses Polnareff's reactions - which is consistent with other Stand users across the series - and is blatantly able to blitz Hanged Man. This is also confirmed by the JoJo 6251 Databook which states that Silver Chariot is easily able to tag Speed of Light enemies, and supported by several accepted calculations.
Agree: @Emirp sumitpo, @Planck69, @Dalesean027, @KingTempest, @Random-Helper323, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Damage3245, @Theglassman12, @KLOL506, @LephyrTheRevanchist
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