Muzan Kibutsuji vs Ryomen Sukuna [9-24-0]

[Anonymous_Learner]

Can someone explain what it does?

Does it allow him to dodge, as in move out of the way of attacks that fast or simply acknowledge they exist faster so as to not get perception blitzed?

What does it do, because it matters here.

Reaction speed allows Sukuna to Dodge, speak, pop domain, ect.
If it was just perception, it'd allow him to perceive things fast but not actually move or act that fast

 

[Robo432343]

the "this was already argued last time!" argument is kinda lame ngl
the only person genuinely debating for sukuna in that thread was that monarch guy while he was getting jumped by multiple ds dudes and the main jjk ppl weren't even there
can you like actually discuss the match

 

[Buraqibear]

Sukuna summons Mahoraga and hides in the shadows. Easy win. Anyway this matchup should be closed fra

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Reaction speed allows Sukuna to Dodge, speak, pop domain, ect.
If it was just perception, it'd allow him to perceive things fast but not actually move or act that fast

So basically Sukuna can chant attacks 15k faster and never get hit.

This is a stomp then?

 

[Catbowtie]

Reaction speed allows Sukuna to Dodge, speak, pop domain, ect.

And I am saying this does not change anything about the arguments Sukuna has. If anything, it only supplements them, but doesn’t majorly change anything Sukuna wasn’t already doing.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

the "this was already argued last time!" argument is kinda lame ngl
the only person genuinely debating for sukuna in that thread was that monarch guy while he was getting jumped by multiple ds dudes and the main jjk ppl weren't even there
can you like actually discuss the match

DS will always argue things other than the topic.
We got people arguing demon Slayer scaling in an MHA gen thread, we're getting nowhere

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

DS Supporters now that they gotta deal with Invul Maho

What are you on about. The first Muzan Vs Sukuna fight was literally argued under the assumption that Muzan cant harm the ten shadows and Mahoraga in any way. Hell, BOTH Muzan Vs Sukuna fights were removed on profiles for being a stomp against Sukuna. Nothing changed.

 

[Machmatej]

No, you wank Kokushibo because you admitted to it yourself. I’m not even talking about the Mori match but if you want to bring that up, saying Kokushibo is anywhere near Mori in terms of skill and then arguing your own character into being defeated is insane work.

is this an imaginary argument or smth? wank doesn't equal glaze, and i didn't even know who tf mori is. you're deadass arguing with yourself here. get a grip bro

 

[Machmatej]

DS will always argue things other than the topic.
We got people arguing demon Slayer scaling in an MHA gen thread, we're getting nowhere

i mean, the topic there was how demon regen worked because someone wanted to make an overhaul vs muzan match. i don't think that's too far from the topic.

 

[Robo432343]

This is a stomp then?

well apparently its a win for muzan because, "these same arguments were made for sukuna last time and muzan still won!!!"

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

What are you on about. The first Muzan Vs Sukuna fight was literally argued under the assumption that Muzan cant harm the ten shadows and Mahoraga in any way. Hell, BOTH Muzan Vs Sukuna fights were removed on profiles for being a stomp against Sukuna. Nothing changed.

Not my fault that Shikigami invul never existed till now and ya'll acted and argued like it did

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Not my fault that it was Shikigami invul never existed till now and you acted like it did

Gun to the head considering you weren't even in the original matchups. What was Muzan's counter argument against the Ten Shadows and who is the one that argued it.

 

[Machmatej]

well apparently its a win for muzan because, "these same arguments were made for sukuna last time and muzan still won!!!"

there could be a real argument made if speed was unequalized, or equalized to all speed forms like myriad suggested. ignore catbowtie's ramblings

 

[Catbowtie]

So basically Sukuna can chant attacks 15k faster and never get hit.

This is a stomp then?

It’s not that Sukuna can never get hit. Muzan can still hit Sukuna with his tendrils. Reaction speed does not make someone untouchable, it means they can preform a short action really fast, with continued actions being their combat speed.

the "this was already argued last time!" argument is kinda lame ngl
the only person genuinely debating for sukuna in that thread was that monarch guy while he was getting jumped by multiple ds dudes and the main jjk ppl weren't even there
can you like actually discuss the match

well apparently its a win for muzan because, "these same arguments were made for sukuna last time and muzan still won!!!"

Oh my god broooo

You do understand the implications of saying “we should ignore arguments that have already been made in the past about the same topics and argue again with the same arguments”?

ATP you might as well keep rematching the same characters over and over again until you get a favorable result.

Can we get a Thread Moderator in here so they can declare a judgement on if this matchup is valid? Arguing with each other is getting nowhere.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

did Sukuna have 15,591 times higher Reaction Speed, 148,654 times higher Attack Speed with World Cutting Slash in those matchups too?

This is literally the versus thread removal request when Sukuna HAD those reaction and attack speeds.

@LaserPrecision also said that those reaction speeds doesn't make him untouchable if he doesn't have the combat speed to back it up.

"Sure, but Rel Reaction speed is only good for one short reaction, not continuous movements. So if he avoided one punch, he ain't avoiding anything else after that if he like flipped into the air" - 1/19/2026 12:58 PM

This is labeled a stomp under the assumption Muzan doesn't have the entire twelve kizuki btw. This is something hes been having for the longest time.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Gun to the head considering you weren't even in the original matchups. What was Muzan's counter argument against the Ten Shadows and who is the one that argued it.

JJK Supports who can't read and refuse to fix profiles

 

[Machmatej]

@LaserPrecision also said that those reaction speeds doesn't make him untouchable if he doesn't have the combat speed to back it up.

"Sure, but Rel Reaction speed is only good for one short reaction, not continuous movements. So if he avoided one punch, he ain't avoiding anything else after that if he like flipped into the air" - 1/19/2026 12:58 PM

some get him in here because he's low key the only one i trust to elaborate

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

What’s stopping Sukuna from just hiding in the shadows and letting Mahoraga do his thing

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What’s stopping Sukuna from just hiding in the shadows and letting Mahoraga do his thing

The ten shadows get Bfr'd out of the Infinity Fortress. Something something he'll only do that to heal, something something Sukuna gets one shotted in the first 30 seconds due to sheer AP and bio blood hax. Something something the Twelve Kizuki jumps Sukuna.

 

[Catbowtie]

is this an imaginary argument or smth? wank doesn't equal glaze, and i didn't even know who tf mori is. you're deadass arguing with yourself here. get a grip bro

What is this gall? YOU admitted to wanking/glaze. YOU admitted to only caring about multiplier because it puts Kokushibo above Gyutaro. YOU admitted to not liking Dan because he was supposedly being annoying about Mori Dan winning against Kokushibo.

This is all you dude. I don’t know why you acting like this never happened and I’m making this up.

 

[Machmatej]

What is this gall? YOU admitted to wanking/glaze. YOU admitted to only caring about multiplier because it puts Kokushibo above Gyutaro. YOU admitted to not liking Dan because he was supposedly being annoying about Mori Dan winning against Kokushibo.

This is all you dude. I don’t know why you acting like this never happened and I’m making this up.

this has to be the most one-sided beef i have ever seen in my life

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What is this gall? YOU admitted to wanking/glaze. YOU admitted to only caring about multiplier because it puts Kokushibo above Gyutaro. YOU admitted to not liking Dan because he was supposedly being annoying about Mori Dan winning against Kokushibo.

This is all you dude. I don’t know why you acting like this never happened and I’m making this up.

Wtf are you both on about. Can yall actually explain why this fight was removed on profiles as a STOMP against SUKUNA on versus thread removals instead.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

What? Dude, everyone there was like “Muzan can’t harm Maho without CE”

It was something already agreed upon and kind of obvious given how things work in JJK but for some reason was never added to the profiles til like 2 weeks back. Why people argue with stuff not on profiles but won't add it to profiles is beyond me but yeah.

Anyways has anything changed since the last time? There's specific rules for remaking a match but if the arguments are new and considering Sukuna's profile has the new reaction and attack speed (assuming it wasn't used in the last thread), this new match can potentially remain up. That's really only if the new speeds/arguments add anything.

some get him in here because he's low key the only one i trust to elaborate

@LaserPrecision if you could come in and elaborate if you have the time

 

[Machmatej]

Wtf are you both on about. Can yall actually explain why this fight was removed on profiles as a STOMP against SUKUNA on versus thread removals instead.

idk. its just cat crashing out over something beyond comprehension

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

(assuming it wasn't used in the last thread),

it wasn't, sukuna's reactions and attack speed have only been used in this matchup

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Anyways has anything changed since the last time? There's specific rules for remaking a match but if the arguments are new and considering Sukuna's profile has the new reaction and attack speed (assuming it wasn't used in the last thread), this new match can potentially remain up. That's really only if the new speeds/arguments add anything.

Both matchups were originally removed as a stomp against Sukuna even with the reactions

Both matchups were also done when Muzan didn't have access to the entire Twelve Kizuki with several of them also capable of one shotting Sukuna and stalling the Ten Shadows

 

[Catbowtie]

this has to be the most one-sided beef i have ever seen in my life

Every time you or someone mentions me, it’s followed after some form of an insult by you. Last time was like 3 days ago. I didn’t even dislike you to begin with, Mach, but when you consistently say that I’m the most useless kny supp, and then when I do something to help the verse, you call it garbage, and then whenever you get the chance, ALSO call me any insult you can think of at the time. Idc if someone random insults or doesn’t like me because it doesn’t matter, but when it comes from a friend? Wtf bro

 

[Machmatej]

Every time you or someone mentions me, it’s followed after some form of an insult by you. Last time was like 3 days ago. I didn’t even dislike you to begin with, Mach, but when you consistently say that I’m the most useless kny supp, and then when I do something to help the verse, you call it garbage, and then whenever you get the chance, ALSO call me any insult you can think of at the time. Idc if someone random insults or doesn’t like me because it doesn’t matter, but when it comes from a friend? Wtf bro

this is a vs matchup on vs battles. if you have a problem with me, then tell me in DMs. stop crashing out in random forum threads. this is the equivalent of a toddler having a temper tantrum in public. you're embarrassing both of us.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Every time you or someone mentions me, it’s followed after some form of an insult by you. Last time was like 3 days ago. I didn’t even dislike you to begin with, Mach, but when you consistently say that I’m the most useless kny supp, and then when I do something to help the verse, you call it garbage, and then whenever you get the chance, ALSO call me any insult you can think of at the time. Idc if someone random insults or doesn’t like me because it doesn’t matter, but when it comes from a friend? Wtf bro

this is a vs matchup on vs battles. if you have a problem with me, then tell me in DMs. stop crashing out in random forum threads. this is the equivalent of a toddler having a temper tantrum in public. you're embarrassing both of us.

I'm going to have to agree with Machmatej, take this to DMs if you two are going to argue in a random vs thread.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

some get him in here because he's low key the only one i trust to elaborate

Its accepted that Gojo and Sukuna have Hypersonic Combat speed. Do you see either one of them statuing each other's attacks with their 15,591 times higher Reaction Speed against their Hypersonic combat speed or do you see them dodging and fighting for their lives? If you are capable of dodging constantly more than once than you might as well have Rel combat speed as well but thats not what was accepted.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

How we treating Sukuna's Hypersonic combat and Relativistic Reactions rn:

 

[Jaynic1]

We desperately needed more, clearly this is very necessary before the verse gets downgraded to tier 9.

Is this supposed downgrade real or a joke

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Is this supposed downgrade real or a joke

Bet me on Kalshi on what comes first. The downgrade or GTA 6

 

[Jaynic1]

Bet me on Kalshi on what comes first. The downgrade or GTA 6

Im taking gta 6

 

[LaserPrecision]

I see I was called for.

Yeah, essentially reaction speed is for short movements, and not prolonged ones like throwing punches or weaving punches in close quarters. It would be more like ducking one punch or flipping out of the way of an attack, but being unable to act beyond that. Sukuna's reaction speed feat is being able to point, chant, and fire his WCS as Kashimo's EMW was heading towards him. So in close quarters he's cooked if he has to avoid anything beyond a single blow against someone much faster than him in combat speed (Hypersonic). It would let him do small things like chans and do small hand gestures like domain or wcs, and evade one attack but that's about it.

I'd say Sukuna's main wincon here is seeing that Muzan has totally ridiculous regeneration beyond anything in the verse and deciding "enough is enough" and using a thick WCS to erase him without a trace (Like what he fired at Kashimo who narrowly evaded it). Alternatively MS into Divine Flame could also work. But WCS is much quicker and uses significantly less of his reserves.

 

[MochOath]

loool i did not expect to come back to this
i assumed the previous matchups were just removed cause stat changes
if jjk supps generally agree than Sukuna just gets victimized, i can switch the matchup to someone with more agenda a stronger case behind them

 

[Machmatej]

loool i did not expect to come back to this
i assumed the previous matchups were just removed cause stat changes
if jjk supps generally agree than Sukuna just gets victimized, i can switch the matchup to someone with more agenda a stronger case behind them

as kny supporter i think its fine, but you should unequalize the speed because at the moment there's nothing muzan can do against a WCS

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

as kny supporter i think its fine, but you should unequalize the speed because at the moment there's nothing muzan can do against a WCS

That would make it a full stomp (even more than if you're already arguing this is a stomp) cause at that point it's just "can muzan react to this thing very much in his ballpark to react to?" and right after that paste the literal snail that is sukuna

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So in close quarters he's cooked if he has to avoid anything beyond a single blow against someone much faster than him in combat speed (Hypersonic).

Yeah he wouldnt be able to avoid Muzan's bone tentacles. He was also capable of blitzing the Hashiras jumping him at the same time by increasing his speed with thigh whips

Alternatively MS into Divine Flame could also work.

This has never been a proper win con for Sukuna because Muzan and the demons can just teleport away.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

as kny supporter i think its fine, but you should unequalize the speed because at the moment there's nothing muzan can do against a WCS