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DC Comics : Higher Keys And Abilities Request (2B superman and such)

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This is my first time making a thread, I wanted to request certain things

Superman 2B Key

He already has "varies" in his key, so I think it's reasonable that he can sometimes be 2B

Some of the accepted feats that are listed for rebirth superman should scale higher than 2C

He one shotted the son of the world forger, who has made countless amounts of realities (shouldn't this qualify as countless? More than 1001? Look at how many movie tapes there are)

He has knocked out an imprisoned barbatos while dying from the anti life equation in his body (see here)

1 of barbatos accepted feat is him destroying billions of universes (see his page, idk why list as 2C, it's not like it's stated that It was overtime)

These feats should be 2B



2A - possibly low 1C time trapper? (Replace low 1C with beyond dimensional existence type 1?)

Going to his page, you can see this, how is warping all timelines which are infinite, 2C? This should be 2A

Another thing is that a writer says the time trapper operates outside normal dimensionality (action comics 1938 issue 595)

I think there should be a "varies" key with 2A and possibly low 1C?(replace low 1C with beyond dimensional existence type 1?) as time trapper's in different eras are not the same power level??




Abilities and haxs additions

Speedsters, Immortality type 4 and 8 :
powerless Bart Allen dies in a car crash but manages to reignite the speedforce back to life (darkseid be omegaing the speedforce), also bringing himself back to life in issue 29 of flash 2023


Mr mxyzptlks and Batmite, 11D Creation and plot manipulation : the 2 imps created an entire fake multiverse which includes orrey of worlds and ripped it apart to make batman and superman fight each other in batman/superman 2019 annual 1

Darkseid pre-flashpoint emanations, immortality negation for type 4 : it is said that there is no chance of rebirth when erase by omega beams (this is only listed as existence erasure for his page)

Dream of the endless, resistance towards information manipulation : a residence of the city of stars made a blackhole that trapped dream, this blackhole was said to have no light and information and causes pain inside of it which dream ignored in sandman overture issue 4 and 5

Add Justification for the anti monitor 2A feat of "absorbed the anti matter universe feat" : as the anti matter universe has already absorbed an infinite amounts of universes (it might confused some people on why absorbing 1 universe is 2A without context/explanation)
 
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This is my first time making a thread, I wanted to request certain things

Superman 2B Key

He already has "varies" in his key, so I think it's reasonable that he can sometimes be 2B

Some of the accepted feats that are listed for rebirth superman should scale higher than 2C

He one shotted the son of the world forger, who has made countless amounts of realities (shouldn't this qualify as countless? More than 1001? Look at how many movie tapes there are)

He has knocked out an imprisoned barbatos while dying from the anti life equation in his body (see here)

1 of barbatos accepted feat is him destroying billions of universes (see his page, idk why list as 2C, it's not like it's stated that It was overtime)

These feats should be 2B



2A - possibly low 1C time trapper? (Replace low 1C with beyond dimensional existence type 1?)

Going to his page, you can see this, how is warping all timelines which are infinite, 2C? This should be 2A

Another thing is that a writer says the time trapper operates outside normal dimensionality (action comics 1938 issue 595)

I think there should be a "varies" key with 2A and possibly low 1C?(replace low 1C with beyond dimensional existence type 1?) as time trapper's in different eras are not the same power level??




Abilities and haxs additions

Speedsters, Immortality type 4 and 8 :
powerless Bart Allen dies in a car crash but manages to reignite the speedforce back to life (darkseid be omegaing the speedforce), also bringing himself back to life in issue 29 of flash 2023


Mr mxyzptlks and Batmite, 11D Creation and plot manipulation : the 2 imps created an entire fake multiverse which includes orrey of worlds and ripped it apart to make batman and superman fight each other in batman/superman 2019 annual 1

Darkseid pre-flashpoint emanations, immortality negation for type 4 : it is said that there is no chance of rebirth when erase by omega beams (this is only listed as existence erasure for his page)

Dream of the endless, resistance towards information manipulation : a residence of the city of stars made a blackhole that trapped dream, this blackhole was said to have no light and information and causes pain inside of it which dream ignored in sandman overture issue 4 and 5

Add Justification for the anti monitor 2A feat of "absorbed the anti matter universe feat" : as the anti matter universe has already absorbed an infinite amounts of universes (it might confused some people on why absorbing 1 universe is 2A without context/explanation)
The time Trapper bit I'm a bit iffy but you've done a banger job!
 
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Superman 2B Key

He already has "varies" in his key, so I think it's reasonable that he can sometimes be 2B

Some of the accepted feats that are listed for rebirth superman should scale higher than 2C

He one shotted the son of the world forger, who has made countless amounts of realities (shouldn't this qualify as countless? More than 1001? Look at how many movie tapes there are)

He has knocked out an imprisoned barbatos while dying from the anti life equation in his body (see here)

1 of barbatos accepted feat is him destroying billions of universes (see his page, idk why list as 2C, it's not like it's stated that It was overtime)

These feats should be 2B
We list Attack Pottency in Output of one attack. Barbatos got 2-C cuz of shaking 52 Universes. How he destroyed billions of universes are unknown.

If that would be enough i think 2B makes sense alternatively 2-C, Possibly 2-B can work


2A - possibly low 1C time trapper? (Replace low 1C with beyond dimensional existence type 1?)

Going to his page, you can see this, how is warping all timelines which are infinite, 2C? This should be 2A

Another thing is that a writer says the time trapper operates outside normal dimensionality (action comics 1938 issue 595)

I think there should be a "varies" key with 2A and possibly low 1C?(replace low 1C with beyond dimensional existence type 1?) as time trapper's in different eras are not the same power level??
This is not Low 1-C or whatsover. Being outside dimensionality isn't enough for Low 1-C. Based on OP BDE 1 is fine.


Dream of the endless, resistance towards information manipulation : a residence of the city of stars made a blackhole that trapped dream, this blackhole was said to have no light and information and causes pain inside of it which dream ignored in sandman overture issue 4 and 5
Scan itself talks about "Lacking about information" not Information. It is some kind of NEP not Resistance to Information Manipulation so disagree with this

Everything else seems fine at first glance
 
We list Attack Pottency in Output of one attack. Barbatos got 2-C cuz of shaking 52 Universes. How he destroyed billions of universes are unknown.

If that would be enough i think 2B makes sense alternatively 2-C, Possibly 2-B can work
He has "varies" in his key so

-Possibly 2B
-2C up to 2B
-Usually 3C, 2B at his peak, higher when sundipped



This is not Low 1-C or whatsover. Being outside dimensionality isn't enough for Low 1-C. Based on OP BDE 1 is fine.
I Edited that a while ago, replacing low 1C with bde type 1
Scan itself talks about "Lacking about information" not Information. It is some kind of NEP not Resistance to Information Manipulation so disagree with this

Everything else seems fine at first glance
There's pain Inside the blackhole according to dream which might mean something?

Blackholes be sucking stuff so maaaaybe?
 
There's pain Inside the blackhole according to dream which might mean something?

Blackholes be sucking stuff so maaaaybe?
Nothing in context means it manipulates information in first place. He tells greater than pain is Nothing.

Statement tells you "a vastness of nothing, a place with no light, no information" which would mean it just place where information doesn't exist.
 
Nothing in context means it manipulates information in first place. He tells greater than pain is Nothing.

Statement tells you "a vastness of nothing, a place with no light, no information" which would mean it just place where information doesn't exist.
Dream can exist in a place with no information basically
 
So other than Time Trapper having BDE 1 now Dream has NPI to information NEP.

2B superman is valid imo and that everything else as far as I can see doesn't have a hitch to it
 
2-B wouldn't be only Superman thing. Every high tier herald scales to Barbatos feat technically.
 
Would the Barbatos thing be be 2-C (52 Universes), possibly 2-B (Billions of Universes) or possibly 2-B (Downscales to Baseline)?
 
Would the Barbatos thing be be 2-C (52 Universes), possibly 2-B (Billions of Universes) or possibly 2-B (Downscales to Baseline)?
-2C, up to 2B
-Possibly 2B

Idk what you mean by downscale, barbatos doesn't have a 2B key (he should have one)
 
Will Barbatos fully scale to the billions of universes or will it be treated as an overtime feat, thereby his effective AP downscales to baseline 2-B?
ig he is suggesting

Either Barbatos should fully scale to 2-B
Or it should be 2-C, Possibly 2-B

Well both of them upscale cuz Barbatos was rated 2-C even with billion times universes justification
 
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Abilities and haxs additions
These are are all fine to me.

He one shotted the son of the world forger, who has made countless amounts of realities (shouldn't this qualify as countless? More than 1001? Look at how many movie tapes there are)
I think I listed this one as 2-C as I kinda just gave up counting how many of those tapes he made. But if you find a solid number, then sure.

1 of barbatos accepted feat is him destroying billions of universes (see his page, idk why list as 2C, it's not like it's stated that It was overtime)
This is fine ig.

2A - possibly low 1C time trapper? (Replace low 1C with beyond dimensional existence type 1?)

Going to his page, you can see this, how is warping all timelines which are infinite, 2C? This should be 2A

Another thing is that a writer says the time trapper operates outside normal dimensionality (action comics 1938 issue 595)

I think there should be a "varies" key with 2A and possibly low 1C?(replace low 1C with beyond dimensional existence type 1?) as time trapper's in different eras are not the same power level??
That one isn't really enough evidence for Low 1-C. But I'll stay neutral on this one as I haven't read the issue for it in a long while, cause I recall one of the universes had a phantom zone which might net things way higher.
 
Honestly Low 1-C thing should be removed and just let BDE 1 stuff stay. I already told you multiple times in cord @Bimgus8010

You will confuse ppl with what you are arguing
 
All of the 2-Cs essentially since they all backscale from Rebirth Superman.
I mean hard to believe that there are no antifeats.

Then again 2-C to 2-B is a very meh jump.

Not yes-ing this since bluntly, idk DC all that well, but if the staff agrees go for it.
 
The number has to be at least 1001 to qualify for 2-B, or have a verbatim "countless" statement.
But look at how many there are
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Saitama and garou serious punch stars destruction feat is considered countless in vsbw despite not having "countless" statement

It just looks too many so it should qualify like how garou and Saitama got galaxy level because they fist bump countless stars to dust
 
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