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Simple Naruto speed upgrade

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This Calc Group thread got accepted.

Kakashi and those who scale to him are 0.02c (Sub-Rel) [Accepted Calc]

Sixth Gate Guy and those who scale to him 5x faster than Kakashi

0.1c (Relativistic)

V2 Kido and those who scale to him 1000x faster than Kakashi

20.053c (FTL+)

Isshiki’s Shinjutsu, Baryon Mode Naruto and Shibai scale 10x above V2 Kido

200.53c



Changes :

Current MHS+ —> SubRel
Current Subrel —> Rel
Current FTL [9.12c] —> FTL+ [20c]
Current MFTLs [100c] —> MFTL [200.53c]
 
Well if there are no more issues with the Kirin stuff I think this should be fine.

Although I believe if this calc is accepted it's better to make a thread for Kirin rather than for this feat
 
I'm neutral on this for now. I don't agree with the upgrade of all those characters just because the calc is mathematically correct but I'm not prepared yet to argue against it at the current time; at a later date I'll try to attempt my own speed revision.
 
JohnHendrix212 said:
Wait, huh?

Wasn't there a hubbub about False Darkness calc not being viable since the lower ends are far too close to the Kirin calc?

Just want clarification on this, otherwise I do agree with the OP.
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It isn't close, it's literally above Kirin calc.

However there isn't anything stopping Kirin being above the value it has. Even if you believe that Kirin should be faster than Kakashi, then let it be so, as Kirin just can upscale. Also IIRC Damage removed that part towards the end of the thread (I'm not sure)
 
DavidTPPM said:
Well if there are no more issues with the Kirin stuff I think this should be fine.

Although I believe if this calc is accepted it's better to make a thread for Kirin rather than for this feat
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Well, I do have disagreement with Kirin stuff but still think that even with this there isn't any problem.
 
Floxy178 said:
It isn't close, it's literally above Kirin calc.

However there isn't anything stopping Kirin being above the value it has. Even if you believe that Kirin should be faster than Kakashi, then let it be so, as Kirin just can upscale. Also IIRC Damage removed that part towards the end of the thread (I'm not sure)
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Well, yes. Damage did actually remove it, but there's still that looming issue of Kirin, where multiple mods agreed that it was inconsistent. Even though it isn't particularly a problem right now, I think it'd be best solve this issue immediately.

Because I'm 100% certain this is gonna be one of Damage's point of discussion when he inevitably creates a thread to reverse this upgrade.
 
JohnHendrix212 said:
Wait, huh?

Wasn't there a hubbub about False Darkness calc not being viable since the lower ends are far too close to the Kirin calc?

Just want clarification on this, otherwise I do agree with the OP.
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it's been dropped, even so it doesnt qualify as a cap either



Also there's not much to argue here
we have a newly accepted calc and this is just replacing old values with accepted speed scaling chains
so yeah agree
 
I actually disagree. The calc is fine, but I don't and haven't agreed with the inverse scaling chain for this for a while. Not sure if I should get into that now or make a future thread 🤔
 
MinatoSparkle said:
I actually disagree. The calc is fine, but I don't and haven't agreed with the inverse scaling chain for this for a while. Not sure if I should get into that now or make a future thread 🤔
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Bro it’s the accepted scaling chain being updated with a new calc the heck? 😭


If you want to remove stuff go make another crt
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Bro it’s the accepted scaling chain being updated with a new calc the heck? 😭
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I'm aware
Ghostimuscrime said:
If you want to remove stuff go make another crt
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Seems like a bit of a waste of time if everything is applied then gets changed again soon after. Like how Damage making the thread removing FTL top tiers before it got applied on a wide scale saved time in the long run (validity of that aside)
 
MinatoSparkle said:
I'm aware

Seems like a bit of a waste of time if everything is applied then gets changed again soon after. Like how Damage making the thread removing FTL top tiers before it got applied on a wide scale saved time in the long run (validity of that aside)
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Can you tell me which part of this scaling chain you disagree? Like, do you have characters that you don't particularly agree belong to a certain value?
 
MinatoSparkle said:
I think only Raikiri Kakashi scales to the calc and that Kakashi~Gated Guy. The 1000x is also only about Base Kakashi iirc so that'd affect the God Tiers
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Can't the statement refer to Kakashi holistically, Raikiri included?

Kido said Kakashi was a serious opponent, and that surely takes into account his signature attack. Why would Kido leave out certain details about Kakashi's arsenal that makes him a dangerous opponent anyway? And IIRC, Raikiri was never a secret where Kido wouldn't have known Kakashi had it.
 
I very much disagree with only Raikiri amped Kakashi scaling to it as we only see the text for raikiri show after he lands. The anime which we defer to in cases on unclear manga scenes outrightly show him activating raikiri after he gets in front of ShikaCho
A much better way to limit scaling is to rate only Body Flicker amped Kakashi, which doesn't really change the God tier scaling afaik but it's worth a shot ig
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
can’t we scale people to raikiri kakashi
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If they have feats/statements of that specifically then sure (an example would be 6th Gate Guy showing relativity to Raikiri Kakashi)
JohnHendrix212 said:
Can't the statement refer to Kakashi holistically, Raikiri included?

Kido said Kakashi was a serious opponent, and that surely takes into account his signature attack. Why would Kido leave out certain details about Kakashi's arsenal that makes him a dangerous opponent anyway? And IIRC, Raikiri was never a secret where Kido wouldn't have known Kakashi had it.
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? That's not where FTL Kido comes from. It's from him being 1000x above his base which is above one of his henchman who fought Sai iirc
Testarossa002 said:
I very much disagree with only Raikiri amped Kakashi scaling to it as we only see the text for raikiri show after he lands. The anime which we defer to in cases on unclear manga scenes outrightly show him activating raikiri after he gets in front of ShikaCho
A much better way to limit scaling is to rate only Body Flicker amped Kakashi, which doesn't really change the God tier scaling afaik but it's worth a shot ig
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That's kind of just a Naruto trope for the attack name to be shown after it lands/finishes sometimes. Like Naruto vs Kabuto, Lee vs Gaara, Naruto vs Sasuke, Naruto vs Itachi, etc.

I'm fine with it being Body Flicker too though, either way Kakashi should be moving as fast as possible to save his comrades.
 
Testarossa002 said:
I very much disagree with only Raikiri amped Kakashi scaling to it as we only see the text for raikiri show after he lands. The anime which we defer to in cases on unclear manga scenes outrightly show him activating raikiri after he gets in front of ShikaCho
A much better way to limit scaling is to rate only Body Flicker amped Kakashi, which doesn't really change the God tier scaling afaik but it's worth a shot ig
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Looking at the anime again, there doesn't seem to be any indication of Raikiri being present on or around Kakashi's blur. And even in the split second of animation where he lands in front of Shikamaru and Choji, Raikiri was still absent. The lightning seemed to materialize only after Kakashi shoots his arms forward to intercept the attack.

So I think this interpretation is more plausible.
 
Following

The calc. certainly if it has been accepted should be added.
To evaluate the application and chain scale I will see if I have time,on this I am currently neutral
 
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