Distance between Suna and Konoha using the 3 days statement

[M3X_2.0]

So, during the first arcs of Part II, Kakashi states they would take 3 days to arrive Suna, in another country. This is a consistent statement, as a train spent a whole day to arrive near Suna, not in Suna but near the village. And the train was in constant movement. And the statement was not forgot, the recent Boruto episode states this as well.

So, we all know the statement is good, but what about the speed used to calc the distance? That's what we are going to discuss here

 

[Omimi]

use Superhuman speed or Subsonic ?

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Superhuman speed at least should be fair. If not, Peak human is lowest.

 

[Damage3245]

Well, typically for calcs like these (such as the recent Seireitei and Las Noches calcs which are found with a similar method) we use average Human walking speed (and taking into account time for rest).

 

[M3X_2.0]

Some ninjas can go at FTE speeds while rushing, but I agree with superhuman

 

[M3X_2.0]

Why using walking speed while they jump trees?

 

[M3X_2.0]

6 hours of rest for seems good, they needed to rush to the village to save Gaara and such things. Well, they are ninjas, they can fight hours and even days without rest.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I wouldn't use a characters speed to calc distance, but the train's speed to calc distance seems reasonable.

 

[Xulrev]

DDM makes sense I think; characters have disparities within their physicals as is readily apparent, and too many presumptions would need to be made.

Given time for the train's travel and model of the train, should be a simple enough and straightforward enough calc.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Hm, I need to check the exact timeframe for the train then

 

[TheFinalOrder]

I can't agree with Walking speed here, not when we have on panel proof of running and Jumping at FTE movement speed.

Three Days at FTE speeds is a fair Low-Ball inmho. Naruto and co in BoShippuden made the trip in 58hrs rushing at at least FTE speeds.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Ok, the train left the village in the morning, and it arrived in a frontier at night, and then, morning of the next day, it arrived in a local near where Sasuke was, wich is near Suna. So, it is too vague, we don't have a spcific timeframe, we can only assume a timeframe based with what I said.

• We don't know the timeframe
• We don't know the speed of the train
• The train didnt arrived Suna, but a near place.

While using the statements

• We have the timeframe
• The panel show us the speed they were going (FTE speeds)
• It is literally stated Konoha to Suna two times

Honestly, this train stuff should be support for the distance

 

[Damage3245]

We have a panel of them going seemingly going FTE once; that isn't proof that they maintained that speed constantly over the entire journey.

Trying to estimate the distance by assuming constant FTE travel speed would lead to a heavily inflated size.

 

[M3X_2.0]

FTE or not, still not walking speed, they were not walking, they were rushing towards the village to save Kakuro/Gaara. And we can clearly see they jumping between trees. Superhuman speed seems legit

 

[AstralKing7]

I agree with using the train for distance. 3day statement is used consistently.

A matter of fact...Kakashi himself has a a movement speed calc. Since Kakashi was part of the group jsut use him.

 

[Damage3245]

> A matter of fact...Kakashi himself has a a movement speed calc. Since Kakashi was part of the group jsut use him.

That would be calc stacking.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Trains that are meant to travel from country to country generally range from around 120 to 200 MPH.

 

[M3X_2.0]

What about this? I don't think the train can be used because we need to assume timeframe, speed and the train didnt arrive Suna, but the wind country

 

[AstralKing7]

The actual train did. Boruot got left by it. The train station was in suna because boruot took the same route the tracks did where he meet Gaara and Sasuke. The train he missed was originally gonna arrive there. Boruot spent two nights before he made it to Gaara and Sasuke's location. One on the original train and another when he fainted from running the whole day.

So actually just going to the wind country and to the leaf village takes 3 days.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

We have a panel of them going seemingly going FTE once; that isn't proof that they maintained that speed constantly over the entire journey.
Trying to estimate the distance by assuming constant FTE travel speed would lead to a heavily inflated size.

Disagree with this. Nothing in the verse says they'd not be able to. Even Shunshin itself doesn't pose a limit other than chakra:

Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary

Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al

A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!

Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported… In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.

The cloud of sand dances in the wind…

Haku's and Kakashi's Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist.

There are many variations of the Body Flicker for the various villages and user. Gaara's use includes the Sand Body Flicker. There are also the Mist Body Flicker, Water Body Flicker, and Leaf Body Flicker, among many others.

Characters in verse that aren't particularly noteworthy in most cases have even demonstrated being able to travel greater distances in minutes via shunshin such as Juugo and Karin.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

In fact, the notion that non-noteworthy Ninja like Juugo and Karin could cross vast distances with a constant use of shunshin debunks the notion that they didn't or couldn't maintain speed.

 

[Damage3245]

@TFO; nothing about that suggests they can keep it up for hours.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Trains that are meant to travel from country to country generally range from around 120 to 200 MPH.

This is understandable but it's already been established in verse that at least FTE travel speeds takes Several days to make that journey.

Using the train is an unnecessary and massive lowball and less accurate than using FTE speed.

Edit: And in addition to this, the train itself is travelling at FTE movement speed as it can outpace Characters that are able to move at such speeds.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Should we really use modern train speed for the distance calc? Like what does it run on in the show?

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@TFO; nothing about that suggests they can keep it up for hours.

That's an arbitrary assertion and the travel itself disproves that. In addition, these same characters fought a war for at 3 days straight with little to no rest before completely tapping out of chakra and that's with fighting and using high level jutsu.

Shunshin is a D-Rank Jutsu, which is low impact of them. There is no evidence in verse to suggest that they couldn't. All evidence, no matter how small points in the other direction.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

The trains are FTE? This is it correct, not sure if these count or don't count as modern trains.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

The trains are FTE?
This is it correct, not sure if these count or don't count as modern trains.

They outpace New Era Genin who're at least that.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Those don't look very modern they actually look like trains from the early 2000s.

 

[The_Causality]

Well, two way:

• Use the average speed of trains
• Use a speed that is above Genin travel speed (due to not being able to match the speed of a trains)

pick one.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Average speed of trains or using the one messenger hawk statement from the novel is the best choice in my view. Scaling the distance to ninjas with schizophrenic travel speed just will lead the massively inflated results in my view.

 

[MostPowerfull]

...

 

[AstralKing7]

Messenger hawk is inconsistent asf

 

[M3X_2.0]

I still think using the 3 days statementsis the best option

 

[The_Causality]

Soo from what i see, there is now three suggestion:

• Use trains
• Use the Hawk statement
• Use the three day statement

So now people just need to choose (not vote) the most consistent (with reasoning at least), no need more out of context discussion (and the thread will end faster).

 

[AstralKing7]

Also what do u guys consider modern trains?? Why don't we actually see the speeds of trains that travel to other countries like DDM suggested

 

[M3X_2.0]

I vote the 3 days statement

 

[M3X_2.0]

Can we please select a method, and after then, discuss about the train (if the method gets accepted)?

 

[AstralKing7]

The 3 day statement is obviously the most consistent. Boruto took a train and still didn't make it to suna and he left at the beginning of morning and slept on the train. Next he fainted from running full speed and slept a whole day.

 

[Damage3245]

@AstralKing7; pretty sure Boruto fainted just from walking through the desert. Which is funny, if he could casually travel FTE I'm not sure why he was walking so slowly.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

The 3 day statement is the most consistent and continously stated throught the Franchise.