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Besides, if it comes from the same advertisement, specifying that this set is used against tanks, why would the "opponents" mentioned not be tanks?
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Team Fortress 2 - (tier 8 7 6 and Sol weapons speed upgrade and some other minor stuff)
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That's not what my statement is trying to imply, but rather calling to question the necessity for this blurb to be saying that yes this weapon does indeed vaporize tanks when neither of the quotes provided say as much. Being a "tank buster" or "sending it back to their mothers" could be as minimal as putting a tank out of commission rather complete and total destruction.
If it's just wow factor, why are we attempting to use it for anything at all? You're just admitting then that it's just a gameplay mechanic.
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I mean, if a weapon is meant to be used against a specific thing and it attacks via vaporizing stuff, then imo, it should be a fair assumption for it to be vaporizing that thing
Besides, this is probably just gonna be a likely or possibly rating anyway, it's not like we're definitely saying the Black Box vaporizes tanks, just that it probably does
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Because it still happens outside of the mercs using it on each other.
Me saying it's just for wow-factor doesn't really make sense when I put it like that, and I don't even know what I was attempting to say there. Besides that wasn't the point of my comment. The point was if the vaporization weapons truly had that much higher output than the mercs durability, then why don't the mercs die after the first two shots? Or even the first shot?
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Oh ok
If you really think about it "sending it back to their mothers" isn't really a term that implies that the tank will stay intact, it could be said as something more spiritual if you know what i mean.
Honestly what's stopping soldier to say that regardless od the state of the tank?
As for "tank buster set" i mean... yeah that's what it does i suppose, destroy tanks, it also doesn't necessarely implies that the tanks stay into an exactly full state.
Both really do imply that the tank isn't in the best of condition yes, but there isn't anything as direct like "blasted to Pieces"
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Except in the case of the Black Box we cannot even discern how literal it's meant to be - it doesn't have the same kind of effect in-game as the energy weapons, nor is the blurb statement that explicit.
Because that would be the requirement for something to be vaporized by said thing, to scale to it would indicate that you wouldn't have been vaporized in the first place.
Which is my entire point, it's non-specific and vague.
Either way I've said my piece on this part of the subject, I don't agree to the mercs scaling to such things. If people want to discuss the Bread Monster thing they can because I haven't looked too far into that.
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what i meant by that is:
All of the terms exept the "turned into ashes" are too vague to mean anything in contradiction to that.
And the fact that the black box is in that set in the first place disproves your argument.
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While I still do think it's vaporizing the tanks, I unfortunately have to concede that we simply don't have the evidence to back it up definitively, though I'd still like a possibility rating at least, since I still feel it's a safe assumption given the whole "smoldering pile of ash" thing
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why did you had to write that in morse code
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mannn.... I'm om my phone i have to open vsbw from crome and it's sooo slowww...
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u really couldn't speak something like italian couldn't you?
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hví skyldi ek auðvitað eigi
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as a person from italy, i can confirm that's not a lenguage from earth
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"FOR THE POWER OF Mjöllnir GRANTED ME BY THE GRANDFATHER!!!" ass lenguage
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Well, given how someone asks "where are the tanks?", total destruction fits the bill a lot better.
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to everyone intrested for the black box feat, i will recontextualize what the burp says as there's direct connection between the feat and the black box statement (when i get home)
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Basically.
We have a Soldier weilding the black box that is asked "where are the tanks?" and then admits to have destroyed said tanks, therefore the tanks were in such a state that they weren't even visible by people, and such description matches the "smouldering pile of ash" thing.
"Tank Buster set" and "sending back to their mother" isn't by any means a lenguage usage that would disqualify the "smouldering pile of ash" statement, as the the second one was said by Soldier who's a semplicistic moron in his lenguage behavior (also want to add that the term "sending back" or whatever is used also in other burps that imply the destruction or kill of someone not the dismissment) and the other is literally the description of the weapon.
In short, Soldier wields a weapon that it's stated to turn anything that is against in a "pile of smouldering ash", the lenguage used by Soldier himself is both non contradictiory with what the statement says and fits the tone of what the weapon is capable of.
We have a Soldier weilding the black box that is asked "where are the tanks?" and then admits to have destroyed said tanks, therefore the tanks were in such a state that they weren't even visible by people, and such description matches the "smouldering pile of ash" thing.
"Tank Buster set" and "sending back to their mother" isn't by any means a lenguage usage that would disqualify the "smouldering pile of ash" statement, as the the second one was said by Soldier who's a semplicistic moron in his lenguage behavior (also want to add that the term "sending back" or whatever is used also in other burps that imply the destruction or kill of someone not the dismissment) and the other is literally the description of the weapon.
In short, Soldier wields a weapon that it's stated to turn anything that is against in a "pile of smouldering ash", the lenguage used by Soldier himself is both non contradictiory with what the statement says and fits the tone of what the weapon is capable of.
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Before taking this decision, you have to know that the term "Sending back to-" is used in other burps as to kill/destroy something rather than the dismissing or retiering.
Regardless, for soldier this is a war, why would he just "dismiss" out the tanks than destroing them totally?
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Also i have to address another factor about the scaling you propose because:
HOWEVER, the feat i have presented today doesn't imply the vaporization of humans but robots, robots that the mercs downscale, and they not only have in game proof that they survive multiple shots in game but also implications in lore as rocket jumping is a common practice for soldier and other people in the verse and also in lore implication that people survive a shot from these weapons:
"Being an innovative hand-held irradiating utensil capable of producing rapid pulses of high-amplitude radiation in sufficient quantity as to immolate, maim and otherwise incapacitate the Irish."
1- The requierment to vaporize a mercenary is different than the vaporization of robots bacause the robots are weaker than the mercs, bacause:
- The robots are weaker than the mercs, so the feat doesn't create no circular scaling.
- I will not stop repeating this till i'm dead, it takes multiple hits to kill a merc while 1 for a robot, taking a comment that Tllmbrg said.
Yes Tllmbrg you are right, we don't get that rating because a human cannot survive the energy needed to vaporize another human.
HOWEVER, the feat i have presented today doesn't imply the vaporization of humans but robots, robots that the mercs downscale, and they not only have in game proof that they survive multiple shots in game but also implications in lore as rocket jumping is a common practice for soldier and other people in the verse and also in lore implication that people survive a shot from these weapons:
"Being an innovative hand-held irradiating utensil capable of producing rapid pulses of high-amplitude radiation in sufficient quantity as to immolate, maim and otherwise incapacitate the Irish."
2-Now that we know that ppl just that ppl are build like that in tf2, wouldn't say that the mercs don't scale to them be against the lore itself?
3- Why would they even bother using other weaponry if you apparently just got a death cannon that canonically is as fast as light in your arsenal ?
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Also realized that i have to keep count of people who agree and disagree lol
@DaReaperMan @Rex_Eckles have your opinions changed tru the thread and the things that have been presented recently (enfasis on the stuff that i presented recently)?
@DaReaperMan @Rex_Eckles have your opinions changed tru the thread and the things that have been presented recently (enfasis on the stuff that i presented recently)?
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My opinions are the same as before.
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Okey
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My opinion hasn’t really changed all that much tbh
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sooo.... you wanna give a vote on the stuff? like you agree, disagree?
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also congrats for your first 1k likes
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Still at school hold on
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Actually, considering we are in theme of the ap for the mercs, i wanted to address something.
The earthquake we hear it's provably of magnitude 4 instead of 3.5.
Regardless that the marcally scale does make clear that the earthquake in question does have a lot of similarity with a 4.0 one.
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"Felt indoors by many" "Walls make a cracking sound" "Sensation like an heavy truck striking a building"
Not only that, but also based on 3d visual simulation the quake seems to be more violent than a 3.5 and more like a 4.0
The earthquake we hear it's provably of magnitude 4 instead of 3.5.
Regardless that the marcally scale does make clear that the earthquake in question does have a lot of similarity with a 4.0 one.
For reference.
"Felt indoors by many" "Walls make a cracking sound" "Sensation like an heavy truck striking a building"
Not only that, but also based on 3d visual simulation the quake seems to be more violent than a 3.5 and more like a 4.0
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Sorry if i took a while to respond to you,
But technically no, the robots are considerably weaker than the mercs both because of upgrades (tecnically not only game mechanic as they were referenced in comics) and also Gray Mann had to take a complitly different approach in the war considering it was both causing another stalemate and was driving him bankrupt (due of the bots being powered by money).
It's not just a gameplay thing, the mercs are objectivly capable of dogging the robots with no difficulty.
Therefore the weapons aren't effecting them as much as the robots as they are one tapping them anyway.
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shit, forgot to reply, uh, agree with everything, though the 8-B+ stuff should be a likely or possibly since there's a bit of ambiguity with the tank statements
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if you agree with this the calc gets at 8-B baselinei if i remember
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Oh yeah, the expiration date earthquake is definitely closer to a 4 than a 3.5
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yeah, i'll ask dark caricola to change it, at least we got something that is 100% confirmed to be in tier 8-B and this CRT won't be useless.
I'll add that you agree with everything
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i'll assume reaper agrees considering he said that on the start of the thread and he didn't show much disagreement
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I'm not evaluation staff and I'm tired of doing TF2 scaling stuff, bite me.
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no like in general, i still care for support from non evaluation stuff lol
but if you don't want i suppose it's fine, i'll remove you if you want of course
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