Sukuna fights the strongest of toda- oh no wait wrong guy (Sukuna Vs Saxton Hale)

[LandonTheGuy]

Don't really do this matchup thing really often, but i had this one in my head for a while.

1. Using 2/3 finger sukuna key is used
2. Reaction speed is Equalized
3. Fight takes place in Mercenary Park
4. They are in mele range
5. They both know what the other is capable of
6. Domain expansion is restricted

VOTES

Strongest in history (Upscales 58.4 Tons of tnt) -

Strongest Mann in the world (Upscales 54.7 Tons of tnt)

 

[koopa3144]

Not really seeing what Saxton can do here since he has no real way to get around getting cut up by Shrine.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Not really seeing what Saxton can do here since he has no real way to get around getting cut up by Shrine.

Saxton does have sweeping charge whitch makes so he gets half of the damage he normally gets, and this is if he actually gets in his domain because you got to count 2 things:

1. Sukuna has to first do the encantation of the domain and we start at mele range (arguably Saxton's speciality considering he's still comparable if not superior to some of "the most dangerus people in the USA" in combat, aka the mercs) so i'm sure he won't let him or at least sukuna would be too occupied with him to try.
2. If Saxton ever finds himself out of the usual mele range and sukuna tries to open his domain, he can still escape it by using sweeping charge.

So i wouldn't see sukuna's domain as a win con as Hale himself has a ways of punching above his normal ap treshold.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Aren't TF2 bros, specifically Saxton, oneshots above their AP?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Aren't TF2 bros, specifically Saxton, oneshots above their AP?

They are both relative and both upscale the value they have given (and have ways to go even beyond their normal ap) so it should be pretty relative as a matchup ap wise

 

[DaReaperMan]

So what stops Saxton from being deconstructed by getting hit a mere three thousand times, again?

 

[Eclipso]

Unsure if this counts for the matchup, it might not be on the profile, but domain users are typically able to cast them against similar speeds in Jujutsu Kaisen, at close range, without issue. There are only two cases of someone failing to cast it due to being interrupted in JJK, and both are due to severe gaps in speed.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

So what stops Saxton from being deconstructed by getting hit a mere three thousand times, again?

As said hale has sweeping charge that puts him in a state that gives between him half of the total damage given or 1/10 (i'll assume the 1/10 is used in this case because we are talking about spamming attacks in this case), or the fact that they start at mele range to it's unlikely he gets the chance to pop that shi, so worst case scenario he just uses that and he's good.

Unsure if this counts for the matchup, it might not be on the profile, but domain users are typically able to cast them against similar speeds in Jujutsu Kaisen, at close range, without issue. There are only two cases of someone failing to cast it due to being interrupted in JJK, and both are due to severe gaps in speed.

I mostly said that because sukuna in this point of the serie he tends to overrastimate himself on my opinion and it's does prove that it's possible to do that, so my opinion is that it's unlikely that Sukuna can pop his domain in mele range and Saxton let's that happen.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I mostly said that because sukuna in this point of the serie he tends to overrastimate himself on my opinion and it's does prove that it's possible to do that, so my opinion is that it's unlikely that Sukuna can pop his domain in mele range and Saxton let's that happen.

The entire incantation can be done in close combat in like under a second from their perspectives. I don't think casting it in close-quarters is an issue unless Saxton staggers him and keep him in an inescapable combo. Which I doubt is happening. Even if that were the case, he could always step back to create enough distance to pull it off. And the Domain has a range of 200 meters from Sukuna if not restricted (Which he has no reason to do here).

That said, I'm unsure if he'd need MS. He could just spam danmaku Dismantle to shred Saxton. Alternatively, he could use Cleave to split him in half in a single go. Which only requires a touch.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

The entire incantation can be done in close combat in like under a second from their perspectives. I don't think casting it in close-quarters is an issue unless Saxton staggers him and keep him in an inescapable combo. Which I doubt is happening. Even if that were the case, he could always step back to create enough distance to pull it off. And the Domain has a range of 200 meters from Sukuna if not restricted (Which he has no reason to do here).

That said, I'm unsure if he'd need MS. He could just spam danmaku Dismantle to shred Saxton. Alternatively, he could use Cleave to split him in half in a single go. Which only requires a touch.

JUST TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THIS AIN'T A STOMP

I think you are a little implying that saxton will stand there without doing nothin, because both being in mele range is exactly the issue for Sukuna as Hale can still punch way above his normal ap treshhold (about 3 times) and also the fact that mele is like saxton specialty (but i already said that), and if sukuna tries to get some space from Saxton to open his domain, Saxton can close the distance again considering if he uses sweeping charge whitch is faster than sukuna's normal travel speed (travel speed is not equalized) because why would a grappler ever let space from his adversary.

Ok, i understand that u don't need a minute to open your domain, but it's still extreamly impractical to do that in the first place in mele range, from what i can recal i don't remember no one opening his domain in front of the adversary face during a mele matchup (exept mahito, but that was a different case).

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah none of that saves Saxton from getting unceremoniously stomped before he can even get to melee. He literally needs Sukuna to stand there and do nothing to win. That's not a wincon.

And don't bring up "HaLf DaMaGe", man. Getting hit multiple thousand times is just lethal to Saxton regardless of damage reduction.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Yeah none of that saves Saxton from getting unceremoniously stomped before he can even get to melee. He literally needs Sukuna to stand there and do nothing to win. That's not a wincon.

And don't bring up "HaLf DaMaGe", man. Getting hit multiple thousand times is just lethal to Saxton regardless of damage reduction.

Alright i get it, we are restricting Sukuna's domain for a more fair matchup.


How about that?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Alright i get it, we are restricting Sukuna's domain for a more fair matchup.


How about that?

Nope, can't do that.

At least, not if you want the match added afterwards. You cannot restrict abilities that aren't either likely or possibly in a versus thread.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Nope, can't do that.

At least, not if you want the match added afterwards. You cannot restrict abilities that aren't either likely or possibly in a versus thread.

well ig it's a stomp

 

[DaReaperMan]

well ig it's a stomp

Almost like if you put Saxton Hale, a resistanceless, haxless melee character with skill that can only be described as "good", against a guy whose primary move is throwing several thousand attacks at a target to literally act as Deconstruction there's so many, and has everything from Domain Expansion and Cursed Energy Manipulation to use well before his Mid Regen is overtaxed if by some miracle of every deity Saxton even makes it to him, it's a stomp.

Saxton is good. He is not THAT good.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Almost like if you put Saxton Hale, a resistanceless, haxless melee character with skill that can only be described as "good", against a guy whose primary move is throwing several thousand attacks at a target to literally act as Deconstruction there's so many, and has everything from Domain Expansion and Cursed Energy Manipulation to use well before his Mid Regen is overtaxed if by some miracle of every deity Saxton even makes it to him, it's a stomp.

Saxton is good. He is not THAT good.

Jesus Crist man i said ok, no need to leacture me like that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Jesus Crist man i said ok, no need to leacture me like that.

If I just say "lol Dismantle GG", that doesn't explain why Sukuna wrecks him, my guy...

 

[LandonTheGuy]

If I just say "lol Dismantle GG", that doesn't explain why Sukuna wrecks him, my guy...

I'm sorry, let me reformulate.

I understood the point you are making before, because 3 other ppl made basically the same point, i didn't bother to put the same explaination that i gave the last 3 ppl i gave last time not because i agree with you because i see what u are saing and that you don't agree with me.

Not trying to be not polite or offend you or start a discussion, i just understood that everyone did not think this was a close matchup and i'm fine with that, but i don't care.

For short, you didn't need to bother yourself to say what i already understood.




So yeah.... lol Dismantle GG