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Dante continues his fight.

Sevil Natas said:
because its HDE? ultima is referring to what the range of affecting souls would be. but that does not mean any guy with interdimensional range would be able to affect souls. read my explaination here
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Kind weird tho, Ultima agreed with souls being HDE, but he just said that for them being affected then interdimensional range should be enough, he not referred to some type of special interdimensional range, just interdimensional as flat. And interdimensional range already cover those issues beyond the scope of that sh!ts and blah blah blah, you're just saying that without the concerning of ultima 🤷‍♂️
 
KnightOfSunlight said:
SNI isn't passive, firstly, he has to activate it. And secondly, the only time he's used SNI to see into his armory was once in Strange Fake, when he absolutely needed something. he's never once used it to do anything like seeing what's in his armory.

If SNI was passive, Herc wouldn't have surprised him in UBW. Furthermore, he outright ignores SNI half the time he does use it, so when he sees someone like Dante, a homeless looking 50 something in dirty clothes, he's not using SNI nor would he take it seriously if he did/it was passive.

But like I said, this is either a stomp or inconclusive.

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You are so very very wrong about SNI not being passive. In fact, in the LN, Herc didn't surprise him at all in UBW, that my friend is anime-only.

Gilgamesh lacks that weakness in full power key, cause he doesn't **** around at all. He's going to use what he needs to use to win and isn't anywhere near of an arrogant **** he is in first key.
 
KnightOfSunlight said:
SNI isn't passive, firstly, he has to activate it. And secondly, the only time he's used SNI to see into his armory was once in Strange Fake, when he absolutely needed something. he's never once used it to do anything like seeing what's in his armory.

If SNI was passive, Herc wouldn't have surprised him in UBW. Furthermore, he outright ignores SNI half the time he does use it, so when he sees someone like Dante, a homeless looking 50 something in dirty clothes, he's not using SNI nor would he take it seriously if he did/it was passive.

But like I said, this is either a stomp or inconclusive.

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SNI is always active, so what do you mean?
one thing to note is that he is not activating SNI but releasing a restricted SNI to achieve higher feats such as Cosmic Awareness and Retrocognition. For Precog, Info Analysis and Enhanced Senses are things he uses passively.

That is the nature he has in the UBW key, where he doesn't accept things that are told by SNI passively and chooses to obey his ego. if you look at Gil's profile it is a weakness that his UBW key has, while for his Original Power key there is none notable weakness, he would always obey SNI and don't underestimate the opponent.
 
TrueKingOfHeroes said:
SNI is always active, so what do you mean?
one thing to note is that he is not activating SNI but releasing a restricted SNI to achieve higher feats such as Cosmic Awareness and Retrocognition. For Precog, Info Analysis and Enhanced Senses are things he uses passively.

That is the nature he has in the UBW key, where he doesn't accept things that are told by SNI passively and chooses to obey his ego. if you look at Gil's profile it is a weakness that his UBW key has, while for his Original Power key there is none notable weakness, he would always obey SNI and don't underestimate the opponent.
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also Gilgamesh's first canonical demonstration of Enuma Elish at full power in CCC was against a random above average enemy BB spawned. and Gilgamesh used it just as a sign of fighting as an ally to Hakuno finally. if he was using that on a random enemy that wasn't even Tier 2, I have no idea why he wouldn't use a 1-A weapon to get rid of wonky and obnoxious 9-D range soul stuff from a character that would likely annoy Gilgamesh to death in regards to personality.
 
Dereck03 said:
Kind weird tho, Ultima agreed with souls being HDE, but he just said that for them being affected then interdimensional range should be enough, he not referred to some type of special interdimensional range, just interdimensional as flat. And interdimensional range already cover those issues beyond the scope of that sh!ts and blah blah blah, you're just saying that without the concerning of ultima 🤷‍♂️
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Higher-Dimensional Existence

A given object or entity is referred to as being higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions. Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of...
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Pseudo-Invulnerability: Due to the additional axis spatially inherent to them, higher-dimensional objects are comprised of more information than what can normally be described in lower-dimensional spaces, and thus may only be capable of interacting with them through lower-dimensional "slices" or cross-sections of their bodies.
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Large Size: Due to the additional angles possessed by them, higher-dimensional objects and beings would be much larger than lower ones.
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Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...
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Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely larger than lower-dimensional equivalents?​

In a way, yes, though not how most would think when using this word. Basically, an arbitrary object of dimension n is essentially comprised by the total sum of uncountably infinite objects of one dimension less, which may be described as lower-dimensional "slices", each corresponding to one of the infinite points of a line. For instance, a square is made of infinitely many line segments (Lined up on the y-axis), a cube of infinitely many squares (Lined up on the z-axis), and so on.

One may think of it as a multiplication between sets: For instance, the unit square [0,1]² may be expressed as the product of two unit intervals [0,1] x [0,1], which itself can be visualized as taking "copies" of the first interval and lining them up along each point of the second interval, of which there are uncountably infinitely-many, thus forming a square out of infinite line segments.
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Do note, however, that them not qualifying for Tier 2 and above doesn't mean they are "fake" higher-dimensional beings or anything of the sort. It is simply that being higher-dimensional does not inherently mean they have infinite power in the first place, as explained above.
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You know what **** interdimensional range. You don't need interdimensional range, you don't need universal range, you don't even need galactic or planetary range.
If you have proper NPI you can go touch souls in DMC point blank with your hands.

That's not the issue, interactivity is not a problem. Problem is your hax needs to spread throughout all dimensional axis to affect them. Thats a different kind of range... that is 1C/9D. If you don't then you are only affecting infinitesimal cross sections of HDE.

I have explained this countless times on CRTs.
 
Idk, Dante's grind can't reach tier 1 yet so, probably?

From a quick looks he has some stuff that Dante might be able to work with like sealing and deconstruction. Dante's resistance to precog/cosmic awareness and all that stuff looks better than SBA-kun so I'd say he has no way of knowing what could work with Dante.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Idk, Dante's grind can't reach tier 1 yet so, probably?

From a quick looks he has some stuff that Dante might be able to work with like sealing and deconstruction. Dante's resistance to precog/cosmic awareness and all that stuff looks better than SBA-kun so I'd say he has no way of knowing what could work with Dante.
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SNI doesn't have to analyze everything about Dante, it just has to guide Gilgamesh to do the right things like throw his 1-A smurf weapon.

Also through the scaling chain of Authority resistance that Gilgamesh is in layer 20 or so, considering that authority resistance can resist things like Cosmic Awareness, Information Analysis, precognition etc. therefore, Gilgamesh can bypass those resistances via Authority scaling.

Gil also has passive subjective reality, power null and resistance negation that can makes "things that weren't" and remove the opponent's hax resistance.
 
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I know that they changed to Gilgamesh tier 6 so no ten crowns but this what gilgamesh would do to dante if they didnt change it

 
Gilgamesh doesn't have layers resistances at all. In fact most of his resistances are kinda shit without armor.
 
Soul, mind, fear, concept, info, deconstruction, BFR/sealing, time manip, the PoC book, tons of resistances and some stupid levels of ultra instinct.

Change it to 6C Dante.
 
6-C Dante still has a lot of stuff to **** with Gil, as well as 4-D resistances and 9-D soul HDE still

only wincons I could see for Gil is if he uses his insane precog through GoB artifacts to overcome Dante's instinctive reactions (which are also insane), or if Gil goes in super serious with Enuma Elish
 
All right seems like Dante resists all of Gil's arsenal that matters and proceeds to just best him over the head with High-Godly regen whenever Ea comes out. Still stomp.
 
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