DC Comics : Higher Keys And Abilities Request (2B superman and such)

[Antvasima]

Okay. Then I think that what has been accepted here can likely be applied now.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'll do so on the weekend.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I'll do so on the weekend.

Why'd you put Kyle Rayner at 2-A?

 

[Rgerdeena]

Why'd you put Kyle Rayner at 2-A?

Because he’s superior to hal who has 2-A statements on his profile

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Because he’s superior to hal who has 2-A statements on his profile

Was that what this thread was about? I thought it was all 2-B? I'm not complaining though

 

[Rgerdeena]

Was that what this thread was about? I thought it was all 2-B? I'm not complaining though

I was joking about that being the reason(not that that isn’t true it just probably isn’t the reason), was probably just an accident

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I was joking about that being the reason, was probably just an accident

I knew it was too good to be true.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Time Trapper's feat in the OP.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Time Trapper's feat in the OP.

Wow, that's really cool!


I've dreamed of the day of 2-A Post-Crisis Superman

 

[Bimgus8010]

Time Trapper's feat in the OP.

I didn't know I accidentally cooked this much

How many characters gonna be 2A?

And will the reason be that they are superior or equal to time trapper?

 

[Elizio33]

So every every character who is affected by this thread would become 2-A instead of 2-B ?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

So every every character who is affected by this thread would become 2-A instead of 2-B ?

Apparently.

 

[Elizio33]

Apparently.

Are we sure that Time Trapper didn’t warp all the timelines through preparation, or was he able to do it simply because he exists outside them and has that vantage point?

If it’s the latter, can we really assume he should be ranked 2-A just because he can warp infinite timelines from that position? Perhaps "2-A through his vantage point" would be a more accurate way to describe it? If not, then it's fine !

 

[KirbyFan03]

So every every character who is affected by this thread would become 2-A instead of 2-B ?

Herald upgrades! (For Rebirth only... sadly)

 

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Are we sure that Time Trapper didn’t warp all the timelines through preparation, or was he able to do it simply because he exists outside them and has that vantage point?

The feat is already accepted and listed in his page, even before this thread that I made (idk why it says universes instead of all timelines)

 

[Elizio33]

The feat is already accepted and listed in his page, even before this thread that I made (idk why it says universes instead of all timelines)

Yeah, I understand that, but is the reason he could warp all timelines mostly because he exists outside of them and has that unique vantage point?

 

[Bimgus8010]

Yeah, I understand that, but is the reason he could warp all timelines mostly because he exists outside of them and has that unique vantage point?

That vantage point can be accessed by humans with advanced tech from what I remembered



Even infinite man can go there

 

[Elizio33]

That vantage point can be accessed by humans with advanced tech from what I remembered



Even infinite man can go there

That's true, but I wanted to know if the Time Trapper had managed to warp the infinite timelines mostly because of that vantage point rather than raw power ? That's my question.

 

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That's true, but I wanted to know if the Time Trapper had managed to warp the infinite timelines mostly because of that vantage point rather than raw power ? That's my question.

Raw power

Characters have went there and do not gain new powers

I'm pretty sure superman went there with doomsday in a comic months ago

There's no cosmology blog for "end of time" being anything unique or something

 

[Elizio33]

Raw power

Characters have went there and do not gain new powers

I'm pretty sure superman went there with doomsday in a comic months ago

There's no cosmology blog for "end of time" being anything unique or something

It is not that this place confers powers on whoever goes there, it is a matter of properties inherent to this place and how reality and history can be affected from this place.

For example, the Anti-Monitor could have erased the entire Multiverse of positive matter and made the Antimatter Universe dominant, since he affected reality through the Dawn of Time, from which history can be rewritten. The same can be true for the Time Trapper.

 

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It is not that this place confers powers on whoever goes there, it is a matter of properties inherent to this place and how reality and history can be affected from this place.

For example, the Anti-Monitor could have erased the entire Multiverse of positive matter and made the Antimatter Universe dominant, since he affected reality through the Dawn of Time, from which history can be rewritten. The same can be true for the Time Trapper.

I have nothing except this

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/End_of_Time#cite_note-1

Can someone who knows end of time input something about it?

Like Its never stated to be

"Oh, this place? Yea, I can warp 6969 universes from here but in the normal realm? I'm only supergoat victim"

The anti monitor could have accomplished his mission if the monitor and harbinger Didn't hide the last 3 or 5 universes (he would change the multiverse through the life forces of the heroes which he drained in the dawn of time)

 

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And me coincidentally realizing this right now


The fact that heroes life energies were used to perform 2A feat listed by the anti monitor (already listed as 2A even before my thread was made) should further support 2A heralds of dc

 

[Antvasima]

I thought that our staff members only accepted 2-B for the herald-level characters in this thread, and don't remember accepting 2-A for them myself either.

 

[Antvasima]

@Emirp sumitpo
@Elizio33
@Antvasima

Agrees on everything except the low 1C time trapper

@Maverick_Zero_X agrees on the superman punching 2B barbatos and abilities additions but seems neutral on the son of world forger feat (obvious disagree with low 1C time trapper)

We have 4 staff votes, we can make 2B Superman + 2B DC heralds and apply abilities additions

It seems like this needs to be corrected.

 

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It seems like this needs to be corrected.

@Emirp sumitpo agrees with 2A
@Elizio33 is also fine with 2A

@Antvasima , how about it? You agree with elizio too right?

 

[Antvasima]

Based on what? As far as I am aware, The Time Trapper is usually portrayed as enormously more powerful than herald level characters.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Based on what? As far as I am aware, The Time Trapper is usually portrayed as enormously more powerful than herald level characters.

-He fought supergoat (post crisis page)

-Time trapper Considered an equal to emanation darkseid, who superman while dying and weakend with the anti life, one shotted batgos who had darkseid powers (rebirth page)

-beat normal darkseid in a fair fight (in his post crisis page)

Am literally using already accepted feats

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Based on what? As far as I am aware, The Time Trapper is usually portrayed as enormously more powerful than herald level characters.

Multiple characters already scale to Time Trapper, and scale to characters comparable to Time Trapper.

This isn't changing any established scaling, just adjusting ratings.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. All that most of our staff agreed with here was scaling to 2-B. Suddenly applying 2-A instead based on suspicious and inconsistent scaling seems very unreliable.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Hmm. All that most of our staff agreed with here was scaling to 2-B. Suddenly applying 2-A instead based on suspicious and inconsistent scaling seems very unreliable.

It was literally in the OP, it wasn't rejected by anyone. Do you have any actual argument against it?

 

[Bimgus8010]

Hmm. All that most of our staff agreed with here was scaling to 2-B. Suddenly applying 2-A instead based on suspicious and inconsistent scaling seems very unreliable.

most of the staff actually agreed on 2A (elizio, emirp and you agreed with elizio's conclusions )

It's literally still a small jump to tiers 2C to 2A

 

[Elizio33]

most of the staff actually agreed on 2A (elizio, emirp and you agreed with elizio)

I believe that Antvasima only agrees with the part concerning the 2-B upgrade. Personally, I'm fine with 2-A. The only thing will this upgrade be part of a varying tier for the Heralds or not ?

 

[Bimgus8010]

I believe that Antvasima only agrees with the part concerning the 2-B upgrade.

He agreed with your conclusions

Your final conclusions is being fine with 2A

 

[Elizio33]

He agreed with your conclusions

Your final conclusions is being fine with 2A

Okay.

What about this:

The only question i have is whether this upgrade will be part of a variable tier for the Heralds or not?

 

[Bimgus8010]

Okay.



What about this:

The only question i have is whether this upgrade will be part of a variable tier for the Heralds or not?

Uh, idk, ask emirp

You can check the pages for some of the characters that already got 2A

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Krypto_the_Superdog_(Post_Crisis)

Doomsday (Post-Crisis)

Doomsday was created on prehistoric Krypton thousands of years ago by a scientist named Bertron as a bio-mechanical super-soldier and living weapon of mass destruction. This process involved Bertron cross-breeding the artificial birth of a Kryptonian hybrid, left to fend for itself in the...

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Darkseid (Post-Flashpoint)

Darkseid is one of the most powerful New Gods and the tyrannical ruler of Apokolips, an archetypal world beyond the boundaries of time and space. His everlasting goal is the utter domination and enslavement of all life in creation, when all is ordered according to his will. Darkseid was formerly...

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Wonder Woman (Post-Crisis)

Molded from clay by her mother, Hippolyta, and blessed by the Greek gods to become as "beautiful as Aphrodite, wise as Athena, stronger than Hercules, and swifter than Mercury", Diana of Themyscira was destined for greatness. The Princess of the Amazons was a dauntless warrior whose prowess on...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Rgerdeena]

Okay.

What about this:

The only question i have is whether this upgrade will be part of a variable tier for the Heralds or not?

It’s probably better for a different thread to address the fact that pretty much all the feats are from flash and green lantern and Superman who all vary, since a new tier will have to be found for most DC herald tiers which would not be easy and likely needs it’s own feat collection thread

 

[Bimgus8010]

It’s probably better for a different thread to address the fact that pretty much all the feats are from flash and green lantern and Superman who all vary, since a new tier will have to be found for most DC herald tiers which would not be easy and likely needs it’s own feat collection thread

The feats themselves are already accepted and listed tho

It's the tierings that has to change

 

[KirbyFan03]

He agreed with your conclusions

Your final conclusions is being fine with 2A

Eh it's an honest mistake, mere misunderstanding. Nothing to be too worried about XD

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody clarify the scaling from the Time Trapper at his peak to Superman and other heralds please? Barbatos seemed more straightforward.