Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work

[It_is_i_wyatt]

you can catch a baby pokemon that can learn solar beam and then not do anything to it except give it solar beam, pokemon dont instantly go from normal wild stats to (insert trainer pokemon tier here) the second you catch them, you need to actual train them

 

[omegabronic]

the tm IS the training

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

TMs do not increase stats, it doesnt give the pokemon the move + some experience or anything, it just gives them the move, they are no faster than they were before

 

[LordTracer]

you can catch a baby pokemon that can learn solar beam and then not do anything to it except give it solar beam, pokemon dont instantly go from normal wild stats to (insert trainer pokemon tier here) the second you catch them, you need to actual train them

The profiles are wild Pokémon. Wild Pokémon can’t use TMs. These are the standards, and if you want to change them, you’ll have to make a CRT. Stop bringing it up here, it’s derailing at this point.

 

[CloverDragon03]

TMs do not increase stats, it doesnt give the pokemon the move + some experience or anything, it just gives them the move, they are no faster than they were before

Teaching TMs is training. Therefore, it doesn’t qualify. That’s all

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

The profiles are wild Pokémon. Wild Pokémon can’t use TMs. These are the standards, and if you want to change them, you’ll have to make a CRT. Stop bringing it up here, it’s derailing at this point.

ive already addressed this, i dont care about the move itself getting on the profiles, this is just about speed scaling

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Multiple first stages learn solar beam by level up

And we recently found that baby pokemon may simply scale to first stages anyway, because of Elekid and Togedemaru

So shouldn't that cover it?

 

[omegabronic]

speaking of solar beam, bulbassaur can learn it via level up, so i guess first stages should be ftl/relativistc+?

edit:forget about it someone beat me to it

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

speaking of solar beam, bulbassaur can learn it via level up, so i guess first stages should be ftl/relativistc+?

ninja'd

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

speaking of solar beam, bulbassaur can learn it via level up, so i guess first stages should be ftl/relativistc+?

yeah, is there any way to get it calced for a specific number?

 

[omegabronic]

ninja'd

you did it first on my end, how weird lol

 

[omegabronic]

yeah, is there any way to get it calced for a specific number?

not really? just a relativistc+ rating, or ftl idk, since the games don't show how they dodge

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

maybe we could measure the distance between the two pokemon in the in-game battles?

 

[CloverDragon03]

There’s already the Golem calc

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

is there anything about it specific to golem or can it be used as a general "pokemon dodge light speed attacks" calc

 

[CloverDragon03]

is there anything about it specific to golem or can it be used as a general "pokemon dodge light speed attacks" calc

Golem has no entries regarding its speed aside from when it detonates itself, which it isn't doing here

 

[Sniper670]

Btw I want to start making profiles for Mystery Dungeon Pokémon. Is it allowed?

Uhh, bump?

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

Uhh, bump?

i dont see why not, but it might be better to wait for all this to get figured out so they dont get immediately changed or anything

 

[Sniper670]

i dont see why not, but it might be better to wait for all this to get figured out so they dont get immediately changed or anything

Alright. I'm almost done with the starter mon profiles. Just input the accepted game calcs for stats

I'll try working on others for now

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

are we scaling mystery dungeons to normal game stuff, i forgor

 

[omegabronic]

There’s already the Golem calc

the golem calc would scale only to final evos tho

 

[omegabronic]

are we scaling mystery dungeons to normal game stuff, i forgor

everything that it is not main games and things directly connected to it is separated

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

the golem calc would scale only to final evos tho

why is the calc specifically of golem, could it have been any other pokemon in go or it this specific to golem somehow

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

are we scaling mystery dungeons to normal game stuff, i forgor

The Pokedex is consistent across the franchise, so any Pokedex feat scale to MD

 

[CloverDragon03]

why is the calc specifically of golem, could it have been any other pokemon in go or it this specific to golem somehow

I don't know why, it just was

 

[Sniper670]

are we scaling mystery dungeons to normal game stuff, i forgor

From reading the blog, only games directly connected to main series will share calcs with it.

I'll have to make new calcs for the mystery dungeon series. I can't see even one calc for it on the wiki

 

[Sniper670]

The Pokedex is consistent across the franchise, so any Pokedex feat scale to MD

MD doesn't have pokedex entries do they?

They didn't have one when I played GTI

 

[Sniper670]

I think we should add it because the dex has and will always be consistent accross all media, whether they're there or not, it applies

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

MD doesn't have pokedex entries do they?

They didn't have one when I played GTI

The pokemon reference their own Pokedex entries when talked to

As an example, Steelix mentions how his body is as hard as diamond (just like the pokedex mentions).

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The pokemon reference their own Pokedex entries when talked to

As an example, Steelix mentions how his body is as hard as diamond (just like the pokedex mentions).

It startles foes by clamping on their faces, then jabs with its poison stinger.
~Pokémon Platinum

I startle my foes, then jab them with my Poison Stinger!
~Gligar

As another example of this being the case.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

yeah thats super direct, its probably ok to scale MD to pokedex feats, what does everyone else think

 

[Sniper670]

The pokemon reference their own Pokedex entries when talked to

As an example, Steelix mentions how his body is as hard as diamond (just like the pokedex mentions).

Oh, then that's fine.

 

[Sniper670]

The pokemon reference their own Pokedex entries when talked to

As an example, Steelix mentions how his body is as hard as diamond (just like the pokedex mentions).

Oh, then that's fine.

 

[y3p_owo]

why is the calc specifically of golem, could it have been any other pokemon in go or it this specific to golem somehow

Because Golem is basically a circle, thus was easier to use for the cacler.

 

[y3p_owo]

yeah thats super direct, its probably ok to scale MD to pokedex feats, what does everyone else think

I'm down for that.

 

[Sniper670]

Clover sent all calcs for the stats we'd be using for games

Which means profiles for normals mons can be edited with the new info right?

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

Because Golem is basically a circle, thus was easier to use for the cacler.

lol, so can any pokemon in go do the same thing

 

[CloverDragon03]

Baby Pokemon are a bit of an oddball though. I heard of there being an 8-A+ Cleffa durability calc, but no one ever linked it. In addition, some Pokemon scale differently from others (though the whole "base -> first stage -> second stage" thing generally applies), like Elekid evenly fighting Togedemaru and Cranidos combating Aerodactyl. Not sure what to do here

 

[CloverDragon03]

lol, so can any pokemon in go do the same thing

Yeah, anyone can jump as a Solar Beam comes at them

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

is there a point to doing more calcs for other pokemon jumping away from solar beam or should we just use the golem one