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Yeah. It's kinda just support, since Buggy was in that chapter too.Boa's dialogue is definitely referred to herself and the other Warlords.
Though I don't think that's necessarily a strong justification for her profile either way.
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Yeah. It's kinda just support, since Buggy was in that chapter too.Boa's dialogue is definitely referred to herself and the other Warlords.
Though I don't think that's necessarily a strong justification for her profile either way.
Monkey what part of this says she's not trying to hurt him?Said after pushing him. Which she then never attacked him. Didn't debunk anything
No that's not a support. Her having the potential to be dangerous because of her conquerors haki discredits it. The form of conquerors she has is totally non-combat applicable and it being mentioned indicates the statement refers to her overall (which includes her dura neg hax) rather than any particular physical abilityYep... Which is why that's a support to her statement.
Yamato was never even in the prescence of Gear 4th when they made that statement. They have no possible way of knowing how strong Gear 4th is. All they know is base, Gear 2, and 3 which are tiers behind Yamato.Zoro, jinbe and Lucci sensed Saturn's strength/haki without seeing him
Luffy also sensed someone strong (Kizaru) without knowing who it was. That doesn't matter and not how obs Haki works, her saying luffy haven't tried his hardest proves that.
That's the huge problem with Boa's ratings. All of it is just support without main evidence.Yeah. It's kinda just support, since Buggy was in that chapter too.
that it's hyperbole and that she didn't even try to after that statement... There's no way your going to literally ignore everything else for a statment that was not true and was a hyperbole...Monkey what part of this says she's not trying to hurt him?
Again... Just ignoring stuff to support your argument... How the f does having con haki now mean you can't be as strong as you are stated to be...No that's not a support. Her having the potential to be dangerous because of her conquerors haki discredits it. The form of conquerors she has is totally non-combat applicable and it being mentioned indicates the statement refers to her overall (which includes her dura neg hax) rather than any particular physical ability
Make a CRT if you believe they have to first see the thing to read their power level, because that's not how haki works or how it's shown at all.Yamato was never even in the prescence of Gear 4th when they made that statement. They have no possible way of knowing how strong Gear 4th is. All they know is base, Gear 2, and 3 which are tiers behind Yamato.
And her feat with blackbeard...a fleet admiral, considering her a strong warrior is enough, especially with the supporting feats of being considerably above everyone she's faced besides blackbeard
These statement aren't referring to her devil fruit abilities
Its not hyperbole. Just because she didn't end up doing it doesn't mean its hyperbole nor does it mean she wasn't trying to hurt him.that it's hyperbole and that she didn't even try to after that statement... There's no way your going to literally ignore everything else for a statment that was not true and was a hyperbole...
She didn't use her devil fruit ability because she was trying to hurt him. Petrifying him would be painless.you have no answers to her not using her devil fruit ability and you have no answer to her not doing the thing she said she was going to do, stop...
I never said that she can't be as strong as she is stated to be because she has con haki, there's more nuance than that.Again... Just ignoring stuff to support your argument... How the f does having con haki now mean you can't be as strong as you are stated to be...
If it's referring to hax it would've said that. It specifically talks about her innate strength with her blood as a kuja warrior and having con haki both which are something that she was born with.
That absoulutely is how it works. Explain to me how Yamato would know how strong something she's never even been near is.Make a CRT if you believe they have to first see the thing to read their power level, because that's not how haki works or how it's shown at all.
We know nothing about what Sengoku considers strong, this could mean anything from a ranked officer to yonko level. This statement is a massive nothing burger.You've been ignoring these statements
What feat against Blackbeard? She got packed up in literal seconds.And her feat with blackbeard...
So you agree she didn’t end up doing it, even tho she said it…. So you can accept 1 random statement with no support and many anti feats but can’t accept explicit statements from both an outside official source and from characters… ain’t no wayIts not hyperbole. Just because she didn't end up doing it doesn't mean its hyperbole nor does it mean she wasn't trying to hurt him.
And she didn’t even attack him after saying thatShe didn't use her devil fruit ability because she was trying to hurt him. Petrifying him would be painless.
The statement literally says via her having the blood of Kuja and con haki, she is as strong as she is beautifulI never said that she can't be as strong as she is stated to be because she has con haki, there's more nuance than that.
Yes it refers to her innate strength overall, not just her physical strength. Like I said before, the Kuja are known for their haki, and haki and kuja blood are mentioned in the same breath... you figure that out.
No it’s not…That absoulutely is how it works. Explain to me how Yamato would know how strong something she's never even been near is.
Those statements aren’t from sengoku, it’s from an outside source… a fleet admiral considering her strong is definitely scalable and means a lotWe know nothing about what Sengoku considers strong, this could mean anything from a ranked officer to yonko level. This statement is a massive nothing burger.
No she didn’t… you do know if she wasn’t 5-C she would’ve instantly died right..?What feat against Blackbeard? She got packed up in literal seconds.
1. How many people have broken Smoker's jitte?
I was just saying that it's a higher feat than the suggested tieringVergo with haki, breaking it doesn’t really mean much for being a god tier but yee
It wasn’t Kurozou that nearly broke Ace’s neck. Blackbeard karate chopped him.2. How many people have survived Kurozou, which nearly broke Ace's neck?
Calling it hyperbole or saying she wasn’t trying to hurt him is blatantly contradicted by her kicking him.So you agree she didn’t end up doing it, even tho she said it…. So you can accept 1 random statement with no support and many anti feats but can’t accept explicit statements from both an outside official source and from characters… ain’t no way
If you read the thread you would know she fought him offscreen, also evidenced by him having bruises in areas we didn’t see Boa kick.And she didn’t even attack him after saying that
Literally contradicting that statement and proving it’s not meant to be taken literal
Gear 4 cannot be sensed from Luffy’s base form strength. Yamato had never been on the same island as Gear 4th before, and just being near or sensing Luffy doesn’t mean they can sense his transformation.No it’s not…
She just doesn’t have to, she can just sense Luffy’s power, the same way others can sense how strong their haki is
Explain why Sengoku considering someone strong makes them 5-C.Those statements aren’t from sengoku, it’s from an outside source… a fleet admiral considering her strong is definitely scalable and means a lot
He didn’t even hit her.No she didn’t… you do know if she wasn’t 5-C she would’ve instantly died right..?
Okay but he literally never attacked her. Kurozu is not an attacking move. Pre-Timeskip Luffy was fine after it until Blackbeard slammed him into the ground. Enduring Kurozu is not a good feat.Blackbeard and Koby both acknowledged her enduring his attack
I’m fine with scaling Boa above her suggested tiering, her being a god tier is what I have a big problem with.I was just saying that it's a higher feat than the suggested tiering
Kicking to push him away.Calling it hyperbole or saying she wasn’t trying to hurt him is blatantly contradicted by her kicking him.
No proof they fought offscreen.If you read the thread you would know she fought him offscreen, also evidenced by him having bruises in areas we didn’t see Boa kick.
So you're saying because people aren't using haki... They can't sense they're haki... Again that's not how that worksGear 4 cannot be sensed from Luffy’s base form strength. Yamato had never been on the same island as Gear 4th before, and just being near or sensing Luffy doesn’t mean they can sense his transformation.
An official statement saying she has so much strength that a fleet admiral considers her strong would mean she would at least be relative, otherwise she wouldn't be strong to a fleet admiralExplain why Sengoku considering someone strong makes them 5-C.
He did.He didn’t even hit her.
So her enduring his grip and attack (shown with her having a bandage on her forehead) isn't a good feat...? You literally can't say he didn't attack her when she has a bandage afterwards and was bleeding from his grip also...Okay but he literally never attacked her. Kurozu is not an attacking move. Pre-Timeskip Luffy was fine after it until Blackbeard slammed him into the ground. Enduring Kurozu is not a good feat.
Well official sources does not... So you having a problem with it doesn't matter unless you bring explicit counter proof of her not scaling to 5-CI’m fine with scaling Boa above her suggested tiering, her being a god tier is what I have a big problem with.
More statments of her being considered a god tierWell official sources does not
ワガママも冷酷さも魅力に変える、圧倒的強さと美しさを兼ね備えたカリスマ女帝
“強い者こそ美しい”とされる、女ヶ島「アマゾン・リリー」。強くたくましい女戦士たちを統べる皇帝は、最も強く、そして最も美しい人間でなければなりません。
この国の現皇帝であり、九蛇海賊団の船長としてトップに君臨するハンコックは、まさにそれにふさわしく、高い戦闘能力と世界一とうたわれる美貌を兼ね備えています。
A charismatic empress who combines overwhelming strength and beauty, turning selfishness and ruthlessness into charm
Amazon Lily, an island of women, is a place where "the strong are beautiful. The emperor who rules over the strong and sturdy female warriors must be the strongest and the most beautiful person in the world.
Hancock, the current emperor of this country and the reigning captain of the Nine Snake Pirates, is a perfect example of this, combining high fighting ability with the reputation as the most beautiful woman in the world.
Read the thread again istgKicking to push him away.
Actually answer the arguments I have presented instead of nu-uhs please.No proof they fought offscreen.
Gear 4 is more than just haki, Monkey.So you're saying because people aren't using haki... They can't sense they're haki... Again that's not how that works
No, that's not how that works. He didn't say "she's strong in comparison to me" he said "she's strong." Sengoku is the 1% of One Piece characters. You can be strong without having to scale to him, just like how you can be rich without being a billionaire.An official statement saying she has so much strength that a fleet admiral considers her strong would mean she would at least be relative, otherwise she wouldn't be strong to a fleet admiral
Based on?He did.
Not instantly dying from being grabbed (which is not an attacking move unless its setting up something else) is not a good feat. We see that entire exchange once he grabs her (anime proves nothing happened before that), and he does not hit her once. The source of the wound on her head is unclear.So her enduring his grip and attack (shown with her having a bandage on her forehead) isn't a good feat...?
Blackbeard wasn't even trying to fight Hancock either. He's negotiating with her here.Luffy's one isn't even comparable as he wasn't even trying to fight him and it was pre timeskip while having a completely different goal in mind.
They do.Well official sources does not... So you having a problem with it doesn't matter unless you bring explicit counter proof of her not scaling to 5-C
Stop only talking about sengoku and his manga statment, it's stated that she's has so much strength that even a fleet admiral considers her strongNo, that's not how that works. He didn't say "she's strong in comparison to me" he said "she's strong." Sengoku is the 1% of One Piece characters. You can be strong without having to scale to him, just like how you can be rich without being a billionaire.
... No answers.Read the thread again istg
How am I gonna answer something that's a complete assumption...?Actually answer the arguments I have presented instead of nu-uhs please.
read what I'm actually saying instead of nit picking my statmentsGear 4 is more than just haki, Monkey.
Having a bandage on her foreheadBased on?
When it's from a god tier trying to seriously hurt you... It is.Not instantly dying from being grabbed (which is not an attacking move unless its setting up something else) is not a good feat.
But the wound is still there from blackbeard... Which you've said did not hit her.We see that entire exchange once he grabs her (anime proves nothing happened before that), and he does not hit her once. The source of the wound on her head is unclear.
He was completely fine in trying to kill her right there and then... Again not comparable to pre timeskip luffy.Blackbeard wasn't even trying to fight Hancock either. He's negotiating with her here.
...They do.
Also unless this isn't sarcasticBoa > Shanks confirmed?
The Amazon Lily is an island of women where "the strong are beautiful". The emperor who rules over the strong and sturdy female warriors must be the strongest and the most beautiful person.
Hancock, the current emperor of this country and the reigning captain of the Nine Snake Pirates, is truly worthy of the title, combining high fighting ability with the reputation as the most beautiful woman in the world.
Its not and your going to have to give me a few days before I drop a mega post to explain why your arguments are so dumb.Because it's clearly confirmed that she's a god tier of the verse
Monkey this statement does not prove a thing. Why is her being worthy of her title proof she's 5-C? Because that only really means her reputation isn't all talk. And no it does not mean that "she's as strong as she is beautiful" is an accurate depiction of her strength.The Amazon Lily is an island of women where "the strong are beautiful". The emperor who rules over the strong and sturdy female warriors must be the strongest and the most beautiful person.
Hancock, the current emperor of this country and the reigning captain of the Nine Snake Pirates, is truly worthy of the title, combining high fighting ability with the reputation as the most beautiful woman in the world.
because her title means you must be the strongest and the most beautiful person...Monkey this statement does not prove a thing. Why is her being worthy of her title proof she's 5-C?
Boa>Shanks then?because her title means you must be the strongest and the most beautiful person...
... That's not how that works...Boa>Shanks then?
It's referring to women. Let's not ignore context for the sake of our arguments.Boa>Shanks then?
Attacking the oppositions argument is how you debate?It's pointless if your going to attack my argument instead of bringing actual evidence against her scaling to the god tiers/upper high tiers
Boa>Big Mom then?It's referring to women. Let's not ignore context for the sake of our arguments.
Is Big Mom a woman?Boa>Big Mom then?
Not true at all.. That's not what the title means, and being a pirate or kuja pirate has nothing to do with the title also...You're missing that this is refering exclusively to who can be the Pirate Empress/Captain of the Kuja (alla, Boa is the strongest Kuja pirate/most beautiful Kuja pirate) rather than all woman in the world.
Boa is not stronger than Big Mom.Is Big Mom a woman?
Not true at all.. That's not what the title means, and being a pirate or kuja pirate has nothing to do with the title also...
The Amazon Lily is an island of women where "the strong are beautiful". The emperor who rules over the strong and sturdy female warriors must be the strongest and the most beautiful person.
What is this based onBoa is not stronger than Big Mom.
Big Mom can stop Blackbeard and his entire crew pre-timeskip, where Boa isn't even in that conversation.
I assume they're referring to the statement the Five Elders made back in chapter 594, though I don't agree with their interpretation of it.What is this based on
Didn't they also say that Marco and the remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates could take out Blackbeard and his crew despite them blatantly losing during the Payback War?I assume they're referring to the statement the Five Elders made back in chapter 594, though I don't agree with their interpretation of it.
But that's what its referring to.It does not say; must be the strongest and the most beautiful person in the kuja tribe
Admittedly the Five Elders did say "... and maybe Marco the Phoenix with Whitebeard's crew."Didn't they also say that Marco and the remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates could take out Blackbeard and his crew despite them blatantly losing during the Payback War?
Also didn't Blackbeard admit that both him and his entire crew would've been wiped out if not for Koby acting like a distraction?
They also said that Big Mom could possibly beat Blackbeard and his crew.Admittedly the Five Elders did say "... and maybe Marco the Phoenix with Whitebeard's crew."
I know; I was just responding to the part you said about "Didn't they also say that Marco and the remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates could take out Blackbeard and his crew"They also said that Big Mom could possibly beat Blackbeard and his crew.
The Payback War was a year into the timeskip, so Blackbeard got stronger.Didn't they also say that Marco and the remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates could take out Blackbeard and his crew despite them blatantly losing during the Payback War?
Also didn't Blackbeard admit that both him and his entire crew would've been wiped out if not for Koby acting like a distraction?
Boa wasn't even in the conversation.They also said that Big Mom could possibly beat Blackbeard and his crew.
Neither were Mihawk or any of the Navy Admirals/Fleet Admiral.Boa wasn't even in the conversation.
the end isn't just referring to the kuja still... The Kanji refers to humans in general/world 人間But that's what its referring to.
The Amazon Lily is an island of women where "the strong are beautiful". The emperor who rules over the strong and sturdy female warriors must be the strongest and the most beautiful person.
The strong and sturdy female warriors in this context is refering to the Kuja, hence why it explains Amazon Lily's culture.
ワガママも冷酷さも魅力に変える、圧倒的強さと美しさを兼ね備えたカリスマ女帝
“強い者こそ美しい”とされる、女ヶ島「アマゾン・リリー」。強くたくましい女戦士たちを統べる皇帝は、最も強く、そして最も美しい人間でなければなりません。
この国の現皇帝であり、九蛇海賊団の船長としてトップに君臨するハンコックは、まさにそれにふさわしく、高い戦闘能力と世界一とうたわれる美貌を兼ね備えています。
A charismatic empress who combines overwhelming strength and beauty, turning selfishness and ruthlessness into charm
Amazon Lily, an island of women, is a place where "the strong are beautiful. The emperor who rules over the strong and sturdy female warriors must be the strongest and the most beautiful person in the world.
Hancock, the current emperor of this country and the reigning captain of the Nine Snake Pirates, is a perfect example of this, combining high fighting ability with the reputation as the most beautiful woman in the world.